NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said: Nothing in my mind. I think Gaunce was better defensively from an eye test. Schaller to me is a bust. Yeah this isn’t an indictment on Benning as even the best GMs makes mistakes. Case in point? The same Bruins GM signed Bobby Orr to a contract (times were different back then as you could scoop up guys way early) while dealing Ken Dryden to the Bruins ( they same goalie that stoned them multiple times in the post season & a legit HHOFer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Just now, IBatch said: It has been, the Penner offer sheet was ridiculous 5 million at the time and Burke took the picks and started and it started a few years of media wars between him and Lowe. It was fun! It would be like some GM offering 12 million for Point or Marner.. One of the rare bad moves by Pat Quinn...he was playing hardball in the contract negotiations with a guy that hadn’t even played one game in the NHL. He was a much heralded prospect. The Laffs so an opportunity to get a blue chip asset and gave him an offer sheet which he did sign. The player was Ohlund. Good thing Quinn matched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 minute ago, chilliwiggins said: I don't think Benning wants to be known as that guy. He doesn't have a lot of trading partners to begin with. People have long memory's as well. I'm still wanting the Canucks to get back at Bobby Clarke for his offer sheet on Kesler. lol That really was a nuisance offer sheet as well. One, the Canucks didn’t have a ton of cap space but still enough to match that offer sheet. We had NOBODY on the farm with respect to C prospects. (Lol...unless you want to count Nathan Smith). B-Mo wasn’t getting any younger so you knew Nonis wouldn’t have any choice but to match (especially since the compensation was only a 2nd round pick). And it was hardly like we were a division rival. (Eg., make things hard for your competition). A pointless offer sheet that served no purpose but leave a little less cap space for Nonis to work with. Typical ‘jgjksfjskgfksafd move by a sack of manure like Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 This only works if we moved Point to the wing, I just don't feel that is very wise. He is not going to take Pettersson off centre or Horvat. I don't see Horvat being traded signed to the contract he is. It really only makes sense if we could get Point signed for around 6m which just isn't going to happen. You could offer sheet Point and then trade Horvat for a young Dman but is Point that much better than Horvat? You're going to be paying him close to double what you pay Horvat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUCKER67 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Benning doesn't make big trades or signings. He signs older UFAs as reclamation projects, band-aids if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Benning doesn't make big trades or signings. He signs older UFAs as reclamation projects, band-aids if you will. For now. What would be the point in signing a first time UFA up until now? Overpaying for good players entering their third contract would be pretty counter-intuitive up until now, Pettersson has changed that, same with Marksrom to a certain degree (the degree depends on if this is just a hot streak, or this is Markstrom 2.0, you know, a top ten goalie), Maybe this summer we will see a run at either Stone or EK if they are available. Our Swedish connection puts us in the running if EK goes to free agency, slim odds I know but we are one of a very small list of team that can afford him. I agree with your post, but there is a context missing. Beagle, Vrbata, Miller etc all have/had their purposes. The re-tool was a small odds for success strategy, but the club didn’t have much choice with the existing contracts...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 19 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Point > Marner. One is a center, one is a winger. Point scores more, goals not points they are similar in point production. Point is defensively very capable and if I recall correctly kills penalties for Tampa. Point at 8mil, as is suggested in the OP is worth one 1st rounder, 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder. Whereas Marner is worth two firsts a second and a third. Based off the OP I'd take Point over Marner 10 times out of 10. Even if all things the same I'd take Point at 10mil over Marner at 10mil. Also, I seriously think people over state how "bad" it is to offer sheet people. The reason most people don't bother is cause 9 times out of 10 the team can just match it. Very rarely do teams have RFAs and are unable to match any offers. We are getting to a stage where we are seeing teams being in spots where they can't necessarily match all offers. I think Toronto could match pretty much all offers. They have 13mil in cap space, according to cap friendly maybe it's wrong, and they have 7mil coming off the books in Gardiner and Hainsey. That's not including the cap going up potentially. So, I doubt we see an offer sheet on him. And Tampa has 3 pretty significant contracts in Stralman, Coburn and Girardi coming off the books. That's roughly 11mil in cap right there so they can match any offers up to like 12mil on Point. So from that standpoint alone there's no reason for a GM to offer sheet either player when any legit offer will be matched. Edit: Although I did not factor in Kucherov's cap going up to 9.5 next year when his new contract kicks in. Depending on where the cap goes to they might not be able to give Point 8mil. But I think even if the cap stays as is they might just barely be able to. I am too tired and lazy to do the math on that. I’d love if someone offer sheeted Marner for 13 million that would put Toronto in cap hell and a half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure1010 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Dats hockey said: I’d love if someone offer sheeted Marner for 13 million that would put Toronto in cap hell and a half Pretty sure leafs would take the four first rounders and laugh all the way to being outta a cap crunch. Not to mention the only teams that could legitimately afford that are not top tier teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alflives Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Bure1010 said: Pretty sure leafs would take the four first rounders and laugh all the way to being outta a cap crunch. Not to mention the only teams that could legitimately afford that are not top tier teams. What's the rule on those four first rounders? Could a team trade for late first rounders, and give those up, or do those four first rounders need to be four consecutive years of that team's? If a top team signed Marner to replace an aging star (San Jose) they could just give the Leafs four first rounders over four years that would all be lower than 20. Leafs would absolutely not get a Marner talent with any of those picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/6/2019 at 1:02 AM, Monkeyking said: I wonder why are people forgetting about BP and jumping over him for the MM OFFER SHEET OR TORONTO story. TB don't really have the cap to actually pay BP , he would be a bit cheaper cost then marner and maybe a lot easier to acquire over. 8M X 8Y BP vs 9-10.5M X 8Y MM lemme hear what u guy think about. and should vancouver try to hit on B.POINT what makes u think he'll be cheaper than marner? the only reason point gets less is because of the Florida tax discount. both those guys are on contenders, they might take a short term discount to win.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, Glug Datt said: what makes u think he'll be cheaper than marner? the only reason point gets less is because of the Florida tax discount Which is totally unfair to the rest of the league. Although, maybe the US markets could say it's unfair the Canadian teams to pay salaries in US funds, allowing players living in Canada a 30% advantage in local purchasing power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Which is totally unfair to the rest of the league. Although, maybe the US markets could say it's unfair the Canadian teams to pay salaries in US funds, allowing players living in Canada a 30% advantage in local purchasing power? it is an interesting conundrum.. it does generate advantages in attracting players, & some cities need that, some don't. I mean, I can see Edmonton and Winnipeg needing a 'northern living allowance' because they're miserable cities to live in.. and there's nothing wrong with living in Florida per se, but they've had some years of lean attendance, but so has buffalo. does Tampa keep enough talent to become a perennial contender without their tax break? I guess the panthers haven't, but there's been some questionable managerial decisions there.. who knows.. maybe AZ should have a tax break to attract some big talent..? not that it would guarantee a dedicated fan base, but it would take away any excuse. things that make you go hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure1010 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Alflives said: What's the rule on those four first rounders? Could a team trade for late first rounders, and give those up, or do those four first rounders need to be four consecutive years of that team's? If a top team signed Marner to replace an aging star (San Jose) they could just give the Leafs four first rounders over four years that would all be lower than 20. Leafs would absolutely not get a Marner talent with any of those picks. The team offering the offer sheet must own there own specific pick compensation. SAN Jose specifically does not own there 2020 first rounder. Plus they would need to resign or replace pavelski, Thornton, donskoi, Meier, karlsson plus a few more. Not to mention In order to succeed you must always be replenishing the farm system. That’d be a lot of money and futures tied up in 1 player. Yes he is a great player but As the oilers have proven (I know the sharks aren’t the oilers) the best player in the world can’t carry a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, Bure1010 said: The team offering the offer sheet must own there own specific pick compensation. SAN Jose specifically does not own there 2020 first rounder. Plus they would need to resign or replace pavelski, Thornton, donskoi, Meier, karlsson plus a few more. Not to mention In order to succeed you must always be replenishing the farm system. That’d be a lot of money and futures tied up in 1 player. Yes he is a great player but As the oilers have proven (I know the sharks aren’t the oilers) the best player in the world can’t carry a team. thank you for the clarification. So, signing Marner to an offer sheet, that is not matched, would be suicide for a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 We are probably much better off playing nice and making a trade with Tampa that helps them out and gives us some extra talent. Tyler Johnson would make an excellent 2nd line player for us. He plays all three forward positions and puts up solid points while still getting Selke votes as great defensively. If Tampa tells him that they want to move on from him, he could be willing to waive to come here since he is from Spokane and he can be close to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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