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I've been getting concerned about all of the injuries piling up, not only on the Canucks, but also on the Comets as well.  It seems that as soon as somebody comes back one or two other guys go down.  Latest case, Juolevi and Chatfield.  It's frustrating for sure.  Is this team snakebitten?  Or is there something else going on?  I decided to dig into the stats I could find and came across this site:

 

http://nhlinjuryviz.blogspot.com/p/index-page.html

 

It's pretty easy to read and quite interesting.  In 2015/16, 2016/17, 2017/18 the Vancouver Canucks placed third in the league for most man games lost to injury.  The other teams in the surrounding spots moved around quite a bit, but we, very curiously stayed parked in third for all three years.

 

In 2018/19 so far, guess where we are?  Third most again.  It is quite perplexing, but I think it is something the organization needs to address urgently.  The statistics are telling us that is not just rotten luck.  

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Just off the top of me head:

 

1. Blocking shots and the insistence of players doing the job of the goalie(league-wide issue).

2. Fatigue.  Thin lineup to start with, players playing beyond their ice time

3. Location, more traveling than most teams, harder schedule

4. Durability(duh?!)  Players that are injury prone to begin with(Tanev)

5. Medical Staff?  Should Boeser have come back that early?  Demko travel with a concussion?  Do these mistakes prolong injuries thus adding to the man games lost?

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8 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:

Just off the top of me head:

 

1. Blocking shots and the insistence of players doing the job of the goalie(league-wide issue).

2. Fatigue.  Thin lineup to start with, players playing beyond their ice time

3. Location, more traveling than most teams, harder schedule

4. Durability(duh?!)  Players that are injury prone to begin with(Tanev)

5. Medical Staff?  Should Boeser have come back that early?  Demko travel with a concussion?  Do these mistakes prolong injuries thus adding to the man games lost?

4 and 5 are speculative crap.    You know these are "mistakes" over professional medical advice?    :lol:

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3 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

4 and 5 are speculative crap.    You know these are "mistakes" over professional medical advice?    :lol:

Tanev is not injury prone?  Trainwreck of a copy job but the bolded is Tanev games played.  I say that's being prone to injury.  Point number 5 was a question, and yes everyone makes mistakes even professionals.  At what point do you look at you medical staff and re evaluate their performance? 

 

29 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 15 0.0 38 400 13:47 0 0   32 10 10 8  
2011-12 22 VAN NHL 25 0 2 2 10 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 15 0.0 40 418 16:43 0 0   43 10 5 8  
2012-13 23 VAN NHL 38 2 5 7 4 10 2 0 0 1 5 0 0 20 10.0 58 657 17:17 0 0   61 14 13 14  
2013-14 24 VAN NHL 64 6 11 17 12 8 5 0 1 2 11 0 0 65 9.2 130 1327 20:44 0 0   136 25 17 18  
2014-15 25 VAN NHL 70 2 18 20 8 12 2 0 0 1 16 2 0 53 3.8 127 1476 21:05 0 0   170 23 26 49 Byng-45
2015-16 26 VAN NHL 69 4 14 18 -8 8 2 2 0 0 12 1 1 42 9.5 96 1501 21:45 0 0   166 18 14 39 Byng-21
2016-17 27 VAN NHL 53 2 8 10 3 14 2 0 0 1 8 0 0 39 5.1 92 1078 20:21 0 0   91 19 15 25  
2017-18 28 VAN NHL 42 2 9 11 7 8 2 0 0 0 7 0 2 31 6.5 51 831 19:47 0 0   70 21 15 15

 

2018-19 29 VAN NHL

19

 

 

 

 

 

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I can't help back think back to the Gillis era.  He took this stuff very seriously.  I think he especially felt that the travel schedule made Vancouver teams susceptible.  I can't remember the types of things he did specifically,  but when Jimbo came in, this was something he didn't focus on as much as Gillis.

 

https://sportmedbc.com/news/athlete-development-individualized-approach

 

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Vancouver Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis is taking a comprehensive approach to ensuring that each and every one of the athletes on his payroll has access to the assistance required in order to be the best hockey players that they possibly can be. From providing daily nutrition support for specific athletes, to researching and improving the team's strategies on sleep and jet lag, Gillis is carefully assessing the strengths and weaknesses of each of the players and coordinating an individualized support plan that is being implemented by his team of dedicated sport medicine and science practitioners - physicians, therapist, strength and conditioning coaches, dietitians and even sleep experts.

Matt Sekeres of the Globe and Mail recently wrote on this and characterizes Gillis's actions as "outside of the box thinking". SportMedBC's CEO Lynda Cannell applauds Gillis's efforts and encourages high performance coaches at all levels to develop these type of plans for their athletes. "It takes a comprehensive,  individualized approach to establish an effective performance enhancement program. Coaches are often good at identifying specific areas of weakness, but lack the necessary follow through and engagement of appropriate experts to address these weaknesses."

In the area of nutrition, Gillis has singled out a couple of players who needed to work on their fitness and weight control. He has gone as far as hiring a team chef that now prepares and provides these players with three healthy meals a day to help them with their weight loss process. Sport dietitian Jennifer Gibson, SportMedBC's Manager of SportMed Nutrition Programs, works with many professional athletes and knows all too well that day to day nutrition is often not a big priority. "I think that it's great that the Canucks are taking their nutrition this seriously and with such detail. Proper diet and hydration give the foundation that the players need to practice and play at 100% of their potential. We know that nutrition plays a big role in helping the guys with recovery, regeneration as well as preventing illness. When you are investing so much in the salaries of these professional athletes, ensuring that they are healthy and have optimally performing bodies is critical to maximizing ice time and team performance."

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:

Tanev is not injury prone?  Trainwreck of a copy job but the bolded is Tanev games played.  I say that's being prone to injury.  Point number 5 was a question, and yes everyone makes mistakes even professionals.  At what point do you look at you medical staff and re evaluate their performance? 

 

29 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 15 0.0 38 400 13:47 0 0   32 10 10 8  
2011-12 22 VAN NHL 25 0 2 2 10 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 15 0.0 40 418 16:43 0 0   43 10 5 8  
2012-13 23 VAN NHL 38 2 5 7 4 10 2 0 0 1 5 0 0 20 10.0 58 657 17:17 0 0   61 14 13 14  
2013-14 24 VAN NHL 64 6 11 17 12 8 5 0 1 2 11 0 0 65 9.2 130 1327 20:44 0 0   136 25 17 18  
2014-15 25 VAN NHL 70 2 18 20 8 12 2 0 0 1 16 2 0 53 3.8 127 1476 21:05 0 0   170 23 26 49 Byng-45
2015-16 26 VAN NHL 69 4 14 18 -8 8 2 2 0 0 12 1 1 42 9.5 96 1501 21:45 0 0   166 18 14 39 Byng-21
2016-17 27 VAN NHL 53 2 8 10 3 14 2 0 0 1 8 0 0 39 5.1 92 1078 20:21 0 0   91 19 15 25  
2017-18 28 VAN NHL 42 2 9 11 7 8 2 0 0 0 7 0 2 31 6.5 51 831 19:47 0 0   70 21 15 15

 

2018-19 29 VAN NHL

19

 

 

 

 

 

I can use Google and find many players who get injured because they play a certain way.   Tanev sacrifices his body as much or more than anyone in the league.   

 

Canucks did look at their medical staff and made changes.   

 

At what point do you look at silly comments about players/team and re-evaluate?

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27 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:

Just off the top of me head:

 

1. Blocking shots and the insistence of players doing the job of the goalie(league-wide issue).

2. Fatigue.  Thin lineup to start with, players playing beyond their ice time

3. Location, more traveling than most teams, harder schedule

4. Durability(duh?!)  Players that are injury prone to begin with(Tanev)

5. Medical Staff?  Should Boeser have come back that early?  Demko travel with a concussion?  Do these mistakes prolong injuries thus adding to the man games lost?

You call getting hit in the Face Injury prone come on what a bunch of crap

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6 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

At what point do you look at silly comments about players/team and re-evaluate?

Just replying to a thread asking on opinions about why this team has so many injuries, not sure what you're problem is.  Tell you what, I'll put you on ignore and you can do the same for me - and we'll be cool.  Same with this guy:

 

7 minutes ago, vannuck59 said:

You call getting hit in the Face Injury prone come on what a bunch of crap

 

Cheers

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3 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:

 

Just replying to a thread asking on opinions about why this team has so many injuries, not sure what you're problem is.  Tell you what, I'll put you on ignore and you can do the same for me - and we'll be cool.  Same with this guy:

 

 

Cheers

Why was Reid Boucher recalled. Who was injured last night?

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2 hours ago, Comethockey said:

Why was Reid Boucher recalled. Who was injured last night?

Archibald ( I think ) is getting close to having to pass through waivers. (...as is Biega ) Perhaps moves might not be injury related.

 

Edit:...........and also Brendan Gaunce :)

 

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44 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:

Tanev is not injury prone?  Trainwreck of a copy job but the bolded is Tanev games played.  I say that's being prone to injury.  Point number 5 was a question, and yes everyone makes mistakes even professionals.  At what point do you look at you medical staff and re evaluate their performance? 

 

29 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 15 0.0 38 400 13:47 0 0   32 10 10 8  
2011-12 22 VAN NHL 25 0 2 2 10 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 15 0.0 40 418 16:43 0 0   43 10 5 8  
2012-13 23 VAN NHL 38 2 5 7 4 10 2 0 0 1 5 0 0 20 10.0 58 657 17:17 0 0   61 14 13 14  
2013-14 24 VAN NHL 64 6 11 17 12 8 5 0 1 2 11 0 0 65 9.2 130 1327 20:44 0 0   136 25 17 18  
2014-15 25 VAN NHL 70 2 18 20 8 12 2 0 0 1 16 2 0 53 3.8 127 1476 21:05 0 0   170 23 26 49 Byng-45
2015-16 26 VAN NHL 69 4 14 18 -8 8 2 2 0 0 12 1 1 42 9.5 96 1501 21:45 0 0   166 18 14 39 Byng-21
2016-17 27 VAN NHL 53 2 8 10 3 14 2 0 0 1 8 0 0 39 5.1 92 1078 20:21 0 0   91 19 15 25  
2017-18 28 VAN NHL 42 2 9 11 7 8 2 0 0 0 7 0 2 31 6.5 51 831 19:47 0 0   70 21 15 15

 

2018-19 29 VAN NHL

19

 

 

 

 

 

I can't read binary

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43 minutes ago, Dungass said:

I can't help back think back to the Gillis era.  He took this stuff very seriously.  I think he especially felt that the travel schedule made Vancouver teams susceptible.  I can't remember the types of things he did specifically,  but when Jimbo came in, this was something he didn't focus on as much as Gillis.

 

https://sportmedbc.com/news/athlete-development-individualized-approach

 

 

Personally, I think Gillis was one of our best GM's of all time.  Drafting aside, he knew how to sign players, trade players for value, and take care of his players the best he could.  He was a analytical GM who analyzed every single part of the game.  I agree it was time to go after the Torts era, and he isn't the GM for a rebuilding team, but for a competitor, he knew how to get every inch out of his team and push them over the top.  He won our first two President's Trophies of all time.

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https://www.ontheforecheck.com/2017/6/27/15881964/nhl-travel-miles-the-2017-18-super-schedule

 

Above is a link to NHL teams travel miles compared for 3 seasons.  The Canucks were 7th last year with 44,285.  But their back to back games were low at 10.  

 

Highest travel last year?  Colorado 48,639 (back to back 11)

Lowest travel?  Pittsburgh 34,041 but tied for most back to backs 19

 

The miles change some each year but the trend is definitely that western teams travel more.  Incidentally, Florida places 6th with 44,395

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Canuck man games lost have been inflated by counting AHL called up injured, players that hadn't played on the team, players already known not to be playing.

Yes the Canucks have had injuries to key personnel but add up those games.

Rodin - 70gms, Dorsett 24gms this season, check out the players listed

1 hour ago, Tre Mac said:

Just off the top of me head:

 

1. Blocking shots and the insistence of players doing the job of the goalie(league-wide issue).

2. Fatigue.  Thin lineup to start with, players playing beyond their ice time

3. Location, more traveling than most teams, harder schedule

4. Durability(duh?!)  Players that are injury prone to begin with(Tanev)

5. Medical Staff?  Should Boeser have come back that early?  Demko travel with a concussion?  Do these mistakes prolong injuries thus adding to the man games lost?

 

1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said:

4 and 5 are speculative crap.    You know these are "mistakes" over professional medical advice?    :lol:

5 is not too speculative, air travel seems to be ignored in a lot of considerations, look up the effects of prolonged or repeated dehydration let alone "fear of flying",  spread of viruses, effects of depressurization as used in the concussions recovery.

 

Injury prone? I see Tanev was used as an example, his position and style of play contribute, now Boeser could be considered as he has had wrist injuries and surgery, back, groin all within 90 games.

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1 hour ago, Tre Mac said:

 

Just replying to a thread asking on opinions about why this team has so many injuries, not sure what you're problem is.  Tell you what, I'll put you on ignore and you can do the same for me - and we'll be cool.  Same with this guy:

 

 

Cheers

hey i agree with your sentiments overall

to be the 3rd worst injury team in the nhl consistently

likely places the canucks as worst over a period of years

zepp does not like this sort of commentary or analysis

 

but i can tell you without any doubt

that if an employer in a workplace

had this sort of injury track record

worker's compensation would not accept bad luck or misfortune

as a valid excuse

they would insist on improvement in quick order

and the employer would see it's premiums go through the roof very quickly

if the employer could not resolve the issue, it would be forced out of business

due to very high wcb premium costs

 

but i guess in the hockey field

this sort of approach and analysis is not valid??

yet it is a business

and a business analysis must be applied to the injury situation as well (i think)

 

i have not addressed this issue this year

but have repeatedly the last 2 seasons or longer

since the canucks have turned over it's medical/training staff this off season

i wanted to let a fair bit of time to go by before revisiting this issue

so i will bide my time and see if any change or improvement has occurred

this is an issue that needs ongoing monitoring

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2 hours ago, Tre Mac said:

Just off the top of me head:

 

1. Blocking shots and the insistence of players doing the job of the goalie(league-wide issue).

2. Fatigue.  Thin lineup to start with, players playing beyond their ice time

3. Location, more traveling than most teams, harder schedule

4. Durability(duh?!)  Players that are injury prone to begin with(Tanev)

5. Medical Staff?  Should Boeser have come back that early?  Demko travel with a concussion?  Do these mistakes prolong injuries thus adding to the man games lost?

No 3 must have something to do with it... less time for the body recoup.

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1 hour ago, Crabcakes said:

https://www.ontheforecheck.com/2017/6/27/15881964/nhl-travel-miles-the-2017-18-super-schedule

 

Above is a link to NHL teams travel miles compared for 3 seasons.  The Canucks were 7th last year with 44,285.  But their back to back games were low at 10.  

 

Highest travel last year?  Colorado 48,639 (back to back 11)

Lowest travel?  Pittsburgh 34,041 but tied for most back to backs 19

 

The miles change some each year but the trend is definitely that western teams travel more.  Incidentally, Florida places 6th with 44,395

I've always thought the whole extra travel excuse was lame and this chart pretty much proves that. Look at some of the teams who traveled LESS than 2000 miles than the Canucks over the entire season. Nashville, Vegas, Winnipeg, San Jose, Tampa. 2000 miles isn't even ONE full coast to coast flight, basically 4 hours in the air,  so why didn't it effect the teams mentioned as hard as the Canucks?

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