oldnews Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 6 hours ago, Phat Fingers said: Less than EK tha's not saying much PF. a boatload of assets to acquire and a huge contract in any event.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 hours ago, D-Money said: They'd have interest from 2 opposite types of teams. Zaitsev is struggling this season, but has shown upside in the past. There's reason to believe that he could regain some of that and be a solid #4/5 D-man for the next few years. And he obviously must fit in with a young dressing room, as Toronto liked him right away. So a younger team that is rebuilding could be interested in him, and hoping to "buy low". On the other hand, a team looking to win right now would be much more interested in Tanev. However, these teams often have tighter cap situations, and would pay a premium to get a player with retention. Although we wouldn't NEED to retain cap on Tanev, doing so would be a way to maximize our return. To illustrate the difference in value, I bet Toronto would trade us Zaitsev, their 2019 1st, and likely an additional "B" prospect for Tanev with 50% retention. It gives them a big boost, because Tanev right now is obviously the better player. And although the Leafs don't need cap space this year, Tanev's retention will help them next year, when things will be much tighter. For Vancouver, Zaitsev fills in for the loss of Tanev, and he is probably a better RH PP D-man than anyone else on the team. And he's far less injury-prone than Tanev (and Gudbranson, for that matter), so at least he'll stabilize the position. (And maybe as a bonus he'll help convince his World Championship teammate with the same first name to come back and play with him after next season.) However, for a team that knows it won't win anything this year or next (as St. Louis probably realizes), adding the older, injury-prone, and soon-to-be-UFA Tanev doesn't hold as much value. I thought guys start declining at age 26 nowadays? Well Zaitsev might fit your bill. At this point he's borderline umoveable. That's what happens when you give a guy 7 years and 30+ million after one decent NHL season. Why the hell should this team be the one making a leap of faith on a maybe - that he isn't as bad as he's been the past two years? The price to dump that kind of contract is steep. And btw, he doesn't have a powerplay point in the last two years, scarcely touches the ice - not sure why you'd assume he'd be better than Stecher - but in any event, this team uses 4 forwards on their units, so Zaitsev would be useless in that sense. I don't know how a 'defensive' blueline manages a -30 turnover differential at this point of a season (2 takeaways, 32 giveaways) in 32 games - and 2 pts - but no one ought to point that out to Don Cherry or there'll be hell to pay on blowhard's corner lol. A late first, a B prospect and eating Zaitsev's 7 year deal - with retention on Tanev to boot - is an easy deal to reject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, oldnews said: tha's not saying much PF. a boatload of assets to acquire and a huge contract in any event.... Old News, Pietrangelo won't be asking for 10 plus, like EK. Can't see him getting above his current salary cap adjusted. Unless he has a monster year next season. I would imagine that it would require some assets to get a top pairing d man. It is our biggest weakness, our biggest need. With improving our defence and having Hughes, OJ and Woo in the wings would be a nice addition to our young forward core. Are we going far with Edler and Tanev as our two top guys? Would it be better to build a group that can provide some frame work for our young guys to step into the NHL and not the wolves. Hasn't this young group of players shown enough promise to build around. I think so. If Hughes, OJ and Woo turn out half as good at Brock, EP40, Jake and Gaudette, we are in good hands. The idea of giving up a pick to improve the roster thru a trade was unthinkable 3 months ago, but we have a young group that is worth building around. The chemistry is visible. The rebuild just needs some finishing touches, I am interested in seeing JB think outside the box and put it on the fast track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said: Old News, Pietrangelo won't be asking for 10 plus, like EK. Can't see him getting above his current salary cap adjusted. Unless he has a monster year next season. I would imagine that it would require some assets to get a top pairing d man. It is our biggest weakness, our biggest need. With improving our defence and having Hughes, OJ and Woo in the wings would be a nice addition to our young forward core. Are we going far with Edler and Tanev as our two top guys? Would it be better to build a group that can provide some frame work for our young guys to step into the NHL and not the wolves. Hasn't this young group of players shown enough promise to build around. I think so. If Hughes, OJ and Woo turn out half as good at Brock, EP40, Jake and Gaudette, we are in good hands. The idea of giving up a pick to improve the roster thru a trade was unthinkable 3 months ago, but we have a young group that is worth building around. The chemistry is visible. The rebuild just needs some finishing touches, I am interested in seeing JB think outside the box and put it on the fast track. Isn’t it faster, better, and more long lasting to sign EK as a UFA, and keep our other assets to keep retooling our team, so our window of winning stays open longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Phat Fingers said: Old News, Pietrangelo won't be asking for 10 plus, like EK. Can't see him getting above his current salary cap adjusted. Unless he has a monster year next season. not sure if serious. Pietrangelo expiring or on the UFA market is not going for 6.5, adjusted or not. 54 points last year. 25 minutes a night. Under 50% ozone starts for 5 years running. 236 points over that span. I think you're dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Just now, oldnews said: not sure if serious. Pietrangelo expiring or on the UFA market is not going for 6.5, adjusted or not. 54 points last year. 25 minutes a night. Under 50% ozone starts for 5 years running. 236 points over that span. I think you're dreaming. So then he would be worth more... but I doubt he goes for EK money. 8m a season... make signing an extension part of the trade. The very things you bring up makes him a very good guy to target, no? Doesn't sound like a guy to pass on. Put him into Tanev's spot and pair him with Hughes next year. Drool. How good could this current team be with a stud like Pietrangelo on the back end? Please answer that question specifically I your reply, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Want to add to above. Whatever money AP gets next contract would.be worth it. Have the nucks ever had a d man of that caliber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said: Want to add to above. Whatever money AP gets next contract would.be worth it. Have the nucks ever had a d man of that caliber? Snepts was pretty good. Dennis Kearns and Paul Reinhart were excellent D men. I think AP is a good player, but I don’t see him in the same level as EK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: Isn’t it faster, better, and more long lasting to sign EK as a UFA, and keep our other assets to keep retooling our team, so our window of winning stays open longer? It could.be, but cap will be a problem sooner than many want to realize. EK will go for top dollar. 10m a season. He also doesn't play the same game as Pietrangelo. Hughes is our EK. He is pursuing on an ELC. If we were to land Pietrangelo, he would be defacto, the best d man to be a canuck, ever. Then add Hughes. It would transform the d and the team. He also plays a lot of games. Having a durable guy (even though I think he might be currently injured) than Tanev to bedrock our young guys. I don't see EK taking 50 d zone starts and logging the heavy minutes that AP does. Plus the move will create cap space vs signing EK. Also, Kappi = Goldy, Sutter = 2nd leaving the 1st, Tanev and Lind for Pietrangelo if you ask my proposal for a Tanev swap. I would trade Goldy for Kappi, a 2nd for Sutter, not great, but man does he get injured. I would trade a 1st, Tanev and Lind for Pietrangelo, wouldn't everyone? Sutter is 3.3m, Tanev is 4m, Pietrangelo is 6.5m thru to 2020. That leaves money to still sign EK anyways, if JB wanted to, but it would free up cap to address other areas without having to get an EK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Phat Fingers said: It could.be, but cap will be a problem sooner than many want to realize. EK will go for top dollar. 10m a season. He also doesn't play the same game as Pietrangelo. Hughes is our EK. He is pursuing on an ELC. If we were to land Pietrangelo, he would be defacto, the best d man to be a canuck, ever. Then add Hughes. It would transform the d and the team. He also plays a lot of games. Having a durable guy (even though I think he might be currently injured) than Tanev to bedrock our young guys. I don't see EK taking 50 d zone starts and logging the heavy minutes that AP does. Plus the move will create cap space vs signing EK. Also, Kappi = Goldy, Sutter = 2nd leaving the 1sr and lind for Pietrangelo if you ask my proposal for a Tanev swap. Sutter is 3.3m, Tanev is 4m, Pietrangelo is 6.5m thru to 2020. That leaves money to still sign EK anyways, if JB wanted to, but it would free up cap to address other areas without having to get an EK. I like your plan (and Pietrangelo) but I’m not liking giving up young assets/ picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Just now, Alflives said: I like your plan (and Pietrangelo) but I’m not liking giving up young assets/ picks. Getting a guy that can put up 50 pts, play 25min a night and have less than 50% o zone starts.... not an easy feat. Don't think he gets traded for less unless St Louis has no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 In keeping with the Vlad do you know Igor and the do you know Dave bit I'd just like to point out: Erik Karlsson and Elias Petterson are both Swedes, so that makes EK a lock to sign here this off season doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancouver Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Parayko proving his worth tonight with 2 goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 6 hours ago, stawns said: he has said, many times over, that he will not waive and JB has said he will not ask him too A couple weeks ago when he was asked, his answer as a direct quote was: ”I have always said I like it here. But whatever happens, happens.” How does that translate into refusing to waive his NTC? Him saying he wants to stay is in no way saying he would refuse to waive. Please cite the last time he said he would refuse to waive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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N7Nucks Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Provost said: A couple weeks ago when he was asked, his answer as a direct quote was: ”I have always said I like it here. But whatever happens, happens.” How does that translate into refusing to waive his NTC? Him saying he wants to stay is in no way saying he would refuse to waive. Please cite the last time he said he would refuse to waive? Cause of a quote he had like 4 years ago. I am pretty sure it was right after his horrible year with Torts when he was asked about it and said he didn't sign that contract to waive his NTC right away. People keep referencing it as if there hasn't been an update or he said something different recently. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 4 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Cause of a quote he had like 4 years ago. I am pretty sure it was right after his horrible year with Torts when he was asked about it and said he didn't sign that contract to waive his NTC right away. People keep referencing it as if there hasn't been an update or he said something different recently. Lol. From this February and last month Dhaliwal said he doesn't think Edler has changed his mind: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 In a year when offence is sky-high their forwards have really struggled. Might as well flip O'Reilly to a contender for some juicy prospects. Our obvious targets would be Schwartz (although 26, great playmaker and we could use a passer to set up Boeser/Pettersson/Horvat). Fabbri could be a cheap/interesting pick if we can convert him to wing but he's an obvious wild card. Parayko and Peiterangelo are going to command far too much attention...however... Hutton + Gaudette + 2nd or 3rd for Parayko + Fabbri, maybe picks to even it up? Purely a change of scenery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 7 hours ago, mll said: From this February and last month Dhaliwal said he doesn't think Edler has changed his mind: cheers for that. I don't see JB asking and I don't see Edler waiving if he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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