spook007 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said: I think that having Gudbranson has helped to lighten that load considerably. Hutton finding his physical groove has helped as well. That being said, both players mentioned, as well as Tanev and Stecher have credited Eagle with being someone they look up to as a player. Edler and Tanev have been one of the more underrated parings in the league. He is a huge part of the reason that the Canucks are having such a great year. This... It still seems to just pass in over the head of some, how much Guddys physical ability, has helped Edler as well as the rest of the D-core. A massive thumbs up to Hutton as well, who has risen to the challenge. It almost looks as if the D-core is lifting one another step by step... Could Benning actually know, what he is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, spook007 said: Think you are very close to the truth... I'd prefer a shorter contract with a higher number to start with, and then a promise of an additional contract at a lower number if he wants it afterwards (with numbers adding up to somewhere around your proposal)... The numbers game would work better for Benning trying to fit a contender under the cap, once EP and BB have been paid...If the shorter/ more expensive contract require a NTC, then just add it... Not likely but hopefully him and his agent see the reason behind a 2 years deal with the ED coming and management works with him on that. It would just make it that much easier for him to stay here (which seems his preference). *fingers crossed* 13 minutes ago, spook007 said: Edler did play well with Guddy as well last year... ...and Stecher when they've played together. 31 minutes ago, Amebushi said: Edler has always been a solid D man for this club. He has been playing #1 minutes and doing the job admirably despite really being a #2 guy. Look at the trickle down effect at center by bringing in EP. Bo doesn’t have to do everything Sutter just has to focus on shutdown minutes (when he gets back). Edler is improving due to increased depth (largely more defencive forwards this year), better coaching and let’s face it...hope. Wait until Hughes shows up and Edler is going to look like a star as he won’t be the only D that can put up some offence. Healthy Gudbranson and the addition of Beagle and Roussel don't hurt either. Better and more offensive players also helping in the offensive end. It will be interesting to see what happens when Hughes comes on board this spring/next fall. They'll likely shelter him initially 5v5 but I could see him playing PP possibly with Edler and in more offensive situations (Hughes also plays rights side before someone interjects). But he could also look good on Edler's right side perhaps as soon as next Christmas season... Edler, Hughes Hutton, Gudbranson Brisebois/other prospect/UFA?, Stecher Never mind if Benning and co target Karlsson this summer... Imagine: Edler, Karlsson Hutton, Tanev Hughes, Gudbranson Pouliot/Brisebois/Sautner etc, Stecher You move Tanev at the TDL nex year, shift Hughes to the righ and recall (hopefully recovered and after a good, healthy year) Juolevi from Utica and roll in to the playoffs with: Edler, Karlsson Hutton, Hughes Juolevi, Gudbranson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: Not likely but hopefully him and his agent see the reason behind a 2 years deal with the ED coming and management works with him on that. It would just make it that much easier for him to stay here (which seems his preference). *fingers crossed* ...and Stecher when they've played together. Healthy Gudbranson and the addition of Beagle and Roussel don't hurt either. Better and more offensive players also helping in the offensive end. It will be interesting to see what happens when Hughes comes on board this spring/next fall. They'll likely shelter him initially 5v5 but I could see him playing PP possibly with Edler and in more offensive situations (Hughes also plays rights side before someone interjects). Never mind if Benning and co target Karlsson this summer... Imagine: Edler, Karlsson Hutton, Tanev Hughes, Gudbranson Pouliot/Brisebois/Sautner etc, Stecher You move Tanev at the TDL nex year, shift Hughes to the righ and recall (hopefully recovered and after a good, healthy year) Juolevi from Utica and roll in to the playoffs with: Edler, Karlsson Hutton, Hughes Juolevi, Gudbranson Looks Juicy... And yes probably not likely, but it would be the best for the club cap wise if it could be done like that. Big question is will he sign a 2 year deal only? If you add enough dollars he might, but not too sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 hours ago, alfstonker said: I don't think so. I think fans are just beginning to appreciate what a rock he has been to this team down the years. It is easy to play your best in a top performing team but it take character to carry a team, as Edler has done, when they were languishing in the basement. 2-3 Years ago when many Canucks fans were on his case relentlessly I read that Chicago were interested. I was fizzing at the thought of him in a Hawks jersey while our fans had driven down his stock and eventually the player himself out of Vancouver. Thankfully our GM had more sense. I always saw Edler up there with the Sedins, and it is only fitting he should get to retire a Canuck. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you a strong voice trying to run the Twins out of town before their contracts expired, tirelessly upset that we were gifting them whatever they wanted to the detriment of the team? Now you're on board with letting edler retire a canuck in the same way without getting assets in return for him? 52 minutes ago, aGENT said: Been defending Edler on here for years. Funny how even good players have their worst years on bad/paper thin teams with bad coaches/systems and injuries to not only himself but players that would otherwise share some of the defensive load (Tanev, Sutter, Gudbranson etc). Feels weird to have vast swaths of CDC on board, where they should have been the whole time... See the sig: You absolutely have been a huge Eddie supporter all these years, so a huge kudos to you. I was certainly someone who, although not very vocal, wanted to use Edler as a rebuilding tool to garner assets after some poor, poor seasons by him and the rest of the team, but to be fair, after 2011 Edler could've brought a mad return to help this team, so I don't think back then it was the worst idea. However, I'm certainly on the Eddie train again. I really didn't foresee him having such a resurgence such as we're seeing now. I absolutely would love to resign him for the rest of his career, as it seems as tho our young guys have reignited a fire inside of him. It's wonderful to see him have options on the PP in Boeser and Petey. Lock him up, JB! (For a reasonable AAV, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_T83 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 hours ago, captainhorvat said: No...hes just showing up because its his contract year. I agree. There are those players that just stop giving a full effort when they're not playing for a contract. I mean, look at how much Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin have fallen off. They were ripping it up when they needed contracts, and now their CEO + owner are calling them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 He is playing well, but Eagle is been a underrated part of this team for many years. He is a solid number 2 forced to play as a top D. He has been practically his entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Like Klatt “peaked” playing with the twins. EP40 is why this team is not flat on its face in the basement, let’s not kid ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_T83 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Tre Mac said: Two players reasons: Chris Tanev and Elias Pettersson. Tanev makes any d-man better, even Edler. This allows Edler to jump the rush more contributing to more points which is where EP40 factors in as well. EP40 gives the team hope in joining the rush and also give the Canucks more possession time in the offensive zone. The resurgence of Edler has been great, just hope this isn't a contract thing and he continues it if he resigns here. I also feel like Troy Stetcher has been having a good year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_T83 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Like Klatt “peaked” playing with the twins. EP40 is why this team is not flat on its face in the basement, let’s not kid ourselves. At the end of the day you're absolutely right. Without him, we'd be bottom of the league. That just shows how good he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, spook007 said: This... It still seems to just pass in over the head of some, how much Guddys physical ability, has helped Edler as well as the rest of the D-core. A massive thumbs up to Hutton as well, who has risen to the challenge. It almost looks as if the D-core is lifting one another step by step... Could Benning actually know, what he is doing? Guddy is still a whipping boy for those that subscribe to analytics as gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, spook007 said: Big question is will he sign a 2 year deal only? If you add enough dollars he might, but not too sure.... Yeah it would likely cost more in cap space (not an issue right now anyway). I mean he'd likely prefer a 3-4 year deal but with the ED, if he took a 2 year it would save us a protection slot and only mean a better/deeper team to play on. Then we re-sign him at 1-2 year deals and eventually slide him down to 2nd pair etc. Again, *crosses fingers*. 3 minutes ago, Jester13 said: I was certainly someone who, although not very vocal, wanted to use Edler as a rebuilding tool to garner assets after some poor, poor seasons by him and the rest of the team, but to be fair, after 2011 Edler could've brought a mad return to help this team, so I don't think back then it was the worst idea. Again, not likely (probably the least likely scenario in fact) but ideally you'd move him at this TDL for assets and then re-sign him in the summer. Vermette style. But that's extremely unlikely to happen so... FAR more likely, we simply re-up our solid #2D and let him continue to lead and mentor our D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Guddy is still a whipping boy for those that subscribe to analytics as gospel. Yep...utter rubbish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 hours ago, captainhorvat said: No...hes just showing up because its his contract year. He had a pretty good season last year as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Yeah it would likely cost more in cap space (not an issue right now anyway). I mean he'd likely prefer a 3-4 year deal but with the ED, if he took a 2 year it would save us a protection slot and only mean a better/deeper team to play on. Then we re-sign him at 1-2 year deals and eventually slide him down to 2nd pair etc. Again, *crosses fingers*. Again, not likely (probably the least likely scenario in fact) but ideally you'd move him at this TDL for assets and then re-sign him in the summer. Vermette style. But that's extremely unlikely to happen so... FAR more likely, we simply re-up our solid #2D and let him continue to lead and mentor our D. Spot on aGENT... This is exactly my point as well... Pay he extra even with NTC, if that's what it takes to sign a two year deal. And them sign him at different term afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said: Edler peaked years ago, coincidentally or not when the team was also at its best. He had been on a steady decline ever since. No he hasn’t. He had two bad years 2-3 years ago. Coincidentally when the team was at its worst. Hahaha Toi many sheep going off on the poor guy all the time. With Willy here, Edler has the worst two years of his career. So did a lot of other players. He was our best dman before that for years, and is our best dman again now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Stoch Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If Benning can convince him to do a trade and sign back in the offseason, I'd be soo happy. I feel like we could pry at least a late 1st rounder out of a contender for him right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, drummerboy said: No he hasn’t. He had two bad years 2-3 years ago. Coincidentally when the team was at its worst. Hahaha Toi many sheep going off on the poor guy all the time. With Willy here, Edler has the worst two years of his career. So did a lot of other players. He was our best dman before that for years, and is our best dman again now. Sure he has. His point total has declined and stagnated since 2010-2011. He's been sketchy defensively in those years and we know this too because people here always bitched about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Butters Stoch said: If Benning can convince him to do a trade and sign back in the offseason, I'd be soo happy. I feel like we could pry at least a late 1st rounder out of a contender for him right now. Late 1st + good prospect. It's pretty unlikely unfortunately. But I agree, it would be fantastic. Next best is just extending him (and FAR more likely to come to reality). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Tortorella's Rant said: Sure he has. His point total has declined and stagnated since 2010-2011. He's been sketchy defensively in those years and we know this too because people here always bitched about it. Yeah, and those people were misguided and lacking context. 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Been defending Edler on here for years. Funny how even good players have their worst years on bad/paper thin teams with bad coaches/systems and injuries to not only himself but players that would otherwise share some of the defensive load (Tanev, Sutter, Gudbranson etc). Feels weird to have vast swaths of CDC on board, where they should have been the whole time... See the sig: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 For a 3rd round pick, we sure got our moneys worth out of Edler. And continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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