Odd. Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: Link please thx. I saw greens comments but time line was not part of the comments i read. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/canucks-elias-pettersson-mri-reveals-slight-mcl-sprain/ Alright so I thought it was Green who said it but an author of the Toronto Sun named Lance Hornby said he's expected to miss 1-2 weeks. He must have had the inside scoop to report the timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: In all fairness, he did take a couple of shots...I believe it was Carter who also had a cross ice hit on him. The kind someone (Bieksa?) just said you have to avoid these days in the new NHL. Seeing this during the game, I thought it was worse than what it was. But he definitely does have to contend with a lot of stuff out there...Kings played him hard all night. It's how you shut him down but I'd also probably be whining if I was an Oilers' fan. Agreed. but Crosby gets played the same way and has for years. He still has his points, personal trophies, cups and medals. I could be wrong but I haven’t heard a penguins coach whine about the refs yet. McDavid simply has to play through it. The price of being great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, riffraff said: Agreed. but Crosby gets played the same way and has for years. He still has his points, personal trophies, cups and medals. I could be wrong but I haven’t heard a penguins coach whine about the refs yet. McDavid simply has to play through it. The price of being great. True. Had this (Crosby) discussion with someone last night actually. I like that EP doesn't embellish or look at the refs for a call. McDavid's starting to play it up a lot. Gaudreau too. I think that has a negative not positive influence on the refs. True enough re "being great"...comes with the territory and establishes players as such because they rise above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, debluvscanucks said: True. Had this (Crosby) discussion with someone last night actually. I like that EP doesn't embellish or look at the refs for a call. McDavid's starting to play it up alot. I think that has a negative not positive influence on the refs. True enough re "being great"...comes with the territory and establishes players as such because they rise above it. I could be way off base but I think you have to earn the right to “look at the refs for a call” ep and cm have not earned it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dank.sinatra Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, NucksPatsFan said: You're literally making up BS and passing it off as fact. First you claim there's no way you can diagnose the injury without an MRI when that's 100% incorrect. Then you keep citing anecdotal evidence, which by the way, if any competent therapist had done the McMurray test on your knee in those 6 months would've told you you had a meniscal injury Are you a competent therapist? You're literally citing nothing but your own opinion and passing it off as fact. I never said MRI was the only way to diagnose tears, I said they can often go undiagnosed before MRI. "At present, one of the most accurate tests for a knee meniscus tear is palpation of localized tenderness at the joint line, which has an accuracy of 89 percent. An MRI is 98 percent accurate. On the other hand, McMurray is only 58 percent accurate. Other tests, such as Steinman I and II, and the Apley compression and distraction test, are also considered less accurate." https://www.dynamicchiropractic.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=54404 "Results: The Thessaly test reported to have higher diagnostic accuracy values (61-96%) compared to the McMurray test (56- 84%). Although McMurray test showed to have higher sensitivity in the detection of lateral meniscal tears, the Thessaly reported to more sensitive for medial and higher specificity values for both medial and lateral tears" https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/comparison-of-the-thesslay-test-and-mcmurray-test-a-systematic-review-of-comparative-diagnostic-studies-.php?aid=70751 The McMurray test is not 100 percent accurate, as you claim it to be. The most reliable way of assessing meniscal tears is an MRI, end of story. My evidence may be anecdotal, but at least my conclusions aren't flat out wrong like yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, riffraff said: I could be way off base but I think you have to earn the right to “look at the refs for a call” ep and cm have not earned it yet. "Pay your dues" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said: "Pay your dues" Not to belabour the point but along with SC accolades he has also had numerous concussions and all his teeth knocked out. He is and should be one of the most respected players in the sport. If he gives the refs a sideways look, chances are he is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said: Am I the only one who's wanting him to rest rather than All Star? I know it's a huge opportunity for him...I'm just selfish and don't want to share him. Or risk anything at all for a pointless show. The NHL doesn't deserve him if they're not going to protect him. I'll get slammed for this, I'm sure. But it's just how I honestly feel. In the middle of the season, when you're at war with teams it seems odd to have to befriend them and sit next to them on a bench. I feel it should be after the season, not during. It is worth $212.5K to him to play in the All Star Game CapFriendly @CapFriendly Elias Pettersson earned $425,000 in Schedule 'A' bonuses yesterday. First the #Canucks rookie forward was invited to the 2019 #NHLAllStar game, unlocking a $212,500 bonus as a result. He then scored his 20th goal of the season against Ottawa, unlocking another $212,500 bonus. 5:37 AM - 3 Jan 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 10 hours ago, dank.sinatra said: What are you even saying? I swear I don't know why I even bother on here sometimes. Reading skills need attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Some close calls already with EP and we can be thankful that the injuries haven't been as bad as they could have been. Still don't like any concussion, but he's managed to slide through fairly unscathed in a big picture way. As he is being targeted, it's hard to criticize him for having an edge and pushing back...I refuse to do so. Would it make it any better? I don't know that he could have skated away from the last one, as some suggest. Not really wanting to argue it (it's just opinions on both sides), but "tangled up" means you can't. So the fact that he tried to respond versus not is a good thing in my viewpoint. Despite what Raisin (love Grapes, but let's face it) says. It is part of hockey to be subjected to possible injury. Especially someone who is such a focal point as EP is. Just pray it's few and far between and he doesn't change or start focusing on avoiding injury rather than playing his game. He is so focused out there and I hate anything to nag at him. Hurry up and heal, EP. There's a huge and gaping hole without you. Slashing and elbowing is the best way. Worse case scenario is your stick breaks and your elbow is indestructible from almost anything except for tendinitis. Bure elbowed when people were clutching and holding and Crosbitch slashes and spears like crazy and whines to the refs like crazy. Since I don’t want EP to follow the bitch model, and he isn’t Viking enough to do the Forsberg reverse hit without injury, I say just throw blind elbows and hide them as trying to shake the player off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 48 minutes ago, riffraff said: Agreed. but Crosby gets played the same way and has for years. He still has his points, personal trophies, cups and medals. I could be wrong but I haven’t heard a penguins coach whine about the refs yet. McDavid simply has to play through it. The price of being great. Crosby bitches enough to the refs that the rest of penguins really don’t need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 5 hours ago, erkayloomeh said: I wouldn't count on Demko being an upgrade on markstrom right now Demko is an upgrade over Nilsson...a big upgrade so Marky can rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Knucklehd said: I say sit him due to injury and maybe, just maybe the NHL will start to realize that letting your stars get mauled and abused isn't good for the game. Totally. Good point, and who cares about the all star game anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I’d run more tests before playing him that’s for sure. It wasn’t that long ago that we thought Juolevi was only out for a couple weeks! We’re on the tail end of our rebuild there’s no need to potentially rush our franchise player back out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, HockeyHarry said: Non tank nation= Fair weather fan nation Right. Because wanting this team to do well, generate momentum and build confidence as they're developing is "fair weather". I'd argue the opposite...that not caring about the here and now because you "hope" for something better down the road is more "fair weather". There are arguments to both sides. Tank nation is holding their breath, not concerned about today or these players but "counting on" future players and only interested in tomorrow. Non tank nation (or my take on it, because I am one of them) is to let the chips fall where they may. Lay? To want THESE players to feel inspired and motivated. Last time I checked, losing creates a real downer of an atmosphere. Harder for teams to bond in that climate. That's when you hear of rifts and players going at each other. I'd much prefer them feeling great, high fiving on the way out then spending down time feeling good versus bad. Going to war with each other, not against each other. Losing teams can unravel, quickly. Heads roll and people lose jobs. Guilt becomes part of that. We hear of team culture and identity. I know which one I'm hoping for and it's not a loser mentality. I want a team that wants to win...NOW. If they do, great...if not, there's a possible consolation prize. Seems a bit like a no brainer to me. I am hardly a fair weather fan. I'm an absolute (ridiculous at times) homer. Both proud and ashamed of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 The irony is that the ones who are the most pro-tank (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean) will bitch and moan when the team doesn't do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Brad Marchand said: I've seen green agree to a reporters question about this but green never said timeliness him self. The link provided by MoneypuckOverlord is very detailed regarding this injury.. it's on previous page. Calls for 3 to 6 weeks recovery for this specific injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: I’d run more tests before playing him that’s for sure. It wasn’t that long ago that we thought Juolevi was only out for a couple weeks! We’re on the tail end of our rebuild there’s no need to potentially rush our franchise player back out there. So right. The mayor of rightville. I had thought that this kind of rushing back into the roster was a reason JB said he'd be much more involved in the medical side of things this season. Yet lo and behold, they rushed back Boeser too soon as well with his groin injury. It concerns me that medical information I've seen says more like a 4 week recovery, for a mild MCL knee sprain. And 6 weeks until its fully healed. Surely to play high level major league hockey it should be closer to the 6 even. Yet Travis Green has been minimizing the injury and looks like he will be pressuring Elias to be playing in one or two weeks. Of course a competitor like Elias won't complain, and will want to jump back onto the ice. I can understand why TG wants him back as soon as possible, but this is one time JB must step in and put his foot down. I'm long past giving any kind of macho, chest pumping, respect when it comes to coming back early from a potential serious injury. It doesn't make the GM, the coach, and certainly not the player, any more 'manly' to force his way back early just to prove he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, kilgore said: So right. The mayor of rightville. I had thought that this kind of rushing back into the roster was a reason JB said he'd be much more involved in the medical side of things this season. Yet lo and behold, they rushed back Boeser too soon as well with his groin injury. It concerns me that medical information I've seen says more like a 4 week recovery, for a mild MCL knee sprain. And 6 weeks until its fully healed. Surely to play high level major league hockey it should be closer to the 6 even. Yet Travis Green has been minimizing the injury and looks like he will be pressuring Elias to be playing in one or two weeks. Of course a competitor like Elias won't complain, and will want to jump back onto the ice. I can understand why TG wants him back as soon as possible, but this is one time JB must step in and put his foot down. I'm long past giving any kind of macho, chest pumping, respect when it comes to coming back early from a potential serious injury. It doesn't make the GM, the coach, and certainly not the player, any more 'manly' to force his way back early just to prove he can. I said this in another thread. They rushed back Brock. Elias is the main reason we’re in a wildcard hunt. I can see them rushing him back as the team really needs him. I said watch management rush him back and he further injured himself and people gave me the confused face like it hasn’t happened before lol it happened to Boeser earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Tom Sestito said: Such a simple minded way of thinking about things. To be fair to me. I watch the games. Watch him keep pace when McKinnon tries to go wide. Pin Getzlaf in the corner, when he muscles his way to the net against most anyone else. Push Tkachuk from in front of the net, and a scrum never gets started. Think to myself there are good parts to his game. One's other players could not provide. And I take with a grain of salt when he tries to chip a pass past a defender on the boards when he himself is being checked. It doesn't get through, when Tanev gets to a similar puck faster and has it cleared. That he does not seem to have the instinct to hit the guy at the right time with passes in the offensive zone like Stecher, or Edler. And understand he has limitations. You? You feel your smarter than everyone, and crucify him for it. Or at least self entitled to be the one to profess Gudbrandson as the worst hockey player on the team. He sulks. Whinge, gasbag, and talk smack about the guy. Why is everyone else so dumb they don't notice? Your full of hot air. Thanks for your time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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