Houston, we have a disconnect

[stawns]

Just now, Hairy Kneel said:

because he was being hooked by Kook

He was responding to the hook, no argument here.

[Iggynucks]

1 hour ago, Jester13 said:

Missing?

1) Trust in our coach and players' opinions.

2) Emotional intelligence. 

 

Don't understand?

1) That we're trying to win hockey games to make the playoffs.

2) The difference between a typical hockey play vs. a dirty hockey play (i.e. intentional vs. accidental) 

 

Disconnect?

1) Many here on CDC have never played hockey before, or at least at a high level. 

We have a winner. Especially the last point. Canucks fans are embarrassing thinking they know more than the professionals that do this for a living. EP and his teammates all say it was a unfortunate hockey play that ended up in an injury. Canucks fan reaction: "They don't know what they're talking about! My years of watching the game on TV qualifies my opinion far more than the players and coaches that have been involved in the game at an elite level." It would be quite comical if it wasn't my team's fan base.

[Odd.]

5 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I purposely stayed away from the discussion last night over Petey's 2nd injury of the year to try to get some perspective on whats going on with this team.

 

On the one hand, there's no doubt that this team is a harder opponent to play against than its been in years with the additions of Beagle and Roussel, and Bo taking big strides.

 

On the other, there's a real perception of the team being "unwilling" to engage physically in the sense of retaliation or protection. Travis Green clearly doesn't think thats a problem.

 

So in an attempt to add something new to the discussion, Ill put this out there: what are we as a fan base missing? what is it that we don't understand thats leading to so many of us feeling like the team is abandoning guys like Petey and Baer? why is there a disconnect here between what so many of us want to see and what Green's plan is? 

 

 

Look no further than our history of our star players getting  liberties taken on them with no response whatsoever. 

[stawns]

Just now, Iggynucks said:

We have a winner. Especially the last point. Canucks fans are embarrassing thinking they know more than the professionals that do this for a living. EP and his teammates all say it was a unfortunate hockey play that ended up in an injury. Canucks fan reaction: "They don't know what they're talking about! My years of watching the game on TV qualifies my opinion far more than the players and coaches that have been involved in the game at an elite level." It would be quite comical if it wasn't my team's fan base.

Don't you know?  It was all said so the evil NHL wouldn't increase the already present hatred of the Vancouver Canucks. 

 

They publically lied to avoid retribution.  How could anyone ever miss such an obvious red herring?????

 

/S

[Hairy Kneel]

Don't all sports teams watch out for their younger smaller players? I seen it with my son's hockey team.

It's a natural reaction.I didn't play hockey but I played rugby and if any cheap stuff happened we handled it. 

Our rugby team had three sets of brothers and if any of those brothers was cheapshotted there was a chain reaction throughout the team.

[spur1]

If you can’t beat them in the alley... you can’t beat them for the Cup 

[JM_]

2 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

Houston we definitely have a disconnect... 

 

First you say you want more push back. Your exact words:

"there's a real perception of the team being "unwilling" to engage physically in the sense of retaliation or protection. Travis Green clearly doesn't think thats a problem.

 

So in an attempt to add something new to the discussion, Ill put this out there: what are we as a fan base missing? what is it that we don't understand thats leading to so many of us feeling like the team is abandoning guys like Petey and Baer? why is there a disconnect here between what so many of us want to see and what Green's plan is? "

 

 

Then you say when we do/did retaliate that it brings the other team closer together... 

Which way do you want it?

 

sorry should have been clearer in my statement. I loved Guddys reaction, and want to see more of that, I was just noting that on the Tampa side the pushing they were doing brought them together nicely for that game at least. 

 

 

[RonMexico]

It was a close game and responding may have put the team down a man. It was a bad tangle up. That's it.

[xereau]

The code is still around.  Kotkaniemi is going to have to keep his head on a swivel from here on out when he plays us. And also watch for anyone connected to that game that may move on.  There is a code.

[JM_]

2 hours ago, Stelar said:

Its pretty simple, some on CDC are blinded with Canuck eyes. They see things only as Canuck fans.  They think the refs, league and world are against them.  I usually try to wait to listen to thoughts and opinions of people without blinders on to help rationalize my opinion.  Too many are quick to just post homer opinions.

I try not to be one of those and do get in other games when i can. I wish there were actual stats on it but it does seem like other teams are faster to respond than this team is. 

 

I don't think KK had any intent to injure, but still think it deserved some kind of reaction. 

[RonMexico]

2 minutes ago, xereau said:

The code is still around.  Kotkaniemi is going to have to keep his head on a swivel from here on out when he plays us. And also watch for anyone connected to that game that may move on.  There is a code.

I think it's written on papyrus and enclosed in some glass case somewhere so no one knows what it says or can verify it's contents. But it exists!

[ey40]

5 hours ago, riffraff said:

 

The most important thing that is not shown in this gif is when Daniel looked to the zebra asking "Are you going to call that?" but was Daniel who got the penalty.

[EdgarM]

5 minutes ago, ey40 said:

The most important thing that is not shown in this gif is when Daniel looked to the zebra asking "Are you going to call that?" but was Daniel who got the penalty.

I find it very hard to watch that even after all these years and I hope that the next leadership will never let this kind of thing to happen ever again. Disgusting.

[TheRealistOptimist]

The disconnect is irrational fans keep calling it a “cheap shot” or a “dirty play”. When it wasn’t any of these, the players and coach even told you so in their comments.

 

Petey was down for like 2 min, the players had time to watch (Sutter told you they watched) the replay and determine it was just a freak accident that he got hurt. 

 

Reasons why there didn’t need to be a response.

 

1) it was just a weird play that EP ended up on the wrong side of.

 

2) it was Jesperi Kotkaniemi another highly drafted “skilled” player who is only 18 and 180lbs. It was not a 4th line grinder trying to make a name for himself like a Danick Martel.

 

3) Jesperi Kotkaniemi went and apologized and gave him a stick tap, showing it was completely accidental and that there was no intent.

 

If the players watch the replay while EP is down and they already don’t think it was a dirty play and then they see JK go over and apologize. What would make them think they need to go pound this guy into oblivion? 

 

Most fans love to see a fight, for most of us fighting was a large part of the game while we were growing up watching. We love vigilante justice.

 

In this case this is just misguided, I don’t think most teams in the league would’ve responded to this same play on their young superstar. It’s just not a play you respond to unless MAYBE it’s a 4th line grinder who is the one who got tangled up with EP. Then you just send the message of you have no business being tangled up with EP like that in the first place. 

 

Most of the response you see from teams these days is from big hits, whether their clean or not. Yet again, this is not that kind of play.

 

Anyways Canucks fans are showing their insecurities on this one.

[riffraff]

41 minutes ago, ey40 said:

The most important thing that is not shown in this gif is when Daniel looked to the zebra asking "Are you going to call that?" but was Daniel who got the penalty.

Part of the disconnect.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

6 hours ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Because he was unexpectedly groped and lost his balance.

I wouldn’t have a problem with you grabbing my stuff.

 

6 hours ago, riffraff said:

Considering this is Vancouver, we don’t need the Wanderers but the Wong’s!  With a team full of Wong’s, they’ll know better than to mess with us. (NSFW - language)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hockey God]

There's no disconnect, just misunderstanding.  Benning and co want a team that plays hockey with speed and makes you pay on the scoreboard, which you cannot do by siting in the penalty box after retaliation penalties.  They have gradually take a slow team and given it some jets, and that will stand us in good stead in the coming years.  What I don't understand is why they don't have Jake on EP40's left wing, with Boeser on the right.  Jake knows how to play a 200ft game now, so really, just take him aside, point at Elias, say "That's the guy who will get you at least 30 goals for the next decade, police the ice for him by hitting anyone that looks at him the wrong way and create havoc in front of the net", and 2 things will happen:  the opposition won't worry so much about Elias when they know Jake is ready to level them; and room will open up because of this fear, leading to even better things for Jake, Brock, and Elias.  I get that Green has coddled Jake up to now, and it's worked for his development, but it's time to give him the responsibility for our budding superstars, and see what happens.  Jake needs to be given a chance to Glenn Anderson-lite.           

[SilentSam]

7 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I purposely stayed away from the discussion last night over Petey's 2nd injury of the year to try to get some perspective on whats going on with this team.

 

On the one hand, there's no doubt that this team is a harder opponent to play against than its been in years with the additions of Beagle and Roussel, and Bo taking big strides.

 

On the other, there's a real perception of the team being "unwilling" to engage physically in the sense of retaliation or protection. Travis Green clearly doesn't think thats a problem.

 

So in an attempt to add something new to the discussion, Ill put this out there: what are we as a fan base missing? what is it that we don't understand thats leading to so many of us feeling like the team is abandoning guys like Petey and Baer? why is there a disconnect here between what so many of us want to see and what Green's plan is? 

 

 

To your questions:

1:  a no.#1 D man

2:  a highly physical player that can PLAY todays game against any player.. eg. (Byfuglien, Reaves, Burns).

3: personally I see Green’s development of players is on, or ahead of schedule.. his deployment and assignments of our young core keeps them in their strengths while letting them work on their weaknesses.

Hutton, Virtannen, a change in assignment for Horvatt.. opportunity for Granlund.

its “what to do” with L.E. that reallly is a concern for this team.

[copperlynx]

I believe there was no intent to injure. Does not really matter in terms of response. Players should be affraid to mess with EP40. Like Bieksa said, a broken nose and willingness to serve a suspension is a nice leverage.

This is why Gretzky was so fond of Semenko and McSorley - he knew where his debts were, and who allowed him to blossom.

 

[-DLC-]

In a nutshell, I think it's twofold.

 

I think the team wants to wipe the slate clean, start fresh and establish an identity that sheds itself of the past baggage.  The Burr/Kes/Rome/Torres/Lappy image of being rats and scoundrels.  The infusion of youth, skill and speed and a new direction.

 

I also feel they don't want to be seen as 'soft' and whining and complaining is part of that.  They don't do much of that and I'm proud that they don't.  However, there is another element to being soft and that's being the good boys of the league who don't mix it up.  The Sedins got a bad rap for not engaging and so it's a double edged sword.

 

I think they're trying, hard, to just play a good, clean game.  Unfortunately, in league of inconsistency and constant error, there's hardly any payoff or reward for being "good".  Sure, two points on the board is the focus but sometimes it's just got to stray from the gameplan to stand your ground.  We stayed the course last game but still lost.  I'd hoped that they'd be slamming them into the boards every chance they got.  Creating chaos in the crease, etc.  "Mixing it up" without "fighting".