whytelight Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 It took Ovechkin and Backstrom 13 years on the same team, losing playoff rounds, and multiple other defeats to finally win the Cup. Heck, the Caps didn't even make the playoff for 4 consecutive years from 2003 to 2007: Now they're cup champs. A Canuck Stanley cup in 2030 is not out if the question with Horvat, Petterson, Boeser, and Huges as seasoned vets. Let's enjoy the ride and enjoy seeing our players turn into NHL stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, whytelight said: It took Ovechkin and Backstrom 13 years on the same team, losing playoff rounds, and multiple other defeats to finally win the Cup. Heck, the Caps didn't even make the playoff for 4 consecutive years from 2003 to 2007: Now they're cup champs. A Canuck Stanley cup in 2030 is not out if the question with Horvat, Petterson, Boeser, and Huges as seasoned vets. Let's enjoy the ride and enjoy seeing our players turn into NHL stars. I believe Quinn Hughes is the key piece needed for us to (finally) celebrate as fans a Canuck's Cup. I see us winning 3 Cups between 2021 and 2030. That's 3 parades, and 3650 days of celebratory drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Good point. It takes more than 1 or 2 great players to win. Takes a full team with excellent D and goaltending, and the right support players. We're impatient, and rightfully so. 48 years without a Cup. Canucks are finally getting some high level prospects in the system, and may be adding more next year, and the year after. But, as you say, maybe in 5 to 10 years the Canucks will be a force, once all of these players start hitting their prime. They're currently in that awkward stage of the rebuild lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: I believe Quinn Hughes is the key piece needed for us to (finally) celebrate as fans a Canuck's Cup. I see us winning 3 Cups between 2021 and 2030. That's 3 parades, and 3650 days of celebratory drinking. I'm starting early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whytelight Posted September 28, 2018 Author Share Posted September 28, 2018 Yup: We'll pick high in 2019 and likely even in 2020. The fruits of our labor will start to ripen between the 2023-2030 time-frame. It takes many years for rookies to become the best players in the best league on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 The other team I like to use for comparisons is the Winnipeg Jets. Mark Scheifele was drafted seven years ago. It has taken that long for the Jets to build the team to what they are today, and they still aren't quite there yet. So I can totally see 2022 as a year where the Canucks finally start becoming competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Yep. It’s will be fifty for the Canucks soon, some of the original players have passed away or are in there 80’s now. Yes it took Ovi that long, no, nobody had them as cup favourites last season ( the year before yes) and yes it takes time to build a contender. TB and WNP are the favourites going in this year, and look at Byfuglien and Scheifele, and Stamkos/Hedman (yeah I know Byfuglien started in CHI)...it ..takes..time. PIT first cup with Crosby didn’t take long, but their second did. I hate that LA won two because otherwise we could just say they were lucky (which they were regardless). The OP has a point. Horvat could be long gone as a UFA before Vancouver gets their turn, or still Captaining our team into his thirties. Or it doesn’t happen at all with this core. Who really knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: We're impatient, and rightfully so. 48 years without a Cup. The sad part is the odds would be 1 out of 31 of winning the cup even if all the teams were equal. In order to win the cup a lot of things have to align in your favor. If in the next three years we can get back into the playoff hunt and make some noise that would at least be heading in the right direction. The team has to be consistently in the top 3rd of the league for a decade or more to have better than even odds to win the cup. There will always be some anomalies to that such as Vegas so aptly demonstrated last year by making it all the way to the dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, whytelight said: It took Ovechkin and Backstrom 13 years on the same team, losing playoff rounds, and multiple other defeats to finally win the Cup. Heck, the Caps didn't even make the playoff for 4 consecutive years from 2003 to 2007: Now they're cup champs. A Canuck Stanley cup in 2030 is not out if the question with Horvat, Petterson, Boeser, and Huges as seasoned vets. Let's enjoy the ride and enjoy seeing our players turn into NHL stars. Nik Backstrom just finished his 11 year, not 13th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DADDYROCK Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 The odd 1OA pick sure wouldn't hurt.or at least some luck at the LOTTO DRAFT, THIS WOULD HELP IMMENSELY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 If we suck long enough we should win the lottery pick #1 right ,we had 5 chances another 10 should do it. I suggest another course of action. Waivers this year take one of Toronto's Right D if waived Carrick, LoVerde or Holl if they get to us. Clearly the canucks will be ether the worst or second worst team this year. we could draft number 1 threw 5 Hope we have luck this year. Trade all the Vets we can this year for what ever we can get. Keep the following vets Beagle, Roussel, Gudbranson and Eriksson. Lou cant be traded. Trade the fallowing at the Trade Deadline or before the Draft- MD, Gagner, Schaller, Hutton, Tanev ,Markstrom, Liepsic , Stecher , Edler, Motte, Granlund and Sutter . Put anyone left on waivers and call up the Kids . Target the following D men . T. Sanheim , Free agent, A. Stralman, (5 years 6 mil), A. Petrovic. (2 years 3 mil) if Holl or Carrick are not picked up waivers or a trade then sign D man C. Folin Forward Kevin Hayes (3 years 5 mil) Buy out Eriksson, Sign M. Koskinen for goal. Team Next year, Draft - Jack Hughes or D. Cozens plus numerous picks acquired by trades. Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Dahlin - - Pettersson - Hughes / Cozens Virtanen - Gaudette - Hayes Roussel - Beagle - MacEwen Goldobin, Lind, Jasek Hughes - Stralman Joulevi - Gudbranson Sanheim - Petrovic/ Holl / Carrick/ Folin McEneny - Woo Demko - Free agent/ M. Koskinen Basically clean house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Go look it up, almost every single Cup winner over the last 5 decades has had #1 overall pick in their lineup (Gretzky didn't get drafted, but he would have been first overall if he was). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 17 hours ago, whytelight said: It took Ovechkin and Backstrom 13 years on the same team, losing playoff rounds, and multiple other defeats to finally win the Cup. Heck, the Caps didn't even make the playoff for 4 consecutive years from 2003 to 2007: Now they're cup champs. A Canuck Stanley cup in 2030 is not out if the question with Horvat, Petterson, Boeser, and Huges as seasoned vets. Let's enjoy the ride and enjoy seeing our players turn into NHL stars. The effects of really bad cap management mostly, Ovechkin's contract combined with their kryptonite being the NY teams. 2003/2004, Ovie's draft year the team had tanked going from 92 pts and division champs in 2002/2003 to finishing with 59 pts this was followed with the lost season, 2004/2005. 2005/2006, Ovie's rookie year and out tanked by Pitts, Chicago and Stlouis saw only a 11 point improvement but they drafted Backstrom at #4. 2007 was the last year they drafted in the top ten. The next few years saw a series of really bad trades and dubious drafting but finishing as President' s League champs 3 times, division champs 8 times and not less than 90pts. Since 2007 they have been in the playoffs every year except 2013/2014. So after drafting Ovie it took them 2 years to finish rebuilding, 3 years if you count Ovie's draft year. Pittsburgh was faster and more dramatic with Chicago rebuilding within 4 years of Tallon and Rocky taking over the team and winning the cup in year 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 17 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said: The sad part is the odds would be 1 out of 31 of winning the cup even if all the teams were equal. In order to win the cup a lot of things have to align in your favor. If in the next three years we can get back into the playoff hunt and make some noise that would at least be heading in the right direction. The team has to be consistently in the top 3rd of the league for a decade or more to have better than even odds to win the cup. There will always be some anomalies to that such as Vegas so aptly demonstrated last year by making it all the way to the dance. 2020/2021 could be a labour dispute, Bettman's record is 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHarry Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Canuck cup team 202? with current Canuck players not what ifs. …………… - Pettersson - Boeser .................. - ................. - ............... .................. - Horvat - ............... .................. - ................. - .............. Hughes - ................. Tryamkin - ............... .............. - Woo Demko ............. the ......... players are anyones guess. but expect trades to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/28/2018 at 2:28 PM, whytelight said: It took Ovechkin and Backstrom 13 years on the same team, losing playoff rounds, and multiple other defeats to finally win the Cup. Heck, the Caps didn't even make the playoff for 4 consecutive years from 2003 to 2007: Now they're cup champs. A Canuck Stanley cup in 2030 is not out if the question with Horvat, Petterson, Boeser, and Huges as seasoned vets. Let's enjoy the ride and enjoy seeing our players turn into NHL stars. Ovie was a 1st overall generational talent, Backstrom was a 4th overall pick... None of our guys went in the top 5... so not really a similar comparison. Also, I really hope we don't have to wait 13 more years... If Jim can maneuver some pieces properly, we should be able to compete ASAP and hopefully win one before 2030. Regardless, I agree with you that we'll enjoy the ride! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fecklund Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 On 9/28/2018 at 9:57 PM, bloodycanuckleheads said: Go look it up, almost every single Cup winner over the last 5 decades has had #1 overall pick in their lineup (Gretzky didn't get drafted, but he would have been first overall if he was). 25 teams in the last 46 years won the Cup without a 1st overall pick in the lineup. (Edmonton did have Gretz though so count them or not) That's 54% of the Cup winners in nearly the last 5 decades. Having said that, most of these teams DID have a top 3/4 pick on their rosters. With the exception being Colorado, who won twice without a top 3 overall pick on the roster. (they did trade Eric Lindros for a bag of riches though)2014: Los Angeles Kings 2012: Los Angeles Kings 2011: Boston Bruins 2008: Detroit Red Wings 2007: Anaheim Ducks2006: Carolina Hurricanes 2003: New Jersey Devils 2002: Detroit Red Wings 2001: Colorado Avalanche 2000: New Jersey Devils 1998: Detroit Red Wings1997: Detroit Red Wings 1996: Colorado Avalanche 1995: New Jersey Devils 1994: New York Rangers 1993: Montreal Canadiens 1990: Edmonton Oilers 1989: Calgary Flames 1988: Edmonton Oilers 1987: Edmonton Oilers 1985: Edmonton Oilers 1984: Edmonton Oilers 1975: Philadelphia Flyers 1974: Philadelphia Flyers 1972: Boston Bruins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Not including Gretzky is pretty silly. He would have easily gone #1 overall if he had gone through the draft. Also, your list is wrong. Off the top of my head, Colorado had #1 overall pick Owen Nolan on their roster the season they won the cup. And, Edmonton had Joe Murphy in 1990. I'm not going to bother checking the rest. Just adding those 6 seasons brings your total down to 19 of 46. Plus, as you mentioned, many of the teams on your list had a #2 or #3 overall pick - or traded away a #1 overall to get themselves the pieces they needed to win the cup (Nolan, Lindros, Sundin, Murphy, etc...). Having a first-overall talent on your roster is extremely important in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said: Not including Gretzky is pretty silly. He would have easily gone #1 overall if he had gone through the draft. Also, your list is wrong. Off the top of my head, Colorado had #1 overall pick Owen Nolan on their roster the season they won the cup. And, Edmonton had Joe Murphy in 1990. I'm not going to bother checking the rest. Just adding those 6 seasons brings your total down to 19 of 46. Plus, as you mentioned, many of the teams on your list had a #2 or #3 overall pick - or traded away a #1 overall to get themselves the pieces they needed to win the cup (Nolan, Lindros, Sundin, Murphy, etc...). Having a first-overall talent on your roster is extremely important in the NHL. Many NHL scouts thought he was too small to play in the NHL. Even with his WHA success many thought he'd struggle in the NHL as it was considered bigger, tougher, and more talent laden than the WHA. Even in his midget draft he went third despite crazy numbers because of his size. So it's hard to say he would have gone 1st in an NHL draft. He was really underestimated because of his slight build despite his success at each level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Ha! Gretzky was playing professionally at 17 - and utterly dominating. He also signed a nearly $2mil contract at 17 (the personal-services contract you often hear about). Which was absolutely insane for an under-age player in the 1970's. And, he was so well thought of that other owners freaked out about it. There is no way in hell he would have gone anything but #1 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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