nuckfanfromafrica Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Canucks key to success this season is to roll four lines each featuring a key player with complimentary pieces to ensure optimal success. I've always believed in playing to a players strength and complementing them with players that excel at their weakness. Each line features a heart & soul energy player to keep the intensity level high on every shift. No designated 1st - 4th line except on any given night most productive line earns the most ice time (driving internal competition). Line D gets the most defensive starts. LINE A (Elias Line): Antoine Roussel(Energy guy) - Elia Pettersson - Nikolay Goldobin Featured key player/driver is Elia Pettersson. Kid has exceptional creativity and puck skills to drive play along with elite release. He is equally adapt at setting up line mates and finding open spot to receive and release a wicked wrister. He currently lacks the strength, size and aggressiveness to battle behind the net, along the boards, hit and battle in the crease for in close goals. Cue complementary pieces Antoine Roussel (LW) & Nikolay Goldobin. Antoine Roussel is a blue collar tireless skater that battles, hits, drives the net thus opening up space for skilled players to create. With Goldobin the line has another play making winger that can set up Pettersson for one timers along with finding open space to release a wrister when opposing defenders key in on Pettersson Key weakness of the line is in face offs. A solution is to have Jay Beagle & Sutter (depending on side of face off cycle) draw in for key faceoffs and replaced by Goldobin thereafter. (AV employed this strategy often when he was coaching in Vancouver) LINE B (Bo's Line): Sven Baertschi - Bo Hovart - Tyler Motte(Energy guy) Bo Hovart's key strength is his ability to bull himself to the net. He has a tendency to try to beat defender with his inside - outside move and when successful is effective. However he lacks the true playmaking center ability to make players around him better. Effective wingers for Him are ones that do not need the puck but have effective puck skills to push play and set up line mates. Baertschi provides the winger playmaking ability that Bo requires and appears to read off Bo quite well. Tyler Motte provides hustle, determination and relentless battle.(similar to the role that he played in Chicago on a line with Toews & Hansen/Burrows like role in Vancouver). LINE C (Boeser Line): Jake Virtanen(Energy guy) - Markus Granlund - Brock Boeser Boeser is a pure shooter and requires a good set up man. Boeser and Bo are not an optimal mix as Bo likes the puck too often and is a shoot first Center. Next to Pattersson, Granlund is the next best playmaking centerman on the team. Virtanen provides the bull drive to the net from the left flank. Virtanen (plain & simple) is most effective and dominant flying from the left wing as it allows him to use his size, lean on defenders while driving the net. It also gives the line a second hard right shoot off wing.On this Line he serves a similar role to that of Roussel on line A. Acknowlege that Pettersson can center Boeser. However having Boeser as a corner piece on a different line spreads out the offense allowing for tougher match ups for opposing team. When required the team can load up a line featuring Pettersson - Hovart - Boeser. LINE D: (Beagle & Sutter Line): Tim Schaller(Energy guy) - Jay Beagle - Brandon Sutter Beagle & Sutter provide the essential heavy lifting and shout down elements thus drawing key match up role. EXTRA FORWARD: Leipsic Waived (minor) or IR: Louis Erksson & Sam Gagner & Gaunce & Alex Biega & Jalen Chatfield, PAIR A: Alex Edler - Erik Gudbranson Physical pairing that keeps the opposing teams forwards honest along with the net clearing element. Acknowledge lack of puck carrier. This is negated or limited by paring them with LINE A that features a puck carrier in Elias and playmaking wing in Goldobin. Two hard shots from the point in Gudbranson (underrated shot) & Edler (can stand to hit the net more) PAIR B: Olli Juolevi - Chris Tanev Effective defender Tanev paired with an up & coming rookie that can carry the poke. Paired primary with LINE C given Boeser another playmaker on D in Juolevi PAIR C: Ben Hutton - Michael Del Zotto Paired Primarily with LINE B RESERVE PAIR: Derrick Pouliot - Troy Stecher POWER PLAY UNIT 1 Hovart(net driver) Boeser(shooter) Pettersson(shooter & QB) Grandlund(shooter & Passer) Juolevi(sHOOTER & QB) Features 3 shooters. Boeser on the left cycle (moving up to the left D zone). Grandlund in the middle serving as a set up man for Pettersson & Boeser & middle man shooter option for Pettersson. Pettersson as the Right side QB and shooter off the right cycle. Set up man for Hovart from down low, Grandlund & cross crease feed to Boeser. Hovart serves as the down low, poke in tight man, rebound cleaner, set up man for Grandlund, Boeser. Juolevi D man QB set up man for Pettersson & Boeser (think World juniors Finn teaM featuring Laine & Pulljave) and wristers from the point. POWER PLAY UNIT 2 Virtanen Nikolay Goldobin Baertschi Ben Hutton Michael Del Zotto PK UNIT 1 Brandon Sutter - Tyler Motte Alex Edler - Erik Gudbranson PK UNIT 2 Jay Beagle - Tim Schaller Del Zotto - Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 You should insulate your good players with good players, not spread the talent to each line, that makes it really easy to shut down all 4 lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckfanfromafrica Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said: You should insulate your good players with good players, not spread the talent to each line, that makes it really easy to shut down all 4 lines. Not really. spreading talent on each line allows you to roll 4 lines more effectively (less fatigue). To make it into the NHL you have to be a good player. Its about balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BRR Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said: You should insulate your good players with good players, not spread the talent to each line, that makes it really easy to shut down all 4 lines. I agree, your proposed lines, while more 'balanced' are not likely to be very productive. I'd rather put speed/energy players together and talented players together. WD tried this experiment with Megna remember lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Just now, nuckfanfromafrica said: Not really. spreading talent on each line allows you to roll 4 lines more effectively (less fatigue). To make it into the NHL you have to be a good player. Its about balance Really really. I still play hockey, and I'm telling you that that is wrong. Putting Boeser on the 3rd line with a couple of grinders is going to hurt his production... Putting Boeser with a guy like Horvat or Petterson is going to help BOTH of their production more than putting Petterson with Roussel is going to make Roussel a 25 goal scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BRR Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 D lineups are realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Also, I must know... How has Motte, or Granlund out played Liepsic, the kid has been flying this off season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckfanfromafrica Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Also, I must know... How has Motte, or Granlund out played Liepsic, the kid has been flying this off season! Motte has been the better player this off season on both sides of the ice "flying this off season". Grandlund adds the luxury of a player that plays all 3 positions, PP & PK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckfanfromafrica Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, Dr.BRR said: I agree, your proposed lines, while more 'balanced' are not likely to be very productive. I'd rather put speed/energy players together and talented players together. WD tried this experiment with Megna remember lol same was said of Burrows when he was first added to the Sedin line. For every Megna there is also the Burrows. He is just a grinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckfanfromafrica Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Really really. I still play hockey, and I'm telling you that that is wrong. Putting Boeser on the 3rd line with a couple of grinders is going to hurt his production... Putting Boeser with a guy like Horvat or Petterson is going to help BOTH of their production more than putting Petterson with Roussel is going to make Roussel a 25 goal scorer. a kitchen consists of a head chef and others (not all head chefs). FYI Roussel's role on the line is not to score 25b goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcheeze86 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 So far goldy has had the best chemistry with EP and hope to see them together on a line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 In theory it's a good idea but in reality this does not work, you do not deploy you best player with players who will stifle his production. That would be like putting ovechkin with beagle and expecting the same production. Ovechkin needs Backstrom or kuz, boeser needs Horvat or Pettersson. Bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGuardian_ Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Also, I must know... How has Motte, or Granlund out played Liepsic, the kid has been flying this off season! They are playing a more disciplined game than him, he is running around all over the place and often out of position. He isn't retrieving as many pucks and is getting pushed off the puck or just not getting it himself, he relies on others to get the puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, nuckfanfromafrica said: Canucks key to success this season is to roll four lines each featuring a key player with complimentary pieces to ensure optimal success. I've always believed in playing to a players strength and complementing them with players that excel at their weakness. Each line features a heart & soul energy player to keep the intensity level high on every shift. No designated 1st - 4th line except on any given night most productive line earns the most ice time (driving internal competition). Line D gets the most defensive starts. LINE A (Elias Line): Antoine Roussel(Energy guy) - Elia Pettersson - Nikolay Goldobin Featured key player/driver is Elia Pettersson. Kid has exceptional creativity and puck skills to drive play along with elite release. He is equally adapt at setting up line mates and finding open spot to receive and release a wicked wrister. He currently lacks the strength, size and aggressiveness to battle behind the net, along the boards, hit and battle in the crease for in close goals. Cue complementary pieces Antoine Roussel (LW) & Nikolay Goldobin. Antoine Roussel is a blue collar tireless skater that battles, hits, drives the net thus opening up space for skilled players to create. With Goldobin the line has another play making winger that can set up Pettersson for one timers along with finding open space to release a wrister when opposing defenders key in on Pettersson Key weakness of the line is in face offs. A solution is to have Jay Beagle & Sutter (depending on side of face off cycle) draw in for key faceoffs and replaced by Goldobin thereafter. (AV employed this strategy often when he was coaching in Vancouver) LINE B (Bo's Line): Sven Baertschi - Bo Hovart - Tyler Motte(Energy guy) Bo Hovart's key strength is his ability to bull himself to the net. He has a tendency to try to beat defender with his inside - outside move and when successful is effective. However he lacks the true playmaking center ability to make players around him better. Effective wingers for Him are ones that do not need the puck but have effective puck skills to push play and set up line mates. Baertschi provides the winger playmaking ability that Bo requires and appears to read off Bo quite well. Tyler Motte provides hustle, determination and relentless battle.(similar to the role that he played in Chicago on a line with Toews & Hansen/Burrows like role in Vancouver). LINE C (Boeser Line): Jake Virtanen(Energy guy) - Markus Granlund - Brock Boeser Boeser is a pure shooter and requires a good set up man. Boeser and Bo are not an optimal mix as Bo likes the puck too often and is a shoot first Center. Next to Pattersson, Granlund is the next best playmaking centerman on the team. Virtanen provides the bull drive to the net from the left flank. Virtanen (plain & simple) is most effective and dominant flying from the left wing as it allows him to use his size, lean on defenders while driving the net. It also gives the line a second hard right shoot off wing.On this Line he serves a similar role to that of Roussel on line A. Acknowlege that Pettersson can center Boeser. However having Boeser as a corner piece on a different line spreads out the offense allowing for tougher match ups for opposing team. When required the team can load up a line featuring Pettersson - Hovart - Boeser. LINE D: (Beagle & Sutter Line): Tim Schaller(Energy guy) - Jay Beagle - Brandon Sutter Beagle & Sutter provide the essential heavy lifting and shout down elements thus drawing key match up role. EXTRA FORWARD: Leipsic Waived (minor) or IR: Louis Erksson & Sam Gagner & Gaunce & Alex Biega & Jalen Chatfield, PAIR A: Alex Edler - Erik Gudbranson Physical pairing that keeps the opposing teams forwards honest along with the net clearing element. Acknowledge lack of puck carrier. This is negated or limited by paring them with LINE A that features a puck carrier in Elias and playmaking wing in Goldobin. Two hard shots from the point in Gudbranson (underrated shot) & Edler (can stand to hit the net more) PAIR B: Olli Juolevi - Chris Tanev Effective defender Tanev paired with an up & coming rookie that can carry the poke. Paired primary with LINE C given Boeser another playmaker on D in Juolevi PAIR C: Ben Hutton - Michael Del Zotto Paired Primarily with LINE B RESERVE PAIR: Derrick Pouliot - Troy Stecher POWER PLAY UNIT 1 Hovart(net driver) Boeser(shooter) Pettersson(shooter & QB) Grandlund(shooter & Passer) Juolevi(sHOOTER & QB) Features 3 shooters. Boeser on the left cycle (moving up to the left D zone). Grandlund in the middle serving as a set up man for Pettersson & Boeser & middle man shooter option for Pettersson. Pettersson as the Right side QB and shooter off the right cycle. Set up man for Hovart from down low, Grandlund & cross crease feed to Boeser. Hovart serves as the down low, poke in tight man, rebound cleaner, set up man for Grandlund, Boeser. Juolevi D man QB set up man for Pettersson & Boeser (think World juniors Finn teaM featuring Laine & Pulljave) and wristers from the point. POWER PLAY UNIT 2 Virtanen Nikolay Goldobin Baertschi Ben Hutton Michael Del Zotto PK UNIT 1 Brandon Sutter - Tyler Motte Alex Edler - Erik Gudbranson PK UNIT 2 Jay Beagle - Tim Schaller Del Zotto - Tanev I actually don't mind your 5v5 lines, aside from Sutter. But, ive no idea why you would split up Baer and no on the pp when they obviously have smoking chemistry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 19-20 Dhalen-Petterson-Baer Gaud-Hughes-Virtanen Leipsic-Horvat-Sutter Gadjo-Beagle-Roussel Motte Edler-Tanev Hughes-Juolevi Guddy-Tree Demko Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckfanfromafrica Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, cyoung said: In theory it's a good idea but in reality this does not work, you do not deploy you best player with players who will stifle his production. That would be like putting ovechkin with beagle and expecting the same production. Ovechkin needs Backstrom or kuz, boeser needs Horvat or Pettersson. Bottom line. key thing is that Backstrom is a pass first center. Agree with occasionally loading up a line with Pettersson & boeser. Don't see Bo as an ideal partner for Boeser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I wonder if Roussel got concussed trying to learn how to box because of the way he plays and there would not be any deterrents on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckfanfromafrica Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, stawns said: I actually don't mind your 5v5 lines, aside from Sutter. But, ive no idea why you would split up Baer and no on the pp when they obviously have smoking chemistry? don't get me wrong, Baer is a good option. However Grandlund adds an equally playmaking ability coupled with shot to complement the group better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, nuckfanfromafrica said: don't get me wrong, Baer is a good option. However Grandlund adds an equally playmaking ability coupled with shot to complement the group better Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of granny, but bo and Baer have outstanding chemistry, especially on PP. I see no reason why TG would mess with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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