Tortorella's Rant Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Hickey, Reinhart, Ryan Strome, some others. Lots of WJC stars Pierre wet himself over that ended up being much less impressive than expected or complete flops altogether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Labelling Juolevi a bust is a tad ridiculous as he was playing very well before injury. He was playing pretty good and adjusting well to the AHL...but at the same time he has had his struggles. I watched a couple games live against Laval, Dahlen did great, first star of one game, the other the goalie was stoning everyone. It was a close game and OJ didn’t take the body and it resulted in the game winner, and the coach benched him for the rest of the game. Brisbois was far and above any other defender both games, smooth, relaxed great outlet passes and great defensive acumen. Wasn’t impressed with OJ, he was messy and didn’t do much despite the coach giving him all the juiciest assignments (until he benched him). Very small sample size (two games), Brisbois was good both games despite little special teams time outside the P.K.. I’m really not sure what OJ will amount too. Its too bad he’s not playing, he’s still young...but I’ve tempered my expectations. Was hoping he’s a top four and it’s obvious the AHL has mandated he gets every opportunity to get his points. But at this point im not sure he will even make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, IBatch said: He was playing pretty good and adjusting well to the AHL...but at the same time he has had his struggles. I watched a couple games live against Laval, Dahlen did great, first star of one game, the other the goalie was stoning everyone. It was a close game and OJ didn’t take the body and it resulted in the game winner, and the coach benched him for the rest of the game. Brisbois was far and above any other defender both games, smooth, relaxed great outlet passes and great defensive acumen. Wasn’t impressed with OJ, he was messy and didn’t do much despite the coach giving him all the juiciest assignments (until he benched him). Very small sample size (two games), Brisbois was good both games despite little special teams time outside the P.K.. I’m really not sure what OJ will amount too. Its too bad he’s not playing, he’s still young...but I’ve tempered my expectations. Was hoping he’s a top four and it’s obvious the AHL has mandated he gets every opportunity to get his points. But at this point im not sure he will even make it. I disagree he will make it and labelling him a bust at this point is ridiculous at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 16 hours ago, Outsiders said: Juolevi to be the next? if that is the case i can see the coilers coming a looking this off season for him and offering up a 1st and 2nd rounder in the 2019 draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7Nucks Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just another victim of the speed of the game. If I recall correctly he played on a very stacked or at the least a really good Oil Kings team. Probably inflated his draft status. Shame his skating never improved over the years. I really liked the guy. Had a cool name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: I disagree he will make it and labelling him a bust at this point is ridiculous at best. Ridiculous at best. What is the worst then? I wasn’t saying he was a bust, all I said was an honest review of what I watched live, a small sample size as I said, I’m not a scout but I’ve watched enough hockey to know what I witnessed. He wasn’t the best defenseman either game, Brisbois was. Maybe that’s because he’s more seasoned. Maybe it’s because he was off those games I don’t know. I do know he was on the first PP unit both games and didn’t do much of anything, and I do know that he was benched the second game becuase he caused a goal (eventual game winner in a tight game) that was easily avoided if he just took the body instead of trying for the puck. That doesn’t constitute as ridiculous, it’s just two games. Maybe he will be a bust, it happens, I’ve tempered my expectations. Bouchard scored as many points as he did draft minus one in his draft plus one year, and then went ahead after he was gone and exploded for over a PPG with little supporting cast. He’s injured during a vital development year, does that mean he’s back in the AHL for another year when he’s back? Maybe. Does that mean he’s not going to see any NHL action next year? Maybe. I can say that I keep in touch with what is happening in Utica and most of our prospects. Not proclaiming I’m an expert, Benning still says OJ will be a top four defenseman so I tow the line...but I’m not going to be disappointed if he doesn’t make it either, it is what it is. Out of curiosity how many AHL games with OJ playing have you watched? Have you even watched him play at all outside the WJs and if so what games? If you want to call me ridiculous you can expect some feedback, mine is maybe you need to spend some time and watch some games if you can find any on tape, nothing he’s done since being drafted has top pairing written all over it, maybe second pairing which is what management has started to lean towards in their propaganda machine for the fans....maybe so we won’t be too disappointed. I hope he recovers and kills it, guess we will have to wait and see. Ridiculous at best. I never said he was a bust but if you want I will and eat crow if he makes it as a good second pairing defenseman (which means he’s capable of taking over the top spot when needed). Are you willing to eat crow if your wrong? My best guess is he will make it and then proceed to be ripped apart by both the fans and the media if he doesn’t light it up and meet expectations. I will be stoked if he makes it, and stoked if he can hold a top four spot on a team with a true top pairing. Pouilet is also a high pick and he’s barely making the cut on a team with below average defense (to be nice). Some say he’s a bust already, I’m not there yet, but am not holding my breath either after watching him play. Thems the breaks. Yes he’s got some points, but his defense which he’s supposed to be good at, hasn’t translated fully in the AHL, and that’s a big step below the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 minute ago, IBatch said: Ridiculous at best. What is the worst then? I wasn’t saying he was a bust, all I said was an honest review of what I watched live, a small sample size as I said, I’m not a scout but I’ve watched enough hockey to know what I witnessed. He wasn’t the best defenseman either game, Brisbois was. Maybe that’s because he’s more seasoned. Maybe it’s because he was off those games I don’t know. I do know he was on the first PP unit both games and didn’t do much of anything, and I do know that he was benched the second game becuase he caused a goal (eventual game winner in a tight game) that was easily avoided if he just took the body instead of trying for the puck. That doesn’t constitute as ridiculous, it’s just two games. Maybe he will be a bust, it happens, I’ve tempered my expectations. Bouchard scored as many points as he did draft minus one in his draft plus one year, and then went ahead after he was gone and exploded for over a PPG with little supporting cast. He’s injured during a vital development year, does that mean he’s back in the AHL for another year when he’s back? Maybe. Does that mean he’s not going to see any NHL action next year? Maybe. I can say that I keep in touch with what is happening in Utica and most of our prospects. Not proclaiming I’m an expert, Benning still says OJ will be a top four defenseman so I tow the line...but I’m not going to be disappointed if he doesn’t make it either, it is what it is. Out of curiosity how many AHL games with OJ playing have you watched? Have you even watched him play at all outside the WJs and if so what games? If you want to call me ridiculous you can expect some feedback, mine is maybe you need to spend some time and watch some games if you can find any on tape, nothing he’s done since being drafted has top pairing written all over it, maybe second pairing which is what management has started to lean towards in their propaganda machine for the fans....maybe so we won’t be too disappointed. I hope he recovers and kills it, guess we will have to wait and see. Ridiculous at best. I never said he was a bust but if you want I will and eat crow if he makes it as a good second pairing defenseman (which means he’s capable of taking over the top spot when needed). Are you willing to eat crow if your wrong? My best guess is he will make it and then proceed to be ripped apart by both the fans and the media if he doesn’t light it up and meet expectations. I will be stoked if he makes it, and stoked if he can hold a top four spot on a team with a true top pairing. Pouilet is also a high pick and he’s barely making the cut on a team with below average defense (to be nice). Some say he’s a bust already, I’m not there yet, but am not holding my breath either after watching him play. Thems the breaks. Yes he’s got some points, but his defense which he’s supposed to be good at, hasn’t translated fully in the AHL, and that’s a big step below the NHL. Poolparty = bustaroo. Lainey has fallen off completely. OJ ... jury is out. Maybe the Finn’s big three weren’t so big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/24/2019 at 4:34 AM, Ghostsof1915 said: All this Edmonton talk makes me reflect on the trade for Griffin Reinhart. So what happened? 4th overall in 2012. Was it a weak draft for defensemen? I don't think it was a weak year for D-Men considering there were 6 or 7 from the 1st round that are looking to be quality defense men especially Morgan Reily (who looks to be elite) and Matt Dumba who were picked after him. What I think is the Islanders probably fell in love with his size which is easy to understand considering the previous two cup winners at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Alflives said: Poolparty = bustaroo. Lainey has fallen off completely. OJ ... jury is out. Maybe the Finn’s big three weren’t so big? Remember the debate prior to the draft at who was better Laine or Puljajarvi? Well one of definitely better then the other and at the time it was a surprise that PLD was drafted at 3 leaving “sure thing” Poolparty waiting until 4. That WJs they dominated and the Fins won. And is one of the reasons I don’t take as much stock in those type of events, though these best on best tourneys do help scouts. Sometimes it boosts players stock too much, and others who don’t have a great tournament but have a great body of work to consider, slide at the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mephnick Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 #4 OA doesn't really mean much. The talent pool generally drops off rapidly after the first 1 or 2 picks. Maybe 8 of the last 20 4OA's became useful NHLers (not All-Stars, just useful). For every Pietrangelo, there's 2 Brendl's or Zherdev's. Basically outside of top pick the draft is a complete throw at a dartboard. The difference between picking 4 and 15 is pretty much meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 That would imply Griffin had one good NHL season. He hasn't even had 1 good NHL week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferlands_Head Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/24/2019 at 1:45 PM, canuck73_3 said: Labelling Juolevi a bust is a tad ridiculous as he was playing very well before injury. Not only that, Juolevi has been trending upwards every year since the draft. Just last year he had one of the best rookie seasons for Defensemen in Finland. This year he was well on his way to dominating the AHL before he got injured & would've likely been in the NHL right now. He's no Griffin Reinhart that's for sure. I'm still highly optimistic about Juolevi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/24/2019 at 2:02 PM, Tortorella's Rant said: Hickey, Reinhart, Ryan Strome, some others. Lots of WJC stars Pierre wet himself over that ended up being much less impressive than expected or complete flops altogether Yeah that Pierre guy has always been such a strange dude. LOVES his hockey players maybe a tad too much for comfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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