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2 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

 

They can't go on a fishing expedition w/o probable cause...  The 4th Amendment would preclude that from happening.

 

That said, if the person who got her pregnant has his DNA on file whether from a previous incarceration or he or a relative has sent his DNA in to a commercial testing company like Ancestry.com, there will be plenty probable cause there to get a warrant

So that means a Judge would have to allow a DNA test to be allowed in a police investigation?

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Just now, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Unless they volunteer for it then it's okay, but if they deny it then a judge decides I'm guessing.

Exactly.  You'd have a hard time finding a judge that would allow a fishing expedition in a highly publicized case.  His job would be on the line and if they caught someone that way, the evidence would be disqualified at trial.

 

All they have to do is be patient and diligent.  There are states in cooperation with federal authorities that are building criminal DNA databases.  If he or a close relative ever gets sentenced for a crime, the DNA will pop and show a match.  Same thing with these commercial databases that are re-selling their customer's DNA profiles.

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41 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

Exactly.  You'd have a hard time finding a judge that would allow a fishing expedition in a highly publicized case.  His job would be on the line and if they caught someone that way, the evidence would be disqualified at trial.

 

All they have to do is be patient and diligent.  There are states in cooperation with federal authorities that are building criminal DNA databases.  If he or a close relative ever gets sentenced for a crime, the DNA will pop and show a match.  Same thing with these commercial databases that are re-selling their customer's DNA profiles.

It sounds crazy but every child thats born they should take a hair and blood sample.

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4 minutes ago, Cramarossa said:

Sounds like a huge invasion of privacy to me.

No such thing as privacy anymore to be honest.

 

Unfortunately we are all in the system and no way to get out of it.

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Update:
 

Police demand DNA from Phoenix care staff after woman in coma gives birth

 

Police have served a search warrant Tuesday to get DNA from all male employees at a long-term care facility in Phoenix where a patient who had been in a vegetative state for years gave birth.
 

Male staff members at a Hacienda Healthcare center in Phoenix, Arizona, were asked to give DNA samples as part of an investigation into how the patient got pregnant, according to a press release from the long-term care facility.
 

The chief executive of the company which cared for a Phoenix woman who gave birth despite having been in a vegetative state for 10 years has resigned.
 

Hacienda HealthCare’s chief executive, Bill Timmons, stepped down on Monday, spokesman David Leibowitz said. The decision was unanimously accepted by the board of directors.
 

Hacienda HealthCare said it welcomed the DNA testing of employees. “We will continue to cooperate with Phoenix Police and all other investigative agencies to uncover the facts in this deeply disturbing, but unprecedented situation,” the company said in a statement.

 

Phoenix police say the matter is under investigation. They declined further comment on Tuesday.

 

San Carlos Apache officials announced Tuesday night that the 29-year-old woman was an enrolled member of the tribe, whose reservation is in southeastern Arizona about 134 miles (215 kilometers) east of Phoenix.

 

In a statement, tribal officials said the woman was still in a coma when she gave birth.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/08/phoenix-woman-coma-gives-birth-hacienda-healthcare-ceo-resigns

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On 1/5/2019 at 7:25 PM, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Unless they volunteer for it then it's okay, but if they deny it then a judge decides I'm guessing.

 

On 1/5/2019 at 7:32 PM, SabreFan1 said:

Exactly.  You'd have a hard time finding a judge that would allow a fishing expedition in a highly publicized case.  His job would be on the line and if they caught someone that way, the evidence would be disqualified at trial.

 

 

Conflicting reports are coming in but it looks like they may be going on a fishing expedition after all.  Some reports are saying that they're getting men who work at the facility to volunteer to do the DNA swabs, and the ones who don't, they are getting court orders for, while other reports are saying that they are still seeking warrants/court orders.

 

There's no way that this turns out well.  If the innocent names get out on who was tested, there are grounds for a lawsuit against the city and state.

 

It may fly in Arizona's state courts if the person who did it gets caught and convicted, but federal courts do not look kindly on mass searches w/o evidence since they are a breach of 4th amendment rights and could very well overturn any conviction.

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1 minute ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Update:
 

Police demand DNA from Phoenix care staff after woman in coma gives birth

 

Police have served a search warrant Tuesday to get DNA from all male employees at a long-term care facility in Phoenix where a patient who had been in a vegetative state for years gave birth.
 

Male staff members at a Hacienda Healthcare center in Phoenix, Arizona, were asked to give DNA samples as part of an investigation into how the patient got pregnant, according to a press release from the long-term care facility.
 

The chief executive of the company which cared for a Phoenix woman who gave birth despite having been in a vegetative state for 10 years has resigned.
 

Hacienda HealthCare’s chief executive, Bill Timmons, stepped down on Monday, spokesman David Leibowitz said. The decision was unanimously accepted by the board of directors.
 

Hacienda HealthCare said it welcomed the DNA testing of employees. “We will continue to cooperate with Phoenix Police and all other investigative agencies to uncover the facts in this deeply disturbing, but unprecedented situation,” the company said in a statement.

 

Phoenix police say the matter is under investigation. They declined further comment on Tuesday.

 

San Carlos Apache officials announced Tuesday night that the 29-year-old woman was an enrolled member of the tribe, whose reservation is in southeastern Arizona about 134 miles (215 kilometers) east of Phoenix.

 

In a statement, tribal officials said the woman was still in a coma when she gave birth.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/08/phoenix-woman-coma-gives-birth-hacienda-healthcare-ceo-resigns

You beat me to it by a minute!  :lol:

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