189lb enforcers? Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Bye Bye Jake Gardiner. Coilers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: Playing a guy in his non natural position when it matters most... makes sense... I still think they'll go after a RD no matter what they're plan is. Plus even with him on RD they're still trash back there. Reilly-Tanev (or Pesce, Faulk etc) Muzzin-Hainsey Gardiner-Zaitsev That would be a good defensive group going into the playoffs compared to what they currently have. We ran Edler-Erhoff and that worked out very nicely. Just sayin'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Decent pick up for the Leafs, not a bad move for the Kings although they coulda gotten a bit more imo. Gonna be a later first but they've gotta do something to get higher end youth in their system. Could be good for the Canucks too, that's a D off the table. Assuming they decide to move a D that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, 189lb enforcers? said: Coilers? No cap space unless they move some big money. Perhaps Leafs want Lucic for playoffs......and five more years of anchorship? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: Decent pick up for the Leafs, not a bad move for the Kings although they coulda gotten a bit more imo. Gonna be a later first but they've gotta do something to get higher end youth in their system. Could be good for the Canucks too, that's a D off the table. Assuming they decide to move a D that is. IF Vancouver were to get that same package for Edler or Tanev I think they would take it for Edler in a heartbeat and Tanev in three. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Anchorship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 The good thing is this essentially sets the market for D. If Muzzin nets a first and two solid prospects we can likely get a decent return on Tanev or Edler if management does in fact pull the trigger on moving them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Bye Bye Jake Gardiner. Does seem like it, doesn't it. Curious if they have a trade for Gardiner brewing or if they're going to let him test FA this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, riffraff said: Playing with DD helps.... His 5 on 5 numbers are better than Poughty's. Meaning he's actually more effective without DD. DD feasts on the powerplay - literally all 5 of his goals are on the man advantage and 10 of his 22 assists - more than half his production on the man advantage. At 5 on 5 Doughty's on ice goals for is 1.7 per 60 (anemic), goals against is 2.4. Muzzin is 2.8 and 2.0. DD's corsi is 48.1% with 48.2% ozone starts. Muzzins are 50.5 corsi with 43% ozone starts. Muzzin also leads that team in hits and blocks.... I like the move for the Leafs = long overdue but better late than never. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Lu1ngo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bitter Melon said: The good thing is this essentially sets the market for D. If Muzzin nets a first and two solid prospects we can likely get a decent return on Tanev or Edler if management does in fact pull the trigger on moving them. It sets the bar in a sense but at the same time thats one less team in demand for a dman and so the highest price may hve already been paid on this deal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: IF Vancouver were to get that same package for Edler or Tanev I think they would take it for Edler in a heartbeat and Tanev in three. Agreed, though I don't think Edler will go anywhere. I'll be kinda surprised if Tanev doesn't though. This next month is gonna be interesting to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I've been on the sign Edler bandwagon, but looking at these returns, I'd happily send him packing. Honestly, if we could get something like this for any of our D, do it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: IF Vancouver were to get that same package for Edler or Tanev I think they would take it for Edler in a heartbeat and Tanev in three. Muzzin has yet to hit thirty and is not an expiring contract like Edler is. Not really comparables. And this is a late 1st with 20-30% odds of being a decent NHL asset, with a couple B prospects. Not exactly a winfall for L.A. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 55 minutes ago, HKSR said: Wow. Ok the Leafs may have a shot at this silver cup thingy. need to win a round before you can think of even getting close to lord stanley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 37 minutes ago, Monty said: but dangerous offensively if given space. Aren't they all? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Yup, it does - it gets you traded for a first round pick plus extras. It also gets you the honour of being a topic on Leaf boards when you don't magically help them win the cup and during the draft this summer the Canada sports networks don't know what to talk about until the second round. Hoping now that Leafs move up in the draft dramatically and the pick is a sleeper who gets 30 goals for LA out of the gate. Wow, growing up in the shadow of their dominance of all things media sure has me anti-Leaf. Hope to never change. I can't agree with you at all here. First, this is exactly the kind of deal the Leafs needed to make. I'm surprised they managed to upgrade their blueline this signficantly without moving one of their better assets - this is volume of relative longshots they've given up. I won't be surprised if the Leafs don't "dramatically move up in the draft". This is one of a few key moves that could rebalance their lineup nicely - without having had to spend assets most of us thought they'd have to put on the table. I think it's a win for them = and if they manage another move like this I won't be counting them out. They just have to hope this doesn't poke the Lightning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Leafs finally have one defenseman who can play defense. They still need Tanev to babysit the rest of their pylons, but now they don't really have anything we'd want in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 59 minutes ago, RRypien37 said: JB missed out. I don't see why he couldn't have gotten at least something close to this for Tanev. Has some kind of deadline passed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3. Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Muzzin is a brute. Hopefully the fans don’t ruin him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 1. Decent trade for the leafs, but not nearly enough. 2. That cap hit puts them in further trouble, Gardiner is certainly gone now. That is addition by subtraction and you don't patch holes by creating more 3. With that cap issue it puts further emphasis on the likelihood of Marner/Matthews/Nylander being moved before Marleaus contract is up. Can't afford all of them AND Muzzins cap 4. Muzzin is a decent 2-3-4 but really we've seen what happens when he's not paired with a gifted defensive partner. He's good with a quality defenseman. No question, but we've also seen him struggle with less defensive groupings. His skating is also good, but not great which puts him at a potential disadvantage in the faster skating east. All in all people are worried about what LA got, but LA did quite well in their return if they can retain Durzi and a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick. Finally, no GMJB did not miss out on anything, the worst thing he could do is react and just trade assets for the sake of trading assets. This team is currently IN the playoffs so trading Tanev makes no sense, like at all. Trading Edler makes no sense right now at all. The next 4 weeks will possibly tell a different story but for right now the Canucks missed out on nothing. Will be very VERY interesting to see the Leafs and wunderkind Dubas manage yet more cap and try to retain what they have without giving up more essential assets Edited January 29, 2019 by Warhippy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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