[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Edmonton Oilers | Dec. 27, 2018

[EdgarM]

Can't wait until we get back 2 legit scoring lines(Bo/Baert and EP/Boes) to go along with 2 great shut down lines lead by Beagle and Sutter. To the naysayers, I believe if we stay healthy we WILL be going to the playoffs this year.

[oldnews]

Has that Lucic signing ever gone downhill - even faster than most of us anticipated.

They've won nothing in the initial stages....

 

And now, here they are with a 1 goal scorer, who has 6 assists, 2 of those on the powerplay.

5 even strength pts through 37 games...the Canucks have literally no one with production that anemic, let alone that comes with a 6 million cap hit - when the Coil are supposed to be contending.

 

What's maybe even worse is that they have Lucic playing an absolute misfit role on a bottom six 'checking' line, something he does not appear cut out to fulfill. 

 

LE's 7 goals and 16 pts, and 15 takeaways (+10) not looking so bad by comparison.

But, but Lucic hits people.  Those might be the most expensive hits in NHL history.

[HorvatToBaertschi]

6 hours ago, stawns said:

Edmonton scored one goal, on the pp, in the second period, I think we have a different definition of "disasterous".

My definition of a disastrous period was; our absence of shots, zone time, offensive pressure, countless giveaways (EP with like 4 terrible giveaways himself), and the oilers turning the jets on. Sure, they only got 1 PP goal out of it, and we did play a good game, but let’s not kid ourselves, that 2nd period was not a good one, not at all. Thank you Marky. 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

2 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

My definition of a disastrous period was; our absence of shots, zone time, offensive pressure, countless giveaways (EP with like 4 terrible giveaways himself), and the oilers turning the jets on. Sure, they only got 1 PP goal out of it, and we did play a good game, but let’s not kid ourselves, that 2nd period was not a good one, not at all. Thank you Marky. 

Yep Even EP stated in his post game that he didn’t think the team played very good at all in the second and the first 10 min of the third. Some people here just like to whine and nitpick everything.  

[mll]

36 minutes ago, EdgarM said:

Can't wait until we get back 2 legit scoring lines(Bo/Baert and EP/Boes) to go along with 2 great shut down lines lead by Beagle and Sutter. To the naysayers, I believe if we stay healthy we WILL be going to the playoffs this year.

That's how they started the season, 2 offensive lines and 2 shutdown lines, but is that what they ultimately want though.  

 

McKenzie for his season preview spoke to both Benning and Green and they are well aware that teams are moving to 3 scoring lines and one so-called hard to play against line.  There just wasn't enough skill and Green was concerned about scoring.  

 

With Sutter's injury Horvat has moved into a matchup role.  His offence comes from shutting down the other teams top lines.  WD has always said that it's best for Horvat to play with defensive wingers and that ultimately he will be able to shut down any line in the league while also producing.   WD mentioned a few times how that was his role back in London.  It's what he is doing today - Horvat himself recently talked about how it was his role with the London Knights.

 

Eriksson, Virtanen, Roussel, Granlund, Sutter and possibly Leivo look to be better options for that line with Horvat than Goldobin, Baertschi or Boeser.  It allows to create a 3rd scoring line.  Sutter is not an ideal playmaking C but he has a good shot and he could also move to wing and play with either Horvat or Beagle.   

 

Down the road they could have Horvat as productive matchup C, Pettersson + player X as playmaking Cs and Beagle or Sutter as the hard to play against line.  

 

[teepain]

11 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

I'd say Eriksson is the easiest to get by waivers, but I get your meaning.

Unless someone get moved soon i dont see any different thinking from the management group. Same moves as earlier this season

 

gaudette

biega 

[kenhodgejr]

11 hours ago, Jaimito said:

Our jesus > their jesus

To add to that I would say Horvat > Draisaitl 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

PRACTICE | Troy Stecher on Hit, Injury and Status

 

[EdgarM]

27 minutes ago, mll said:

That's how they started the season, 2 offensive lines and 2 shutdown lines, but is that what they ultimately want though.  

 

McKenzie for his season preview spoke to both Benning and Green and they are well aware that teams are moving to 3 scoring lines and one so-called hard to play against line.  There just wasn't enough skill and Green was concerned about scoring.  

 

With Sutter's injury Horvat has moved into a matchup role.  His offence comes from shutting down the other teams top lines.  WD has always said that it's best for Horvat to play with defensive wingers and that ultimately he will be able to shut down any line in the league while also producing.   WD mentioned a few times how that was his role back in London.  It's what he is doing today - Horvat himself recently talked about how it was his role with the London Knights.

 

Eriksson, Virtanen, Roussel, Granlund, Sutter and possibly Leivo look to be better options for that line with Horvat than Goldobin, Baertschi or Boeser.  It allows to create a 3rd scoring line.  Sutter is not an ideal playmaking C but he has a good shot and he could also move to wing and play with either Horvat or Beagle.   

 

Down the road they could have Horvat as productive matchup C, Pettersson + player X as playmaking Cs and Beagle or Sutter as the hard to play against line.  

 

I think this gives them the best options depending on who the opponent is. Take the Oilers for example, you need 2 shutdown lines to always be on McDavid and Draistyl as they basically play 1/2 the game. Maybe a team has 2 good lines like Pittsburgh. You need someone on Crosby and another on Malkin. 

We have been basically playing with 1 scoring line and Bo chipping in when he  is not bogged down with defensive responsibilities. 

Bo is unique in that he is multidimensional in that yes his defensive game is great he IS also a legit point producer. Him and Baertchi seem to be able to generate offense quite nicely and will take some pressure off of Boes and EP.

Sutter could very well be a great 3rd liner in that he could play mostly D with enough skill to pot in the odd goal here and there, especially during the playoffs.

[Toni Zamboni]

got my shades on this year......[future is bright]

GCG!

[-Vintage Canuck-]

PRACTICE | Brandon Sutter on Injury, Recovery and Status

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

PRACTICE | Sven Baertschi on Injury, Recovery and Status

 

[Kragar]

18 hours ago, AllWeatherFan said:

What do you do with a guy paid 6m to do “little things” when even those don’t get done?

I'll take two Loui's over one Lucic, contracts and all, at this point.

[JM_]

5 hours ago, stawns said:

complete and utter hyperbole

its the most hyperbolic thing ever said 

[Crabcakes]

3 hours ago, Samgagner'sface said:

I honestly wonder if character vets would make a difference there. From the outside its almost like all their #1 picks feel they're so good they don't need to listen to veterans or learn from them because they feel they're already so much better. I have no basis of proof or fact that this is the case, but it must be something? It makes me really appreciate the team culture we have. Even our star kids that are ripping it up are relatively humble and aware of how much they can learn about being pro from the vets. Sometimes I get the feeling the oilers are like the lord of the flies with the kids running the island. Year after year they seem to degenerate into chaos. The team tuning out so many coaches in such a small amount of time seems to suggest this as well. 

 

Love my team 

Awesome......Lord of the Flies..........I used to think that for sure when they gave Hall, RNH and Eberle $6M on their contracts after their entry level

[Crabcakes]

3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Lines in practice:

 

Eriksson-Horvat/Sutter-Virtanen

Goldobin-Pettersson-Boeser

Baertschi-Granlund-Leivo

Roussel-Beagle-Motte

(Extras: Gaudette, Schaller)

 

Edler(A)-Tanev(A)

Pouliot-Gudbranson

Hutton-Stecher

Del Zotto-Biega

Horvat is on match up duty with Eriksson on his left

[Kragar]

4 hours ago, oldnews said:

Lottery champions are still the worst team in western Canada.

In real life, odds are pretty high that lottery winners go bankrupt.  Sports imitating life, perhaps?

[Kragar]

Nice result.  Brutal reffing, but at least the refs got around to putting the whistles away for the Canucks too.  It was reminiscent of the 80s and 90s with that reffing.  Petey putting up with a lot of crap out there, worse if not more quantity than McD dealt with the last time we played.  Crosscheck to the head was good for a fine a couple weeks back, but I guess Connor gets a pass.  Given how in recent games Canucks were responding better after plays like that, I guess they had to put it in check given Oilers PP success and the close game.

 

Great to see Motte come back after the hit he took too.  Love his attitude.  It's players like him every team needs to be successful.  Relentless energy making up for any lack of talent.

 

So many things about Petey make me choke up some.  I love what he is bringing to this team.  I love how he instills hope.  Even his little smirk, and the confidence behind it, makes me feel nice n warm inside.  Bo, Boes, and Petey... lead us to the promised land.  We fans have suffered for too long, but I believe you can help us all out soon.

 

GCG!

[TheGuardian_]

I do watch other teams play but don't try to think too much about their overall performances but after seeing Edmonton against the Canucks for a second time this year I am developing a comparison to another team that had similar stats over the last 5 years. Colorado, they had many top picks and some really good players, they got a new coach and made the playoffs, but then struggled for 3 years to even be decent.

 

It seems the Oilers are following that trend a bit. The Oilers are hurting with 4 dmen hurt but there was just something else off.

 

Goal tending is suffering due to the dmen and their pinching isn't very effective.

 

The Canucks essentially played not to lose after the first period, they just played rope a dope and made simple shots getting the puck out and then a 1 - 4 neutral zone or a 0 - 5 neutral zone.

 

IMO Edmonton failed in one area they are very superior in, that being size, they were able to hold off almost all the dmen but it was the lack of hitting that I think didn't help them.

The Nucks did get more penalties this game but I saw another 4 really obvious calls not made, I guess the Nucks were just playing "they can't call them all" but this type of game would have been different if there was a scary point shot, the Nucks give that up consistently. They also an get caught over pursuing the puck in their own zone. sooner or later this man on man defence the Nucks play in the dzone will be used against them, just have McD skate around the perimeter with Guddy trying to chase him a few laps and there will be two guys open in front of the net, just use the Nucks as pilons and have them "pick" their own player.

 

Pettersson, well what can be said, the Oilers did go easy on him when giving him extra attention. Guddy was giving guys in front of the net an extra shot, until Lucic was there. I think Hitch should have unleashed the boys a few shifts.

 

A half decent game, the shooting percentage was otherworldly.

[CanucksJay]

2 hours ago, teepain said:

Unless someone get moved soon i dont see any different thinking from the management group. Same moves as earlier this season

 

gaudette

biega 

I understand its better to get Gaudette big minutes and larger role in thr ahl but what kind of message does it send to demote Gaudette amd keeping Schaller when Schaller is getting pressboxed currently?