Gaudette Celly Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Darius said: To be fair, what else is he gonna say? "Yeah we are gonna suck for half a decade, get used to it people!" . I always take what management says with a grain of salt. Is management parroting what ownership wants, do they actually believe what they are saying, are they putting out statements to calm down the fan base? Its politics. And so what if he did like the core players and thought it could be turned around in a hurry. The year following that quote the team got 100+ points (from 83 points in 2014). Id call that a turn around. Problem is it was the last gasp for that core. Not to mention, much of that core fell off significantly shortly afterwards. Higgins, Bieksa, Hamhuis, and the Sedins were still productive but after 2015 they took a big slide, not to mention three straight years of significant injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyHatnDart Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: Really? Any draft pick is ALWAYS a player/prospect until proven otherwise If you were a believer in the Canucks drafting now and believed they could draft better than anyone else, then you would rather keep a 2nd To me, if the Canucks trade a 2nd for a unproven 4th pick of someone else, what does that say of their confidence in uncovering (at the very least) another Vey with their OWN 2nd,3rd and 4th picks? Except, again, they were looking to shore up that age gap, and were wanting to win now. Vey had scored big points in the AHL iirc, and was able to step immediately into the lineup where as a 4th rounder or hell even a 2nd in the majority of the cases, are years away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, GreyHatnDart said: Except, again, they were looking to shore up that age gap, and were wanting to win now. Vey had scored big points in the AHL iirc, and was able to step immediately into the lineup where as a 4th rounder or hell even a 2nd in the majority of the cases, are years away. As much as Willie “I’m a terrible NHL coach D” liked Vey, do you think he hand a say in getting Vey here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyHatnDart Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, Alflives said: As much as Willie “I’m a terrible NHL coach D” liked Vey, do you think he hand a say in getting Vey here? Oh for sure he did. Willie had been around, had just won a championship in the AHL... I’m sure if he’d seen someone he’d coached that was available, he’d’ve mentioned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, GreyHatnDart said: Oh for sure he did. Willie had been around, had just won a championship in the AHL... I’m sure if he’d seen someone he’d coached that was available, he’d’ve mentioned it. Willie identified a player he was familiar with and had won with.... in Medicine Hat.... Two levels below the NHL. Vey is playing in Europe now and Willie will probably be there next year too... Unless he wants to go back home to SK. My point being... It's hard to identify the right players to compete and win with, if you aren't on that level yourself. Willie was and is not an NHL caliber coach. Hindsight.... Eh?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rodishred said: Willie identified a player he was familiar with and had won with.... in Medicine Hat.... Two levels below the NHL. Vey is playing in Europe now and Willie will probably be there next year too... Unless he wants to go back home to SK. My point being... It's hard to identify the right players to compete and win with, if you aren't on that level yourself. Willie was and is not an NHL caliber coach. Hindsight.... Eh?! Benning said he scouted Vey personally when he was still AGM of the Bruins. The Kings' farm team was just up north from Boston and he regularly watched them play. Vey was considered one of the Kings' top prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, mll said: Benning said he scouted Vey personally when he was still AGM of the Bruins. The Kings' farm team was just up north from Boston and he regularly watched them play. Vey was considered one of the Kings' top prospects. Both Willie and Vey were mistakes by Benning (and Linden)... (Benning wasn't a mistake by Linden though!)... That's okay... because he's learned. He's much better now then when he began (Can't say that with most of the GM's in the league). As a result this team has also trended upwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 4:45 PM, PrinceGeorgeGoon said: Not drafting Tkachuk was a mistake. All the rest came after. However you still need 2 years before you can call it. Maybe juolevi is a stud. Star D is worth quite a bit more than star forwards in today's NHL. Especially puck movers. Look, probably? Here is the thing about top3 draft picks. Ideally / hopefully Top 5? They are usually not just NHL ready physically? But elite athletes and skill. Here is the thing about Juolevi. He wasn't ready physically. But he had, and has NHL speed. NHL agility. Did not have NHL endurance. NHL strength. Like Jake, he did not do enough, or the right training when first drafted. What he did have, however, and still has? NHL composure with the puck! Watch D men who fail? They can be fast enough, big enough, strong enough? But cannot handle the puck? The speed of NHL pressure bearing down on them. And there are lots of NHL D, see Tanev in the defensive end? Who are simply very effective making the right play that gets the puck out of our end, releases pressure. And not just in the defensive zone. There are plenty of good otherwise NHL D, that will need a Juolevi to handle the puck for them. See Gudbrandson. I still recall Juolevi springing Aho an Pulji for long seeing eye stretch passes at the WJC's. Marner in London. Nifty plays at the line, which keeps things in the offensive zone. Followed by a quick articulate pass to Tkachuk boxing off his man also in London. Juolevi is sharp. Things we wish Edler learned are 2knd nature with the puck on his stick. Skill is very hard to teach. He will still be a very good pro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingleThorn Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 hours ago, GreyHatnDart said: Except, again, they were looking to shore up that age gap, and were wanting to win now. Vey had scored big points in the AHL iirc, and was able to step immediately into the lineup where as a 4th rounder or hell even a 2nd in the majority of the cases, are years away. 5 hours ago, GreyHatnDart said: Oh for sure he did. Willie had been around, had just won a championship in the AHL... I’m sure if he’d seen someone he’d coached that was available, he’d’ve mentioned it. Add to the above quotes........Vey played one of his NHL games against us and had a superb game. I remember thinking 'who the f is this Vey guy ?'. He had a couple of dominant shifts. He was viewed as being held back by a very deep LA roster. Being a 4th round pick was 100% meaningless at that point. I liked the trade. I hate losing picks, but I was happy to get Vey. Sadly, things did not work out as well as they might have. Stuff happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Look, probably? Here is the thing about top3 draft picks. Ideally / hopefully Top 5? They are usually not just NHL ready physically? But elite athletes and skill. Here is the thing about Juolevi. He wasn't ready physically. But he had, and has NHL speed. NHL agility. Did not have NHL endurance. NHL strength. Like Jake, he did not do enough, or the right training when first drafted. What he did have, however, and still has? NHL composure with the puck! Watch D men who fail? They can be fast enough, big enough, strong enough? But cannot handle the puck? The speed of NHL pressure bearing down on them. And there are lots of NHL D, see Tanev in the defensive end? Who are simply very effective making the right play that gets the puck out of our end, releases pressure. And not just in the defensive zone. There are plenty of good otherwise NHL D, that will need a Juolevi to handle the puck for them. See Gudbrandson. I still recall Juolevi springing Aho an Pulji for long seeing eye stretch passes at the WJC's. Marner in London. Nifty plays at the line, which keeps things in the offensive zone. Followed by a quick articulate pass to Tkachuk boxing off his man also in London. Juolevi is sharp. Things we wish Edler learned are 2knd nature with the puck on his stick. Skill is very hard to teach. He will still be a very good pro! what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 16 hours ago, Hutton Wink said: Chatfield has been injured for most of the year. And was playing their top pair when healthy IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Rodishred said: Both Willie and Vey were mistakes by Benning (and Linden)... (Benning wasn't a mistake by Linden though!)... That's okay... because he's learned. He's much better now then when he began (Can't say that with most of the GM's in the league). As a result this team has also trended upwards... though I was pushing for Green when JB came in, and I was no fsan of WD at all, it's a stretch to say it was a mistake to hire him. His credentials coming out of Jr and the AHL were impeccable and was considered one of the best coaches not in the NHL. His time in Dallas wasn't stellar, but I think he was likely on the radar for a lot of teams. All that said, I was not a fan and was happy to see him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 12 hours ago, stawns said: what? Edler does not beat, or walk around players checking him very often. Protect the puck? Mostly. Rotate the puck before pressure arrives, make good passes? Its the strength of his game. Not much dangle of junk in his game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Edler does not beat, or walk around players checking him very often. Protect the puck? Mostly. Rotate the puck before pressure arrives, make good passes? Its the strength of his game. Not much dangle of junk in his game though. Looking at the OJ pick, I can see why the nucks brass love the guy. Composed like Tanev, pans out to be close to Edler in size. The kid just needs to mature physically, like Tanev, but will be a more productive offensive player like Edler. Less physical, but smarter with and without the puck, like Tanev. He is what a Tanev Edler clone could conceivably look like. They know that both Edler and Tanev didnt start taking NHL minutes until they were 21. Again, OJ likely will start taking NHL minutes around the same age. If you had no d prospects and wanted to take the best possible fit for your team and your JB, wouldn't you want the guy who best represented the best attributes of your two best d men in one player? The jury is still out until OJ has had time to physically mature. Tkachuk was always way ahead of his peers in that metric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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