"Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled from radio

[Toews]

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

I know what you're saying but we are far from 'done'. It's just taken on a different dynamic (i.e. webcam footage for blackmail and cyberbullying, "revenge porn"). Don't forget, celebrities also occasionally get their sex videos released without their permission, and that would spark a bunch of comments. The thing is, those specific people have an army to defend against it (at least on the public side of things). Regular folk don't have such a luxury.

I do not disagree that we have a lot of issues to fix but at least we have reached a point in society where women can speak up and be honest.

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

I'm not sure how people can't 'relate' to it anymore. It's simply a man trying to get a woman to stay, telling her it's cold outside. Eminem and Rihanna has a song that is called "Love the Way You Lie", which may not necessarily show "rape", but shows a potentially abusive relationship, which is a very relevant concept to today. Yes, it was released many years prior to this year (I think it's 2010). At no point is the song glamorizing the abusive relationship. People recognized this fact. The people before these group of people also didn't think there was a 'rapey' element to the song "Baby It's Cold Outside."

Actually I shouldn't have said that. I am sure there are some women who identify with the woman in the song,  but not in the way that you think. I am sure they see it as a situation with a pervert who just can't take "No" for an answer.  Unfair? Probably but that's what it sounds like to those who don't understand the artist's intent. Why can't they understand the artist's intent? Because they cannot relate to it and that's what makes the song outdated.

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

People are reading far too much into the lyrics and twisting the words to match what they think it means. The intent wasn't there. And while I am not discounting the fact that there were rapes that happened with the use of alcohol during that time, 'drugs' like GHB I suspected hadn't existed yet. The drugs of choice during that period were likely morphine or cocaine. Hardly, effective drugs for 'rape'.

The problem with art in general is that it is perceived differently by different people. The intent of the artist rarely matters. Music is if anything another form of art. The meaning you find in a particular song is different from what someone else might find. If people are tuning out because they cannot understand the context behind the lyrics then it is entirely excusable for any radio station to make the appropriate business decision.

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

Furthermore, it's not like the songwriter Frank Loesser (who's deceased) was involved in any sort of date rape incident. In fact, the daughter has spoke out regarding it. (tl;dr version - it's an innocent song and that he'd be horrified to hear that the song is associated with rape).

The artist's character nor intent is apparent from the lyrics of this song. He is blameless in this but the reality is that his music is probably past its shelf life.

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

This whole escapade by so-called Social Justice Warriors is intentionally tarnishing the reputation of a good-standing individual to advance an agenda. If you can't see the problem with doing this, YOU are part of the problem.

If you say so. 

[luckylager]

It's a great tune

My wife put it on earlier today and sung along

 

She thinks anybody who is offended by that song, or finds it pervy, or #metoo bull$&!# - "is a &^@#ing loser and should just lock themselves in a box and die."

 

Her words, not mine. My awesome wife is awesome, cuts right to the chase. 'Maybe just a half a drink more'

[kingofsurrey]

Some songs / movies just don't hold up well over time........  

 

Different world now days....  

[Bill Sikes]

17 hours ago, Toews said:

How do you suggest a radio station go about doing that? Do they give a history lesson before or after the song is played so that listeners understand the full historical context. Face it, its outdated and no longer fits in the mainstream music category. Mainstream music is the kind of music you would find playing in a mall or a grocery store. Its generic, inoffensive and tries to appeal to multiple age groups. This particular song no longer appeals to all age groups and hence it was probably a business decision to cut it out. If you love it so much you have youtube, spotify or any other number of music streaming services.

Works both ways, if you and the small group of snowflakes don't like it you can turn the radio off or change the station, but then that doesn't get them the attention they are seeking does it?

[Toews]

18 minutes ago, Bill Sikes said:

Works both ways, if you and the small group of snowflakes don't like it you can turn the radio off or change the station, but then that doesn't get them the attention they are seeking does it?

You clearly haven't read my posts in this thread as that was I allege probably happened. The "small group of snowflakes" you mentioned was probably a larger group of youngsters who did not understand the song and some no doubt were creeped out by the lyrics. Radio station realizes that they are losing listeners and they get rid of the song. Instead of people whining about the song, now you have people whining that the song was removed. Both sides are complete snowflakes who have nothing better to do with their time than agonize over a song from the 50s. 

[Bill Sikes]

43 minutes ago, Toews said:

You clearly haven't read my posts in this thread as that was I allege probably happened. The "small group of snowflakes" you mentioned was probably a larger group of youngsters who did not understand the song and some no doubt were creeped out by the lyrics. Radio station realizes that they are losing listeners and they get rid of the song. Instead of people whining about the song, now you have people whining that the song was removed. Both sides are complete snowflakes who have nothing better to do with their time than agonize over a song from the 50s. 

I am indifferent to the song itself, its the attack on free speech that bothers me, this is a slippery slope, maybe the next target will be Steppenwolf's Magic Carpet Ride (Why don't you come with me little girl, on a magic carpet ride)  sound's like it's promoting drug abuse and pedophilia if you're thin skinned enough, or maybe we should ban Wild Cherry (Play that funky music White Boy) as racist.  As for the "large group", the polls I've seen usually show well over 90% of people think pulling this song is ridiculous.

[Ronaldoescobar]

Cold blooded

[JM_]

19 hours ago, aGENT said:

We can (and should) be afraid of ideologically driven , extremist ideas though. Which is very much what we're seeing.

 

When it comes to that nonsense, I lean far more to the proactive snuffing out than dismissal.

 

Dangerous, murderous ideas have no place in the discussion IMO.

what isn't ideologically driven? every phase of history has extreme ideas, there's always going to be a far left and far right of some kind. You can't proactively snuff out an idea, thats what the people getting rid of the song are trying to do and its failing miserably. 

 

I think people freak out way too much these days - some person on the "left" says something, therefore I must have an equal and opposite freak out to the right of it? or vice versa. That seems to be where a lot of peoples heads are at these days. But no, you don't have to have an extreme reaction too or snuff things out.

 

I really feel the only difference today vs other times, is how our institutions are now afraid to stand behind free speech, thats really the thing thats concerning to me, not the vast majority of ideas people are playing with. It will self-correct if we let it, but trying to stamp things out or having extreme reactions isn't going to help, imo anyway. We need politicians and administrators with a bit more spine and a lot less "risk management". 

 

[smokes]

Have these guys ever heard Eminem?

[aGENT]

On 12/9/2018 at 7:56 AM, Jimmy McGill said:

what isn't ideologically driven? every phase of history has extreme ideas, there's always going to be a far left and far right of some kind. You can't proactively snuff out an idea, thats what the people getting rid of the song are trying to do and its failing miserably. 

 

I think people freak out way too much these days - some person on the "left" says something, therefore I must have an equal and opposite freak out to the right of it? or vice versa. That seems to be where a lot of peoples heads are at these days. But no, you don't have to have an extreme reaction too or snuff things out.

 

I really feel the only difference today vs other times, is how our institutions are now afraid to stand behind free speech, thats really the thing thats concerning to me, not the vast majority of ideas people are playing with. It will self-correct if we let it, but trying to stamp things out or having extreme reactions isn't going to help, imo anyway. We need politicians and administrators with a bit more spine and a lot less "risk management". 

 

What did you think we were talking about here? Like the pronouns, this has little to do with what you think about the song. 

 

And I'm not for extremist views on either end of the political spectrum. But yes, if people start talking about extremist views on either end... sane, rational, centrist people should do everything in their power to shut that garbage down.

 

We largely (and appropriately IMO) already do with anything related to Nazism and the like, I'm not sure why we should treat Marxism and the like any differently?

[JM_]

2 hours ago, aGENT said:

What did you think we were talking about here? Like the pronouns, this has little to do with what you think about the song. 

 

And I'm not for extremist views on either end of the political spectrum. But yes, if people start talking about extremist views on either end... sane, rational, centrist people should do everything in their power to shut that garbage down.

 

We largely (and appropriately IMO) already do with anything related to Nazism and the like, I'm not sure why we should treat Marxism and the like any differently?

because you can't really shut down an idea, and when you try it just gives goofballs like Trump even more power and it seems to attract even more people when its something people are trying to actively get rid of. Ideas just don't work that way. We have to return to a point where free speech isn't shut down so easily or have people in power cave in to pressure from the far left. Just let people talk. 

 

[JM_]

2 hours ago, aGENT said:

What did you think we were talking about here? Like the pronouns, this has little to do with what you think about the song. 

 

And I'm not for extremist views on either end of the political spectrum. But yes, if people start talking about extremist views on either end... sane, rational, centrist people should do everything in their power to shut that garbage down.

 

We largely (and appropriately IMO) already do with anything related to Nazism and the like, I'm not sure why we should treat Marxism and the like any differently?

sorry double post. My browser is acting up today.

 

[Seifer86]

On 12/9/2018 at 6:58 AM, Bill Sikes said:

I am indifferent to the song itself, its the attack on free speech that bothers me, this is a slippery slope, maybe the next target will be Steppenwolf's Magic Carpet Ride (Why don't you come with me little girl, on a magic carpet ride)  sound's like it's promoting drug abuse and pedophilia if you're thin skinned enough, or maybe we should ban Wild Cherry (Play that funky music White Boy) as racist.  As for the "large group", the polls I've seen usually show well over 90% of people think pulling this song is ridiculous.

How bout the new Struts single, Body Talks:

 

"You could pretend you don't want it now

But I read the signs from your head to your toes

Yeah you don't need to say a word 'cause

Ooh, ooh your body talks"

 

Sounds like the song promotes implied consent. Outrage!

 

[NucksPatsFan]

Can we also ban Nicki Minaj, Cardi B, any rapper ever, Drake, etc. from the radio?

 

I'm offended by Justin Timberlake's sexy back. I never had any sexy to begin with, so I can't bring it back. It makes me feel uncomfortable. Where do I start the petition to have this song banned from radio?

[luckylager]

22 minutes ago, NucksPatsFan said:

Can we also ban Nicki Minaj, Cardi B, any rapper ever, Drake, etc. from the radio?

 

I'm offended by Justin Timberlake's sexy back. I never had any sexy to begin with, so I can't bring it back. It makes me feel uncomfortable. Where do I start the petition to have this song banned from radio?

Where's he bringing "sexy" back to?

 

Does she know she's going?

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

because you can't really shut down an idea, and when you try it just gives goofballs like Trump even more power and it seems to attract even more people when its something people are trying to actively get rid of. Ideas just don't work that way. We have to return to a point where free speech isn't shut down so easily or have people in power cave in to pressure from the far left. Just let people talk. 

 

 

So you think people should not be actively denouncing ('shutting down') things like Nazis? 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

21 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

So you think people should not be actively denouncing ('shutting down') things like Nazis? 

There’s a fine line on this. Steven crowder has a pretty good video on this. Despite the guy being a douche he can make a good point once in a while. 

 

As soon as the free speech turns into calling of actions that’s when the line gets crossed. In the US its called imminent lawless action. 

 

“I think all leafs fans are dumb”

”I hope leafs fans dont continue to reproduce” 

=acceptable

 

“i want to run over all leafs fans with my truck”

”us good hockey fans should get together and beat up leafs fans”

=not acceptable

[aGENT]

1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

There’s a fine line on this. Steven crowder has a pretty good video on this. Despite the guy being a douche he can make a good point once in a while. 

 

As soon as the free speech turns into calling of actions that’s when the line gets crossed. In the US its called imminent lawless action. 

 

“I think all leafs fans are dumb”

”I hope leafs fans dont continue to reproduce” 

=acceptable

 

“i want to run over all leafs fans with my truck”

”us good hockey fans should get together and beat up leafs fans”

=not acceptable

 

Yeah I get the distinction. Free speech gives people the freedom to discuss frequently challenging, at times offensive and difficult subjects openly. Which we very much need and is a pillar of the largely (certainly historically) free societies we currently enjoy.

 

I don't care if your on the left or right, once you get out far enough on the extremes and you start calling for race/religion etc based genocides on the right or equality of outcome and the elimination of free speech (among other things) due to identity politics on the left, you've gone too far. You're no longer welcome in the discussion with the rest of us.  

[JM_]

53 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

So you think people should not be actively denouncing ('shutting down') things like Nazis? 

actively denouncing, motoring for hate speech, etc, but you can't 'shut down' an idea. A lot of the time the fringes only get attention when people try to shut them down. Its the price of free speech.

[aGENT]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

actively denouncing, motoring for hate speech, etc, but you can't 'shut down' an idea. A lot of the time the fringes only get attention when people try to shut them down. Its the price of free speech.

So your optional choice of action is too simply look the other way so as to 'not give them attention'?

 

Sorry but that's how millions of people end up dead.

 

Our universities are quickly turning in to Marxist indoctrination facilities which is then leaking in to corporations, work forces, governments, elementary schools etc.

 

Something tells me if a bunch of Nazis were doing this, people would be a lot more perturbed and proactive about this...