Googlie Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Tortorella's Rant said: Because he was unexpectedly groped and lost his balance. It's a Finnish/Sedish thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 hours ago, luckylager said: I may be wrong, but I feel like we're the only team in the league that doesn't go ballistic when our star(s) are mugged. Isn't that what Hitchcock said about our handling of McDavid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 The guys who used to take revenge on the other team's players for cheap shots for the most part don't play in the league anymore. There are still a few around but not many. I still remember the game when Scott Walker fought Chris Murray and got KO'd. Murray was a much bigger player but Walker was a tough SOB. Anyways, Donald Brashear went after Murray the very next period at centre ice and laid a beating on him. These things don't happen anymore as these types of players don't currently exist in the NHL. Watch some old video of Canucks games and you can see the difference. It all started when the Sedins became elite players, that's when we lost a lot of our grit. Boston pushed us around pretty good in 2011 and it's never been the same since. I don't see it changing either any time soon. The guys we are drafting are all talented players, but not many know how to fight. Gadjovich is a tough cookie but he may not even make the NHL due to his skating. Zack MacEwen looks like a beauty. He could definitely make the big club and provide some of that "truculence". Other than Zack though there is no one else in the pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Iggynucks said: We have a winner. Especially the last point. Canucks fans are embarrassing thinking they know more than the professionals that do this for a living. EP and his teammates all say it was a unfortunate hockey play that ended up in an injury. Canucks fan reaction: "They don't know what they're talking about! My years of watching the game on TV qualifies my opinion far more than the players and coaches that have been involved in the game at an elite level." It would be quite comical if it wasn't my team's fan base. Then what are you doing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Googlie said: Isn't that what Hitchcock said about our handling of McDavid? Maybe? But I don't smell of KFC and regret, and thus, am not Hitchcock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ey40 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, riffraff said: Part of the disconnect. Well the thing was during that Cup run, Mike Gillis told the guys the best retaliation was not to react, but to score on the power play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, ey40 said: Well the thing was during that Cup run, Mike Gillis told the guys the best retaliation was not to react, but to score on the power play. Sure did. and we are seeing a repeat of the mentality by always going after the two points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 The question that should be asked if the opposition thinks that any infraction on EP40 could cause discomfort to the Hitters face? There may not be many hits or infractions laid out. And if less hits and infractions happened would that not give EP more time and space. Would this prolong his career and increase his point totals . Seems that JB needs to reevaluate his thought process on his stars and his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Not retaliating because your worried about the particular game you are in and not wanting to be shorthanded is short term thinking and excluding the long term consequences of not standing up for your team mate. When something is done to Pete there needs to be a reaction. The way I think something like that should be dealt with is to wait a bit and carefully and cleanly as possible cream one of there star players. Or gubranson pick a fight with someone and completely demolish them. Tit for tat . As soon as there is a consequence of one of there star players getting hurt then these guys will think twice. As far as the OP goes and asking "what are we missing"? I would just like to say that the fans are not always wrong. As far as I'm concerned something clearly has to be done about this issue or we will eventually lose Pete. Last night that could have easily been the kind if play where he had a severe injury that affected his carreer. Don't respect greens approach on this at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: EP40 is gonna have to drop the mitts to send a message to the whole organization that that’s how much protection he feels that they have his back. It would gain him the teams total respect, the guys would step up for him anytime if he showed that he’s a man out there , he’s not afraid, and he will lead them. Right now I think we could lose every game looking for retribution and taking dumb penalties protecting the kid every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggynucks Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, 6string said: Then what are you doing here? Lol. Just stirring the pot. Although there are several like minded fans here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, Iggynucks said: Lol. Just stirring the pot. Although there are several like minded fans here too. I often say in here that I learn more from comments in here than I do from mainstream media, there is so much insight and many hard questions like this topic. Happy New Year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, ey40 said: Well the thing was during that Cup run, Mike Gillis told the guys the best retaliation was not to react, but to score on the power play. That's a huge can of worms you opened up.... Another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I would like to imagine when the incident happened Hutton went over there to smash Kotkaniemis face. I think in reality what happend was plain and simple an un intended injury with no malace EP was likely on the ice hollering in pain and Kotkaniemi was likely apologizing in sporting fashion realizing what had happened. Hutton skated away feeling like this probably was a legit accident from two young studs jostling it happend and it wasn't nessicary to escalate it by smashing an 18 year olds face over a jousting match between 2 light weights. Hockey is a contact sport they both engaged Pete fell weird it sucks I dont think there was intent to injure it just sucks Pete got hurt. It could have easily gone the other way. Kotka gave a shot Pete gave a shot back they both went down one got up. Boo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 hours ago, EdgarM said: This is what is SUPPOSED to happen when you TOUCH our superstar! Hopefully we don't have to have another one our Stars(Boeser) initiate it though. Not sure why you threw in the Steve Moore hit? That team didn't take any $&!# from anyone. They went after him right away and we all know what happened in the coming months. That team had Bertuzzi, Jovocop, Ruutu, May, Allen, Bouck, Brookbank, and guys on reserve like S.Pronger, Grenier all ready and willing to defend their teammates. Not to mention Crawford, who never sugarcoated anything and spoke from the heart. That was the last era that a Vancouver team was able to be labeled as tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Maybe some of us have been watching too long and our 2019 judgement is clouded by actions we saw in the 70s,80s,90s(even before) These new generation under 30 players may view the game differently than fans who used to watch gino wreck guys just for knocking Pavel down. To me it looks like its pure business for them. Loyalty to the logo on the jersey and the guys around them in the dressing room may be a thing of the past as we knew it in the 70s,80s,90s. Guys seemingly get traded and move around more than they used to. Loyalty seems to be tilted to the individual. Guddy is a tough character but most of his fights and mixups have been reactions to incidents that happened to him personally. Why risk injuring himself, and his 'brand', for another guy? Can you blame him in light of how much future money is on the line along with the transient nature of his job? We also know more about head injuries than we did even 15 years ago. Does a guy like Roussel go and start a war with Florida players knowing what multiple punches do to his head? Especially in light of the fact that he just had a concussion. There needs to be a balance here. I dont think this team will win anything until they are willing to go through the wall for each other. Thats what winning 4 rounds of playoffs takes. If your franchise player gets mauled and nobody reacts are these the types of characters that can go through 4 rounds of agony? But maybe thats 1980s Darius thinking...i dont know what to think anymore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Grit Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 H'mmm. Lots of opinions to like here. But Pettersson's a legit superstar, franchise player, right? Then you protect him, at all costs. Make it known there's a price to pay for fukkin with him. Losing 2points to a resulting pp goal, means diddly squat in a rebuilding year. The long term benefit of messaging it writ large and clear that Pettersson is untouchable, is far greater. My one and only only beef with JBenning is that we are still icing 'skill' players over character. We now have the skill, and plenty on the way. But, we have too many girlie Goldy types in the present squad to scare or deter anyone. No doubt we needed to see how these fringe guys could have developed, but with the sudden emergence of our Alien, that time has now passed. We unexpectedly, have the luxury of a different dynamic dropped into our laps. Please Jim, you gotta see this. Imagine a young line of Tkachucks and Domi - I would trade for them in one half of a Manhatten heartbeat. Alien would make them look like perennial all-stars. Management needs to wake up to the increasing reality of losing Pettersson long-term, and soon. He's their golden goose, and I hope (as pros can't imagine they haven't) they are already onto this. We ain't winning $&!#e this year, so why aren't we blooding those decent tough prospects that have shown some ambition? I'm not sure there's any longer an excuse if this trade deadline passes without finding a modern Brashear. Donald was no slouch either, when he was allowed to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 hours ago, luckylager said: If it was a guy like Roussel or Schaller getting all tangled up, away from the play and one of them suffers a freak injury, the thought process is - well that's the way he's supposed to play the game. Play with the dogs you get bit. When it's Petey, whether or not he was engaging in the battle, obstructing a bit and pushing back, then he gets all tangled up and suffers a freak injury... Why can't we send a little "I don't think so, you don't play Petey like that" memo? Pretty sure most of us would have been satisfied if Hutty would have just fed Kotko a few shots immediately afterwards. Punish the result, I don't care about intent, hands off the Petey. Just up the physical play, finish checks with force, target Mete on your dump ins. Don't just roll over. Is hutty the Nucks new enforcer? Seen alot of posts suggesting he should have responded in Pete's time of need.I bet you with petes pride thats the last thing he'd want is anyone having to defend him. Have any of CDC noticed him playing a little harder around the boards of late? I saw pete all over weber in the corner fighting for the puck at 1 point during the game , no easy task. The Calgary game also he was mixing it up, a big change from the beginning of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if ep is taking mixed martial arts lessons from George St. Pierre.6 months from now he'll challenging for a Conner McGregor match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Zach Parise said: In canucks players eyes, that wasnt "dirty" to them, "dirty" is like a cheap shot to stetcher to the head, is what "dirty" looks like in their eyes. Did they do anything when Stecher was Cheapshotted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Dannydog said: Is hutty the Nucks new enforcer? Seen alot of posts suggesting he should have responded in Pete's time of need.I bet you with petes pride thats the last thing he'd want is anyone having to defend him. Have any of CDC noticed him playing a little harder around the boards of late? I saw pete all over weber in the corner fighting for the puck at 1 point during the game , no easy task. The Calgary game also he was mixing it up, a big change from the beginning of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if ep is taking mixed martial arts lessons from George St. Pierre.6 months from now he'll challenging for a Conner McGregor match. Hutton was the closest one there. He was also slashed by Jk on that play so yes, I'd rather Hutton give an 18 year old a beating for 1) getting tangled up with our star player 2)getting slashed by Jk You don't need an enforcer when the culprit is an 18 year old kid. You just need to do something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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