Gurn Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 41 minutes ago, kilgore said: So right. The mayor of rightville. I had thought that this kind of rushing back into the roster was a reason JB said he'd be much more involved in the medical side of things this season. Yet lo and behold, they rushed back Boeser too soon as well with his groin injury. It concerns me that medical information I've seen says more like a 4 week recovery, for a mild MCL knee sprain. And 6 weeks until its fully healed. Surely to play high level major league hockey it should be closer to the 6 even. Yet Travis Green has been minimizing the injury and looks like he will be pressuring Elias to be playing in one or two weeks. Of course a competitor like Elias won't complain, and will want to jump back onto the ice. I can understand why TG wants him back as soon as possible, but this is one time JB must step in and put his foot down. I'm long past giving any kind of macho, chest pumping, respect when it comes to coming back early from a potential serious injury. It doesn't make the GM, the coach, and certainly not the player, any more 'manly' to force his way back early just to prove he can.' A whole lot of conjecture here "Yet Travis Green has been minimizing the injury and looks like he will be pressuring Elias to be playing in one or two weeks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: I said watch management rush him back and he further injured himself and people gave me the confused face like it hasn’t happened before lol it happened to Boeser earlier this year. What further injury are you talking about, and was it in any way related to his back problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, gurn said: What further injury are you talking about, and was it in any way related to his back problem? I was referring to Brock coming back early this year from his groin. I wouldn’t put it past our management team to put Pettersson back out there early because well it happened to Brock this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Marchand Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 56 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: I've seen green agree to a reporters question about this but green never said timeliness him self. The link provided by MoneypuckOverlord is very detailed regarding this injury.. it's on previous page. Calls for 3 to 6 weeks recovery for this specific injury. I've seen material that says anything from one to six weeks. Here's one that says a grade 1 sprain can heal in as little as one to three weeks: Quote Mild or grade 1 injuries usually get better in 1 to 3 weeks and may only need home treatment along with using crutches for a short time. https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/health-topics/abn2411 Pettersson will also have access to better rehabilitation resources than the average person, so it's entirely reasonable that one to two weeks is accurate. Of course, every injury is different so no one will really know until it plays itself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: I wouldn’t put it past our management team Players return when the doctors say they are fit, not when management says. That said I have previously said I'd like a review done on the entire Canuck medical team, and procedures, as I am concerned with what seem to be a lot of misdiagnosis events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 7:07 PM, dank.sinatra said: I wear tight pants too, you could never tell my knee was a little swollen underneath. There's no way you could tell if his knee swollen from a torn meniscus while he's wearing pants lol. Torn ACL or MCL would be a way different story. A torn meniscus isn't really something that you can pick up without an MRI. 14 hours ago, dank.sinatra said: Ayyy someone on here who's not talking out of their ass. Congrats you're a rare breed. Oh, the irony 3 hours ago, dank.sinatra said: Are you a competent therapist? You're literally citing nothing but your own opinion and passing it off as fact. I never said MRI was the only way to diagnose tears, I said they can often go undiagnosed before MRI. "At present, one of the most accurate tests for a knee meniscus tear is palpation of localized tenderness at the joint line, which has an accuracy of 89 percent. An MRI is 98 percent accurate. On the other hand, McMurray is only 58 percent accurate. Other tests, such as Steinman I and II, and the Apley compression and distraction test, are also considered less accurate." https://www.dynamicchiropractic.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=54404 "Results: The Thessaly test reported to have higher diagnostic accuracy values (61-96%) compared to the McMurray test (56- 84%). Although McMurray test showed to have higher sensitivity in the detection of lateral meniscal tears, the Thessaly reported to more sensitive for medial and higher specificity values for both medial and lateral tears" https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/comparison-of-the-thesslay-test-and-mcmurray-test-a-systematic-review-of-comparative-diagnostic-studies-.php?aid=70751 The McMurray test is not 100 percent accurate, as you claim it to be. The most reliable way of assessing meniscal tears is an MRI, end of story. My evidence may be anecdotal, but at least my conclusions aren't flat out wrong like yours. Try again, just wondering where you got your medicine degree from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Yeah, I'll trust the word we've got over the wannabe doctors of CDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 37 minutes ago, gurn said: A whole lot of conjecture here "Yet Travis Green has been minimizing the injury and looks like he will be pressuring Elias to be playing in one or two weeks." Yes I admit it is conjecture. I'm just advocating weighing on the side of caution. Green did minimize it, and he has a bit of a habit of that. And to be fair, most hungry coaches, which they should be, are the same. But it is a kind of pressure when he states it will be only one or two weeks. I appreciate he wants to win, and its usually good to see the glass as half full. But I'd rather wait until the glass is topped up and overflowing, leaving no doubt of his full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, kilgore said: Yes I admit it is conjecture. I'm just advocating weighing on the side of caution. Green did minimize it, and he has a bit of a habit of that. And to be fair, most hungry coaches, which they should be, are the same. But it is a kind of pressure when he states it will be only one or two weeks. I appreciate he wants to win, and its usually good to see the glass as half full. But I'd rather wait until the glass is topped up and overflowing, leaving no doubt of his full recovery. I think it looks worse than it is. I doubt he would need more than 2 weeks. IF he needed 1 month or more, then it would probably be more than a sprain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, DefCon1 said: I think it looks worse than it is. I doubt he would need more than 2 weeks. IF he needed 1 month or more, then it would probably be more than a sprain. Me too. I don't know that he'd be doing a bunch of walking around, sitting for interviews, etc. if he was in a whole lot of discomfort. I think we/he dodged a bullet. Whew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Good news overall. Don't rush him back. he has enough lead to the win Calder even if he misses a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Such great news!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, Jaimito said: Good news overall. Don't rush him back. he has enough lead to the win Calder even if he misses a few games. agreed. He's light years away from this years rookie pack. I sound cocky but I think he can lock up the calder with 65 games even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stierlitz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 That was all the Pete's fault according to Don Cherry lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperlynx Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Why he should skip the All Star? He barely knows this city to be that devoted. And this fan base will dip him in deep s*t as soon as he hits his first real slump. I remember drugging the twins and Lu through mud on this forum. Dropping All Stars to please THIS fan base? Gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Right. Because wanting this team to do well, generate momentum and build confidence as they're developing is "fair weather". I'd argue the opposite...that not caring about the here and now because you "hope" for something better down the road is more "fair weather". There are arguments to both sides. Tank nation is holding their breath, not concerned about today or these players but "counting on" future players and only interested in tomorrow. Non tank nation (or my take on it, because I am one of them) is to let the chips fall where they may. Lay? To want THESE players to feel inspired and motivated. Last time I checked, losing creates a real downer of an atmosphere. Harder for teams to bond in that climate. That's when you hear of rifts and players going at each other. I'd much prefer them feeling great, high fiving on the way out then spending down time feeling good versus bad. Going to war with each other, not against each other. Losing teams can unravel, quickly. Heads roll and people lose jobs. Guilt becomes part of that. We hear of team culture and identity. I know which one I'm hoping for and it's not a loser mentality. I want a team that wants to win...NOW. If they do, great...if not, there's a possible consolation prize. Seems a bit like a no brainer to me. I am hardly a fair weather fan. I'm an absolute (ridiculous at times) homer. Both proud and ashamed of it! The quote they showed that Markstrom gave during the HNIC broadcast last night said it all. Everyone is positive when this team wins, when I win games, and we do it together. When I'm letting pucks in, not so much. Maybe someone could pull that one up for us all to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, DefCon1 said: I think it looks worse than it is. I doubt he would need more than 2 weeks. IF he needed 1 month or more, then it would probably be more than a sprain. I really hope you are right. I just hope he doesn't come back in only 7 days, just because that was the minimum time the team doctors advised, and added to that Green's impatience, and that he "will play through it while he recovers" kind of thing. I am always nervous when they say, "he is fine to play, even though he has not fully recovered, because the pain is at a level of "tolerable". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, Stierlitz said: That was all the Pete's fault according to Don Cherry lol I understand what DC is trying to say. Petey is super competitive. I think we have a unique player in Petey, the likes no one has ever seen. Generational talent, and hyper compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yes we can nucks Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: agreed. He's light years away from this years rookie pack. I sound cocky but I think he can lock up the calder with 65 games even. He's the alien. He's light years away in talent from most players. He's also super intelligent. I trust he will know when to come back. I can't wait for his third coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Stierlitz said: That was all the Pete's fault according to Don Cherry lol ??????? Cherry talking out of his ass again what did pettersson exactly do wrong? &^@# don cherry. The only people that like him are leafs fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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