Tryamkins contract rights and its value.

[J.I.A.H.N]

Edler + Stecher

Hughes + Tanev

Juolevi + Tramkin

Brisebois + Gudbranson

            and 

Sauntner + Woo (Jr)

McEneny  + Chatield

Rathbone + 2019 2nd

[J.I.A.H.N]

1 minute ago, TNucks1 said:

4 mill?

I don't know...….just a number, but no bigger than that...not much smaller3.25-3.5???

Honestly, don't know......

[TNucks1]

3 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I don't know...….just a number, but no bigger than that...not much smaller3.25-3.5???

Honestly, don't know......

i think 3.25 sounds about right dont think he's really done much or enough to warrant much higher.

[SilentSam]

8 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I don't know...….just a number, but no bigger than that...not much smaller3.25-3.5???

Honestly, don't know......

 

3year 11m

(3.5 for 2. /4m for 1)

1m signing bonus (KHL buyout)

 

[J.I.A.H.N]

2 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

3year 11m

(3.5 for 2. /4m for 1)

1m signing bonus (KHL buyout)

 

That make complete sense to me...…..

 

In saying that, it continues to amaze me, when the actual contract comes out...……..

 

I also have the feeling he will be coming back this year...…..SilentSam

 

I think it is important to know, before the draft...It could change Benning's selection

[smokes]

Tryamkin and Woo would be a scary match up for any top line.

[SilentSam]

1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said:

That make complete sense to me...…..

 

In saying that, it continues to amaze me, when the actual contract comes out...……..

 

I also have the feeling he will be coming back this year...…..SilentSam

 

I think it is important to know, before the draft...It could change Benning's selection

I really hope Avtomobilist wins the KHL Championship.

it will be a proud accomplishment for Nikita. It also might help him “move on” to the NHL.

Yes, Benning, and Green should personally visit with Nik before the draft.. it’s the only way to know themselves, that they have done the best they can before his contract in the KHL expires.

I think if Nik realizes that kind of money is there.. he would be happy, and feel welcome.

[TheGuardian_]

8 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I don't know...….just a number, but no bigger than that...not much smaller3.25-3.5???

Honestly, don't know......

Gudbranson numbers. Faster, bigger, younger, better protector (per game avg), much better shot.

 

Get him into a house outside downtown Vancouver, if the team can spend extra millions on older vets then spend the million to buy out his contract and help him off the ice.

Although the 2020/2021 season still looks like a labour stoppage, he should be signed anyway at the end of his 2020 KHL season.

 

3.5 - 4 mi for 3 years with 6/7 mil signing bonus and find a house

[J.I.A.H.N]

6 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Gudbranson numbers. Faster, bigger, younger, better protector (per game avg), much better shot.

 

Get him into a house outside downtown Vancouver, if the team can spend extra millions on older vets then spend the million to buy out his contract and help him off the ice.

Although the 2020/2021 season still looks like a labour stoppage, he should be signed anyway at the end of his 2020 KHL season.

 

3.5 - 4 mi for 3 years with 6/7 mil signing bonus and find a house

Not laughing at you Guardian....but your sense of urgency, which I share.....came out on your post.....I could almost hear you! 

[TheGuardian_]

16 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Not laughing at you Guardian....but your sense of urgency, which I share.....came out on your post.....I could almost hear you! 

Worried his idiot will trade his rights to Boston for one of their 4 th round picks from 2012, another 27 yr old AHLer and claim it is a youth deal.

 

Nah, Benning wouldn't do that, not even he would blunder that badly. Dmen Tryamkin's size and skating are rare.

 

He should come onto the team as a top pairing, a worst a 3/4 pairing and given some PP time, his wrist shot is wicked and his slap shot, he should be treated the same as these other new arrivals, put with the best players and in the best opportunities, he was already able to do 20+ min. Best rookie dman in a decade.

[JM_]

14 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I think the difference is Dadonov was drafted under the previous CBA so the rules on defected players are different in the new CBA.

 

so I think p34 of the CBA is where it comes in:

 

3. (iv)  Application of League By-Law Section 15. Anything to the contrary in this Section 10.2(b) notwithstanding, until all of the conditions specified in Section 10.2(b)(ii) have occurred, the Club with which any Player covered by Section 10.2(b)(i) was last under SPC, or in the case of defected Players referred to in Section 10.2(b)(i)(C), the Club which now or hereafter owns, through an NHL Entry Draft or through a proper transfer or assignment from another Club or otherwise, the professional rights or the right to negotiate for said professional rights, shall be deemed to continue to hold such professional or negotiating rights and the provisions of League By-Law Section 15 shall be applicable.

hey @SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME

 

sorry i can't find the article where the correction was made on Nik's status, but I'm certain 10.2 is the key. Below is a similar situation with Vegas and Gusev, the difference is Gusev didn't sign, but there's a section in 10.2 for Tryamkins situation that puts him in the "defected player" category as well. 

 

If you check out each teams reserve list there are a lot of guys in the "indefinite" category now. So with Nik being on our reserve list and shown as indefinite he's in the "defected" category, which is where cap friendly has him: https://www.capfriendly.com/reserve-list-faq#non-transfer-league

 

 

http://goldenknightswatch.com/index.php/2018/10/08/no-collusion-the-golden-knights-russian-invasion-may-be-closer-than-you-think/

When do the Golden Knights lose Gusev’s Rights?

Contrary to popular belief, the Golden Knights will retain Gusev’s rights indefinitely as long as he remains in the KHL.  Generally, a player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent (UFA) when he either completes 7 seasons in the NHL or on the first June 30th after he turns 27 (Article 10.1 of the NHL CBA).  However, there is a specific exception for “Defected Players” like Gusev.

Under CBA Article 10.2(b)(i)(B) a player is considered “defected” if he has been drafted but has never signed a contract in the NHL or a league which has a transfer agreement with the NHL.  Because the NHL and KHL (or the lower-tier Russian leagues) do not have a transfer agreement, virtually every player drafted out of Russia is considered a defected player until they sign in the NHL, and the team that owns the player’s draft rights will own them indefinitely.  Other examples of players  whose draft rights continued after they turned 27 are  Anton Krysanov (drafted 2005 by Arizona) and Sergei Gayduchenko (drafted 2007 by Florida)

In other words, Gusev’s only route to the NHL is through the Golden Knights.

 

 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

13 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

hey @SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME

 

sorry i can't find the article where the correction was made on Nik's status, but I'm certain 10.2 is the key. Below is a similar situation with Vegas and Gusev, the difference is Gusev didn't sign, but there's a section in 10.2 for Tryamkins situation that puts him in the "defected player" category as well. 

 

If you check out each teams reserve list there are a lot of guys in the "indefinite" category now. So with Nik being on our reserve list and shown as indefinite he's in the "defected" category, which is where cap friendly has him: https://www.capfriendly.com/reserve-list-faq#non-transfer-league

 

 

http://goldenknightswatch.com/index.php/2018/10/08/no-collusion-the-golden-knights-russian-invasion-may-be-closer-than-you-think/

When do the Golden Knights lose Gusev’s Rights?

Contrary to popular belief, the Golden Knights will retain Gusev’s rights indefinitely as long as he remains in the KHL.  Generally, a player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent (UFA) when he either completes 7 seasons in the NHL or on the first June 30th after he turns 27 (Article 10.1 of the NHL CBA).  However, there is a specific exception for “Defected Players” like Gusev.

Under CBA Article 10.2(b)(i)(B) a player is considered “defected” if he has been drafted but has never signed a contract in the NHL or a league which has a transfer agreement with the NHL.  Because the NHL and KHL (or the lower-tier Russian leagues) do not have a transfer agreement, virtually every player drafted out of Russia is considered a defected player until they sign in the NHL, and the team that owns the player’s draft rights will own them indefinitely.  Other examples of players  whose draft rights continued after they turned 27 are  Anton Krysanov (drafted 2005 by Arizona) and Sergei Gayduchenko (drafted 2007 by Florida)

In other words, Gusev’s only route to the NHL is through the Golden Knights.

 

 

You might be right.

 

But my understanding is that section 10.1 would supercede section 10.2, in cases where the player has actually completed his first SPC.

 

“10.1 Unrestricted Free Agents.
(a) Group 3 Players and Free Agents.
(i) Any Player who either has seven (7) Accrued Seasons or is 27 years of age or older as of June 30 of the end of a League Year, shall, if his most recent SPC has expired, with such expiry occurring either as of June 30 of such League Year or June 30 of any prior League Year, become an Unrestricted Free Agent. Such Player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with such Player, without penalty or restriction, or being subject to any Right of First Refusal, Draft Choice Compensation or any other compensation or equalization obligation of any kind.
(ii) An Unrestricted Free Agent shall not be subject to any limitations on the period of time before which he may qualify as an Unrestricted Free Agent again, or to any limitations on the number of times he may become an Unrestricted Free Agent, except for a Group 5 Player, who may only elect to become a Group 5 Player once, but who may qualify to be another type of Unrestricted Free Agent in accordance with the terms of this Agreement.”

 

I think in cases where it’s a drafted player that was never signed, or a player that bolted in the middle of their contract, you get indefinite rights that are unlimited and would last either the lifetime of the player, or until they returned to the NHL and completed a contract.

 

But in cases like Tryamkin’s, where he’s completed his full ELC, I think the mechanism in 10.1 would come into play, once he hits Group 3 free agent requirements.

 

Also, I noticed this bit about defected players in section 10.2 (b) (i) (C):

 

“A Player who plays out his final season and enters into a contract for a period including the following season with an unaffiliated club or with any other professional hockey club shall not be deemed to be a "Defected Player"; provided, however, that nothing contained in this Section shall be construed to affect the rights of said Club to compensation, if applicable, pursuant to this Article 10 in the event that said Player should subsequently enter into an SPC for his services as a professional hockey player with another Club of the NHL.”

 

That section seems to suggest a player who plays out his SPC before joining an unaffiliated league would “not be deemed to be a ‘Defected Player’” and therefore would not be subject to “indefinite” rights.

 

It seems more a case that the player would have a sort of “indefinite” RFA status, so long as they remain with the unaffiliated league. The club that holds their NHL rights (through extending a qualifying offer) would retain the right of first refusal and the right to compensation for the duration. And this would last until the player reaches Group 3 status.

 

Of course, I could be wrong on this. And I would not be surprised if Ryan Biech changed his position at some point subsequent to the article I quoted initially. Lately, Biecher seems to change his CBA interpretations more frequently than costume changes at a Beyoncé concert.  (I’m kidding Ryan).

 

But these two tweets lead me to believe Biech got confirmation at some point that Tryamkin’s rights expire July 1, 2022 (when he hits Group 3 status):

 

 

 

Now, I don’t know how he arrived at this confirmation. Maybe he contacted a source, or maybe he just looked it up himself in the CBA. Maybe he just went and had a coffee before firing off a new tweet. But for me, “have confirmed” is a pretty strong statement, and implies that he indeed received confirmation on the July 1, 2022 expiration date. It’s possibly he received bad information, and has changed his position, but I would like to see the details of his new interpretation before I change my own.

 

I would agree that 10.2 “Defected Player” status and indefinite rights come into play with unsigned draft picks and players who leave for nonaffiliated leagues before competing their NHL SPC. But Tryamkin doesn’t seem to fit either of those categories, so I feel like 10.1 (Group 3 free agency) is still in play with Tryamkin, and should come into effect July 1, 2022.

[*Buzzsaw*]

On 2/18/2019 at 3:28 PM, Odd. said:

Well Tryamkin is not having a good year right now in the KHL. He was given the captaincy and was stripped a month later due to his poor performances. He's been scratched on many occasions for his questionable play and has some sort of apparent attitude problem. 

 

I also realized after sometime that Tryamkin despite being a behemoth is not really a mean physical player. He wasn't a good fighter, most of his fights were forced, and used his strength to keep himself afloat on most fights, and if he does come here, I hope we don't try to force him to be something he isn't. That being said, what else is he good for? He's not a physical defenseman that everyone wants him to be, and to be honest, that's probably the only reason why we would want him unless he can develop a different aspect to his game, but everything he has we already have.

 

I would be down to give him another go. But the attitude has got to go.

This has to be the most inaccurate assessment of Tryamkin and the facts I have ever seen.

 

Not having a good year in the KHL???  Tryamkin has been selected to the KHL 1st Allstar team for the second year in a row.... that's a bad season???

 

Not a physical player.... why don't you go back and look at some of the video in Vancouver... he put more players on the injury list than just about anyone in the NHL the year he played... and not by cheap-shotting them... just simple physical play.

 

He won all his fights by a large margin... and several times the players he fought went out with injuries.  (Benn for one)

 

He had a better plus/minus than most on the team in the year he played... which was an abysmal Canuck team.

 

Go out and really research the facts before you come out and post nonsense.

[JM_]

5 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

You might be right.

 

But my understanding is that section 10.1 would supercede section 10.2, in cases where the player has actually completed his first SPC.

 

“10.1 Unrestricted Free Agents.
(a) Group 3 Players and Free Agents.
(i) Any Player who either has seven (7) Accrued Seasons or is 27 years of age or older as of June 30 of the end of a League Year, shall, if his most recent SPC has expired, with such expiry occurring either as of June 30 of such League Year or June 30 of any prior League Year, become an Unrestricted Free Agent. Such Player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with such Player, without penalty or restriction, or being subject to any Right of First Refusal, Draft Choice Compensation or any other compensation or equalization obligation of any kind.
(ii) An Unrestricted Free Agent shall not be subject to any limitations on the period of time before which he may qualify as an Unrestricted Free Agent again, or to any limitations on the number of times he may become an Unrestricted Free Agent, except for a Group 5 Player, who may only elect to become a Group 5 Player once, but who may qualify to be another type of Unrestricted Free Agent in accordance with the terms of this Agreement.”

 

I think in cases where it’s a drafted player that was never signed, or a player that bolted in the middle of their contract, you get indefinite rights that are unlimited and would last either the lifetime of the player, or until they returned to the NHL and completed a contract.

 

But in cases like Tryamkin’s, where he’s completed his full ELC, I think the mechanism in 10.1 would come into play, once he hits Group 3 free agent requirements.

 

Also, I noticed this bit about defected players in section 10.2 (b) (i) (C):

 

“A Player who plays out his final season and enters into a contract for a period including the following season with an unaffiliated club or with any other professional hockey club shall not be deemed to be a "Defected Player"; provided, however, that nothing contained in this Section shall be construed to affect the rights of said Club to compensation, if applicable, pursuant to this Article 10 in the event that said Player should subsequently enter into an SPC for his services as a professional hockey player with another Club of the NHL.”

 

That section seems to suggest a player who plays out his SPC before joining an unaffiliated league would “not be deemed to be a ‘Defected Player’” and therefore would not be subject to “indefinite” rights.

 

It seems more a case that the player would have a sort of “indefinite” RFA status, so long as they remain with the unaffiliated league. The club that holds their NHL rights (through extending a qualifying offer) would retain the right of first refusal and the right to compensation for the duration. And this would last until the player reaches Group 3 status.

 

Of course, I could be wrong on this. And I would not be surprised if Ryan Biech changed his position at some point subsequent to the article I quoted initially. Lately, Biecher seems to change his CBA interpretations more frequently than costume changes at a Beyoncé concert.  (I’m kidding Ryan).

 

But these two tweets lead me to believe Biech got confirmation at some point that Tryamkin’s rights expire July 1, 2022 (when he hits Group 3 status):

 

 

 

Now, I don’t know how he arrived at this confirmation. Maybe he contacted a source, or maybe he just looked it up himself in the CBA. Maybe he just went and had a coffee before firing off a new tweet. But for me, “have confirmed” is a pretty strong statement, and implies that he indeed received confirmation on the July 1, 2022 expiration date. It’s possibly he received bad information, and has changed his position, but I would like to see the details of his new interpretation before I change my own.

 

I would agree that 10.2 “Defected Player” status and indefinite rights come into play with unsigned draft picks and players who leave for nonaffiliated leagues before competing their NHL SPC. But Tryamkin doesn’t seem to fit either of those categories, so I feel like 10.1 (Group 3 free agency) is still in play with Tryamkin, and should come into effect July 1, 2022.

yeah there is a lot to sift through. The way I read it, Nik's rights are owned by the Canucks indefinitely, but at age 27 he gets to negotiate with us as if he had UFA status. 

 

But after reading what you wrote, now I'm uncertain again  We need to send a tweet to Biech to find out how he confirmed it.

 

 

[*Buzzsaw*]

Here's the "non-physical" Tryamkin:

 

 

Here's the Tryamkin who doesn't fight... versus Jamie Benn who is as tough as they come... Benn quits because he is completely exhausted... and Tryamkin... who could have continued lets him go.  Benn was out for a month as a result of this fight.  If you don't think that sent a message around the league to tiptoe around Big Tree or get seriously manhandled, then you don't know Hockey Players.

 

 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yeah there is a lot to sift through. The way I read it, Nik's rights are owned by the Canucks indefinitely, but at age 27 he gets to negotiate with us as if he had UFA status. 

 

But after reading what you wrote, now I'm uncertain again  We need to send a tweet to Biech to find out how he confirmed it.

 

 

In any case, if we’re still talking about what to do with Nik’s rights in 2022, I think probably we’ll have long since missed the boat.

[Odd.]

1 hour ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

This has to be the most inaccurate assessment of Tryamkin and the facts I have ever seen.

 

Not having a good year in the KHL???  Tryamkin has been selected to the KHL 1st Allstar team for the second year in a row.... that's a bad season???

 

Not a physical player.... why don't you go back and look at some of the video in Vancouver... he put more players on the injury list than just about anyone in the NHL the year he played... and not by cheap-shotting them... just simple physical play.

 

He won all his fights by a large margin... and several times the players he fought went out with injuries.  (Benn for one)

 

He had a better plus/minus than most on the team in the year he played... which was an abysmal Canuck team.

 

Go out and really research the facts before you come out and post nonsense.

Read the third page I explained my reasoning.

[Hairy Kneel]

We'll get a better assessment of where his game is at as Avto's  KHL playoffs start very soon.

I don't think they will be rotating him out in the post season.

I wish we could rotate out Tanev to keep him fresh for the post season. When that arrives.

 

[Guest]

On 2/18/2019 at 3:28 PM, Odd. said:

I also realized after sometime that Tryamkin despite being a behemoth is not really a mean physical player. He wasn't a good fighter, most of his fights were forced, and used his strength to keep himself afloat on most fights, and if he does come here, I hope we don't try to force him to be something he isn't. That being said, what else is he good for? He's not a physical defenseman that everyone wants him to be, and to be honest, that's probably the only reason why we would want him unless he can develop a different aspect to his game, but everything he has we already have.

Dude, we have one of the worst defenses in the league!  

 

You could take half of our defensemen, throw them in the trash and we'd improve.  

 

6'7" defenseman with a giant reach that can skate well and clear the front of the net with ease.  Take out the height and we still don't have anyone like that on our team except maybe Edler who's healthy for half a season.  

[aqua59]

On 2/18/2019 at 1:19 PM, Krumpalicious said:

This article I read from Canucks army isn’t exactly new. It’s from October, and some of you may have read it or discussed it already. If so I apologize. It’s somewhat lengthy yet quite informitive. 

 

What i gather iut of it is that I truly don’t see him returning anytime soon to the dismay of many fans. Plus with potential moving of goldy. Whom is good friends with Tryamkin, would only compound the situation in a negative way. 

 

That being said, what do you the rights to his contract could be if we were to use it as a trading chip? Article is below if you choose to read it. 

 

AGAINST:

In April of 2017, shortly after it was announced that Tryamkin would be leaving the NHL to join Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg, the first bits of information leaked out. Dave Tomlinson of TSN Radio 1040 opined that “there were some things about the North American game that just didn’t sit right with” Tryamkin, and recounted a specific incident in which “Tryamkin asked him why a player (Jamie Benn) would come back and want to fight him after he made a clean hit.”

Though Tryamkin remains an intimidating physical specimen, he does not seem to have the mean streak to go with it, and the constant expectations for him to add snarl to his game really seemed to rub him the wrong way. As Tomlinson recalls, Tryamkin once complained that the Canucks staff had showed him a highlight package of Chris Pronger “being Pronger,” and asked him to incorporate similar nastiness in his own play. According to Tomlinson, this just wasn’t in Tryamkin’s “DNA.”

 

AGAINST: 

Tryamkin completed an interview with a KHL source shortly after rejoining Avtomobilist, and he did not speak kindly of his time in Vancouver. Tryamkin complained about his lack of icetime with the Canucks, and stated that “I would not get pleasure from the game and just sit, look and realize that there’s nothing you can do.”

Not only was Tryamkin struggling to earn icetime in Vancouver, he describes himself as struggling to understand the reasons behind his frequent benchings, saying “During the season, I was not happy with some of the matches. Sometimes I just do not understand – why?”

Overall, this interview painted a picture of a player not happy with the way he was treated by the Canucks, and one who was excited to play a role as a top-tier defenseman in the KHL.

 

FOR: 

Another interview later that summer with Sports-Express reporter Igor Eronko revealed that many of Tryamkin’s problems with the Canucks were actually problems with coach Willie Desjardins, who by that point had already been fired by the organization. Tryamkin describesgreat difficulty in communicating with Desjardins, stating “I have many times been superfluous. Yes, not even a lot – almost always me. And did not understand why. I spend a good game, and for five or seven minutes to the end I’m put on the bench without any explanation. It was very strange.”

Tryamkin wasn’t just happy with his own deployment, but also that of fellow Russian Nikolay Goldobin, as he says “I’m certainly not a coach, but, in my opinion, Kolya (Goldobin) should be allowed to play. He is small, brisk, his hands are in order, and he knows how to score goals. In the first match [he] scored, and after that he was [benched for]. So what is this? Where is the logic?…He scores in Edmonton in the last game…he is again saddled. If a person does not play, how will he grow up? How do you understand that he can play?”

While these statements again demonstrate how unhappy Tryamkin was in Vancouver, they also clearly show that much of his displeasure centered around the coaching of Desjardins, something that is no longer a factor. Presumably, Tryamkin would not have the same issues with Travis Green.

 

AGAINST:

Unfortunately, that same interview with Eronko also revealed that Tryamkin might not be a huge fan of the city of Vancouver, and the reason for his disdain is rather unexpected. When Tryamkin describes Vancouver as a “dope city,” he’s not just picking up on local slang. As Tryamkin elaborated, “Everywhere you go it’s not just smell, it really stinks of weed.”

This was not just an off-the-cuff statement, either. Tryamkin went on a veritable rant about marijuana, claiming that “Everyone smokes grass everywhere. The city is all in smoke. There is still a street – I do not remember what is called. So there even in a car it’s scary to go. A lot of bad guys. They can not stand on their feet, but they still smoke without stopping.”

He even went as far as to suggest that Vancouver’s love of pot affected his home life, claiming that “In downtown, in the center of the city stank the same. We lived on the tenth floor – even there, it used to smell. This is how much you need to smoke? It seems to me, it was possible to stick the receiver out of the window and inhale.”

Again, these statements might seem humourous, but this is plainly something that legitimately bothers Nikita. With marijuana due to be legalized in mid-October, it’s also not something that is going to change anytime soon.

 

FOR:

It wasn’t until December of 2017 that anyone asked actually asked about Tryamkin’s potential return to Vancouver. Sportsnet’s Rick Dhaliwal asked Avtomobilist assistant coach and general manager Alexei Volkov about the chances of a comeback, and Volkov responded that, “He talks about it, he wants to go back someday. He will give it one more shot when he’s ready.”

While Volkov is obviously talking about the far-flung future of 2020, when Tryamkin’s contract with Avtomobilist ends, this statement can only be taken as a positive.

 

FOR:

Like many messy breakups, the split between Nikita Tryamkin and the Vancouver Canucks involved some serious scrutiny of one another’s social media feeds. Several Canuck fans noticed that Tryamkin was still actively following the team on Instagram, and he confirmed as much in an April 2018 interview with Sports.ru, stating that, “the time difference is 12 hours, so I wake up, I turn on the games before training, it’s interesting to see how the team is doing. I watch the reviews, I watch the Russian guys who plays and who scores, I wonder.”

As could be expected, Tryamkin pays closest attention to his friend, Goldobin, but he is tuned in enough to the Canucks’ day-to-day happenings that he was able to comment on their fortunes in the 2018 Draft and the retirement of the Sedins, saying “[the] Brothers Sedin left, they made a huge contribution to the history of the club, amazing people who played for 18 years without changing the team. Now there will be a great chance to prove themselves [for] the young guys, and if Vancouver succeeds in taking the first or second pick in the draft, it will mean a lot, because the team needs another young leader like [Brock] Boeser. The first to go are [Andrei] Svechnikov and [Rasmus] Dahlin, very good players.”

This amount of investment in his former club can only be read as a positive, as it clearly demonstrates that Tryamkin has yet to close the door on that chapter of his life.

 

AGAINST: 

Despite Tryamkin’s sunny disposition in the April 2018 Russian-language article, the situation was a lot more ambiguous when reporter Janik Beichler attempted an interview in English a month later. Biechler reported a strange exchange in which Tryamkin twice refused to conduct the interview in English, despite previously agreeing to do so, and his tone seemed mildly hostile.

As Biechler concluded, “I don’t think Tryamkin is very interested in talking to #Canucks media right now,” and that could be an indication that some tension still remains.

 

FOR: 

Shortly after the terse exchange, Biechler was able to conduct an email interview with Tryamkin, in which the behemoth answered the question of whether he’d be interested in a return to Vancouver with the noncommittal “Why not?”

It’s far from a definitive statement, but it’s also an overall positive one, and it again shows that Tryamkin has left the door open to one day return.

 

AGAINST: 

Unfortunately, the rest of that Biechler interview hinted that Tryamkin may still have some concerns in regards to his usage in Vancouver. He doesn’t sound like he’s convinced that the issue of icetime was resolved by the firing of Desjardins, openly wondering “would I be needed?” when the time came for his potential return.

This was the most blunt Tryamkin had ever been about his problems with the Canucks, outright affirming that ““The lack of ice time is the reason I decided to leave the Canucks,” and adding, “I was a first-pairing D-man in Yekaterinburg this season, so I was pretty happy there.”

This sentiment was backed up by some statements made by agent Todd Diamond after the NHL Combine in June of 2018, who told Rick Dhaliwal that “I spoke…with the Canucks about Nikita and how we can approach it and maybe get ahead of it so everyone knows he is a valued person on the depth chart.”

It seems obvious that, at the very least, Tryamkin is still worried that a return to Vancouver would mean more time stapled to the bench, and that doesn’t appear to be something he is interested in.

 

FOR:

Nikolay Goldobin is Tryamkin’s best friend on the Canucks, and it stands to reason that he’s the best local source on the likelihood of Nikita’s comeback. In an interview with Dhaliwal in July of 2018, Goldobin admitted that “I try to get him back to NHL but I don’t think it’s happening for a year or two.”

Canuck fans are aware that the earliest Tryamkin could return is 2020, so the “year or two” part of this statement shouldn’t bother them. The fact that Goldobin seems to believe Tryamkin will return when his contract concludes, however, has to be taken as the best evidence yet.

 

FOR:

When Tryamkin left for the KHL, fans quickly noticed that both of his Twitter profile pictures remained as photos of him in a Canucks jersey. Most assumed that Nikita was just slow to update, but the pictures remain more than a year after his departure. Tryamkin isn’t the most active tweeter in the world, but he logs in a couple of times a month, and it stands to reason that he would have changed the pics by now if they really bothered him. This may seem frivolous, but it’s further evidence that Tryamkin doesn’t outright resent the Canucks organization, and that he doesn’t mind seeing himself in the blue-and-green.

That essentially represents the clearest conclusion that can be gleaned from this multitude of statements—although there is still some tension between Nikita Tryamkin and the Vancouver Canucks organization, he has clearly left the door open for a return in 2020. That being said, it’s also clear that unless the team can demonstrate a commitment to giving him a larger role on the blueline, he’s perfectly happy to stay in the KHL. So, Nikita—how does the top pairing with Quinn Hughes sound?

 

Thanks for this post. Nice to see things in a nut shell. I think WD's approach sours this kid in a long way. The pot smell in vancouver is just something one has to get over. I've never really noticed it. I also think his wife had a hard time here with the language and working.