Vancouver's 3 new free agents

[GreyHatnDart]

On 2018-09-08 at 3:58 PM, mikeyman109 said:

I am advocating we have players that make sure the other teams know we will react when you do stupid things like Marchand did in the cup final.We need to stand up for our team and the players need to stand up for each other.

 

Perfectly put. What does the cash paid matter. Or the term when they are movable players. The only caluse was a limited no trade. No trading them to Edmonton example.

So in one thread you’re advocating and on board with the FA signings and then in a different thread you see them as taking jobs from youngsters... which side of the fence are you on?

[mikeyman109]

1 minute ago, GreyHatnDart said:

So in one thread you’re advocating and on board with the FA signings and then in a different thread you see them as taking jobs from youngsters... which side of the fence are you on?

I am totally on boards with these signings. what i was arguing is that they are movable if need be. I don't see that need this year but if we decide three years from now we have younger players ready to take their jobs away I am not afraid of us being able to trade them.

I dont think i have said anywhere i didn't like the signings. Part of the reason I like the signings is that they are tradeable and thats a gooid thing.

[BlastPast]

One thing that doesn't get mentioned when talking about with the Beagle (and Eriksson) deal is that they are front loaded so that could make them more attractive later on in a trade.  As of July 2 2019 Beagle will have received 6.4 of 12 million owed in total.

[Gaudette Celly]

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“I’m not going to let some young guy come in and take my job,” Virtanen said. “I’m going to do whatever it takes to stay here. Look at a guy like Beegs (teammate Jay Beagle) who just won a Stanley Cup and was crushing it today. You want to be a guy like that.”

Something something veteran experience something something shelter something something professional something something example leadership... something or other.

[aGENT]

6 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Something something veteran experience something something shelter something something professional something something example leadership... something or other.

Culture. So overrated. 

 

 

[thrago]

On ‎2018‎-‎09‎-‎08 at 6:51 PM, Kanuck_Krazy said:

I don't think anyone had any problem with the players brought in.  It was their contract.  The terms were awful.  No-one else would have paid them that much for that long.  (Roussel/Beagle)  Schaller is okay.

Well if you're at the bottom of the league and you sign free agents it usually because you paid the most to get them.

[189lb enforcers?]

17 hours ago, thrago said:

Well if you're at the bottom of the league and you sign free agents it usually because you paid the most to get them.

Similarly attained services are known as prostitution. 

These guys came for the money, not the culture or the job. 

 

[oldnews]

48 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Similarly attained services are known as prostitution. 

These guys came for the money, not the culture or the job. 

 

[WeneedLumme]

22 hours ago, thrago said:

Well if you're at the bottom of the league and you sign free agents it usually because you paid the most to get them.

 

4 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Similarly attained services are known as prostitution. 

These guys came for the money, not the culture or the job. 

 

Some people would call that commerce, or maybe a free market, not prostitution. But of course you have the right to put things into terms that you can relate to.

[hockeygod77]

I have been posting this need for a while but you culls keep saying you dont need that toughness..thats exactly what the canucks need ..hard to find hard nose guys with skill...they will enjoy the west coast right and tough weather along with fans that appreciate this kind of hockey.

[Gaudette Celly]

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"These guys (Pettersson and Boeser) are not insulated, they're not being protected... being surrounded by a whole lot of really good veteran players.  That would be my concern, is that the expectations are high and there is not a whole hell of a lot of established support to do the heavy lifting."

- Bob McKenzie

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040/mckenzie-boeser-s-got-one-of-best-shots-in-the-nhl-the-key-is-to-stay-healthy-1.1175185

What the?!  Has he not even been paying attention to what's happened since July 1st, and all the angst for the opposite reasons?  Twilight Zone stuff.

[aqua59]

So training camp is wrapping up and how many so called "young guys" are left fighting for a job? 

 

I think the shortcoming of many fans, including myself, is having all the young players making the team when in fact they're just not ready. Is there tallent? You bet.

Are they ready? Not yet. 

As witnessed in the preseason everyone is at different places in their development.  Many weren't ready and need growth in the minors.

 

So far watching our pre season it seems fair to say Vancouver has been shown up by better teams. 

 

Now Antoine Roussel  is out for who knows how long? If any one has watched this guy's clips it's evident he brings game and lots of energy to the team.The guy hasn't played and none of the young players have stepped up with the same kind of game Roussel brings. Roussel brings something management knew they didn't have.  

 

I've only really noticed Jay Beagle a big  guy with speed and wins faceoffs.

 

Tim Schaller I've only seen snippets of thus far so I have no clue how he's performed. Yet if Schaller was a disaster the Vancouver media would be all over it by now, so I assume he's ok.

 

I think in the end there's not all that many young guys ready today. I do expect to see more young players being called up. No more Chaput.

 

These three FAs signings don't seem like such a bad idea now. 

 

 

[coastal.view]

On 9/14/2018 at 4:30 PM, Hutton Wink said:

Something something veteran experience something something shelter something something professional something something example leadership... something or other.

um yeah

exactly

but now that preseason is pretty much done

and we have these 3 new players here to create a safer working environment

for our young talent

and yet almost no new young talent is going to make the team aside from elias

were these 3 players signed to give him a better working environment

 

i was quite supportive of these signings

but expected a bit more young talent on the team

it is looking now like 1 player will be added

now i'm less sure about these 3 signings

seems like they will be required more around the tdl

or next season

 

clearly dorsett needed to be replaced

but more was being sold to fans with these signings

 

beginning to scratch my head a bit about this "plan"

[CanucksJay]

54 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

um yeah

exactly

but now that preseason is pretty much done

and we have these 3 new players here to create a safer working environment

for our young talent

and yet almost no new young talent is going to make the team aside from elias

were these 3 players signed to give him a better working environment

 

i was quite supportive of these signings

but expected a bit more young talent on the team

it is looking now like 1 player will be added

now i'm less sure about these 3 signings

seems like they will be required more around the tdl

or next season

 

clearly dorsett needed to be replaced

but more was being sold to fans with these signings

 

beginning to scratch my head a bit about this "plan"

Good thing we can insulate our youth with veteran leadership so that we can develop them in a winning environment unlike those perennial losers in Edmonton. Man as a die hard, i was pretty choked to see the expression on their faces when the camera panned the bench in the 3rd. Just blank defeated looks

[aqua59]

On 9/25/2018 at 8:24 PM, coastal.view said:

um yeah

exactly

but now that preseason is pretty much done

and we have these 3 new players here to create a safer working environment

for our young talent

and yet almost no new young talent is going to make the team aside from elias

were these 3 players signed to give him a better working environment

 

i was quite supportive of these signings

but expected a bit more young talent on the team

it is looking now like 1 player will be added

now i'm less sure about these 3 signings

seems like they will be required more around the tdl

or next season

 

clearly dorsett needed to be replaced

but more was being sold to fans with these signings

 

beginning to scratch my head a bit about this "plan"

Thank God they did sign these fellows, because at present no one is as good as they are or bring the much needed starch. They simply don't have any one ready. 

 

Guys like Pratt have been trumpeting playing the young players really have no clue. 

 

Linden didn't want to rush the young guys? There aren't any ready. That makes me wonder what else was going on. 

 

What's your take on that spin off?

 

I have shared in your head scratching bewilderment with this club many times since they joined the NHL. 

[Baggins]

On 9/25/2018 at 8:24 PM, coastal.view said:

um yeah

exactly

but now that preseason is pretty much done

and we have these 3 new players here to create a safer working environment

for our young talent

and yet almost no new young talent is going to make the team aside from elias

were these 3 players signed to give him a better working environment

 

i was quite supportive of these signings

but expected a bit more young talent on the team

it is looking now like 1 player will be added

now i'm less sure about these 3 signings

seems like they will be required more around the tdl

or next season

 

clearly dorsett needed to be replaced

but more was being sold to fans with these signings

 

beginning to scratch my head a bit about this "plan"

Pretty much any of them looked 'capable' of playing in the NHL. But are they actually ready to succeed? From what I saw Pettersson was the only one to truly stand out. The rest are better off logging bigger minutes in bigger roles in Utica than playing low minutes needing to be sheltered here. It's the very reason ownership bought our own AHL team. This is where that investment will pay off. You earn your spot by making yourself the best option, not by just be young. There's a reason the three ufa's were given multi-year deals. The youth will need time.

[aqua59]

On 9/28/2018 at 2:30 AM, Baggins said:

Pretty much any of them looked 'capable' of playing in the NHL. But are they actually ready to succeed? From what I saw Pettersson was the only one to truly stand out. The rest are better off logging bigger minutes in bigger roles in Utica than playing low minutes needing to be sheltered here. It's the very reason ownership bought our own AHL team. This is where that investment will pay off. You earn your spot by making yourself the best option, not by just be young. There's a reason the three ufa's were given multi-year deals. The youth will need time.

Agreed. I think last nights game in Kelowna is pretty much what we get. 

There's a certain fan and media base that trumpets the youth. they are simply not ready and the youth close to ready like Goldobin are still questionable moving forward. 

Idiots like Pratt just take the opposite view of things and stir the "play the youth pot' when the youth is nowhere ready. 

I believe it's going to be a very long season and the only thing we need to drop is high expectations. 

The 3 new free agents, one whom is yet to play may steady the ship at best. They did come from better teams with better linemates so I believe their production may not be as high here with so called lesser linemates.

Long season ahead.

[Gaudette Celly]

On 9/25/2018 at 8:24 PM, coastal.view said:

we have these 3 new players here to create a safer working environment

for our young talent

and yet almost no new young talent is going to make the team aside from elias

were these 3 players signed to give him a better working environment

This is exactly why I debunked the assertion that all the prospects were going to end up in Utica and elsewhere.  It makes no sense to bring in vets for leadership, protection, and sheltering of the youth when none are on the roster.  The argument could be made that they provide that part of the Sedins' leaving, but then again the Sedins themselves needed sheltering to some degree as their careers wound down.  All that being said, it's highly unlikely we don't see any of the kids back up this year -- Gaudette, Juolevi, and probably Dahlen (depending how they do) should all see time with the Canucks this year, especially after the TDL should we not be in the playoff hunt and dispose of a few vet assets.  In the meantime, Elias is a rookie, Leipsic and Motte have yet to play the equivalent of a full season in the NHL, Brock is in his second year, and Jake his third.  The two primary heavy-lifters are here for up to 4 years, and we'll certainly see a lot of turnover in that time.