canuck73_3 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, Tom Sestito said: Yeah. Remember the corpse of raphael diaz? He netted us Gaudette at the TDL. Still doesn't change the fact that late picks are hit or miss at best. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdubuya Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 just another example of JB's pisspoor asset management 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Still doesn't change the fact that late picks are hit or miss at best. No $&!#. They're a 10% success rate. But rebuilding teams with above average scouting should acquire as many as possible. Those late round picks have better success rate than Benning's awful pro scouting! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcheeze86 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Lmao poor delly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanisleryan Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Lol cant wait until this thread hits 1k posts and gets pinned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Leet said: Lol that was short lived. Porn valley discovered and that was that for model citizen MDZ and his 20 minutes of ice time at the pond. I hear that the popcorn is pretty good in St Loo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Nice work by GM Bob Murray. Traded a player who cleared waivers for MDZ and got Canucks to retain salary. Played him for a dozen games them was able to flip him for a 6th rounder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 There is almost zero difference between a 7th and a 6th. And the salary retention carries with him. That's why he has some value. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Tom Sestito said: No $&!#. They're a 10% success rate. But rebuilding teams with above average scouting should acquire as many as possible. Those late round picks have better success rate than Benning's awful pro scouting! lol his drafting has been good with benning and his scouts how are you mad or disappointed with his drafting? edit: 6th round pick for MDZ and traded for a 7th and schenn who looked not terrible this game, im not saying schen will be a regular but still. Edited February 26, 2019 by TNucks1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, TNucks1 said: lol his drafting has been good with benning and his scouts how are you mad or disappointed with his drafting? edit: 6th round pick for MDZ and traded for a 7th and schenn who looked not terrible this game, im not saying schen will be a regular but still. I don't think you read the post before you blabbered. Pro scouting under Benning has been a failure. Pro scouting are any players no longer eligible for the draft playing in professional leagues or players already drafted playing in professional leagues. Amateur scouting has been a success. Amateur scouting are undrafted players eligible for the draft. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) On 2/25/2019 at 12:23 PM, EP Phone Home said: And we were the team who retained salary and had to take Schenn and settle for a 7th. Hmm odd On 2/25/2019 at 12:27 PM, Tom Sestito said: How?! Schenn is a negative value asset who they dumped back to us.. I have a feeling JB wanted Schenn because Canucks lack right handed Dmen in the organization. At the very least Utica needed a top 4 righty and Schenn had already cleared waivers. Edited February 27, 2019 by Baer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 15 hours ago, Tom Sestito said: I don't think you read the post before you blabbered. Pro scouting under Benning has been a failure. Pro scouting are any players no longer eligible for the draft playing in professional leagues or players already drafted playing in professional leagues. Amateur scouting has been a success. Amateur scouting are undrafted players eligible for the draft. Benning apologist logic: Drafting is best (only) skill? Trade away draft picks, we don't need as many because we can draft just as well with less picks... or something? Absolutely baffling how a "drafting guru" trades at a draft pick deficit during a REBUILD. Astonishing. Had to fill dat age-gap though, really built the foundation for the future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coryberg Posted February 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 7 hours ago, kanucks25 said: Absolutely baffling how a "drafting guru" trades at a draft pick deficit during a REBUILD. Astonishing. Benning has 9 picks in a 7 round draft. That puts him at 7th amongst 31 teams. That is the opposite of a deficit. 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ilduce39 Posted February 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 14 hours ago, kanucks25 said: Benning apologist logic: Drafting is best (only) skill? Trade away draft picks, we don't need as many because we can draft just as well with less picks... or something? Absolutely baffling how a "drafting guru" trades at a draft pick deficit during a REBUILD. Astonishing. Had to fill dat age-gap though, really built the foundation for the future. What are you even on about... JB got a pick back from Del Zotto. Cullen from TSN has broken down draft pick values for years: extremely small advantage from the 6th round to the 7th. Especially if that’s a lower 6th pick vs a high 7th. Youre whining about JB not hanging on to DelZotto for about a 1% better chance at getting a 100 game NHL’r. If not understanding the gripe makes me a “Benning apologist” I’m curious to see how you’d define yourself. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, ilduce39 said: What are you even on about... JB got a pick back from Del Zotto. Cullen from TSN has broken down draft pick values for years: extremely small advantage from the 6th round to the 7th. Especially if that’s a lower 6th pick vs a high 7th. Youre whining about JB not hanging on to DelZotto for about a 1% better chance at getting a 100 game NHL’r. If not understanding the gripe makes me a “Benning apologist” I’m curious to see how you’d define yourself. Not just talking about the MDZ trade, it's about his entire plan/philosophy from day 1. He's never made it a point to accumulate draft picks, any round, in his entire tenure despite us being a rebuilding team during his entire tenure (I think, anyway, not sure what the hell we were doing for his first 2.5 years here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: What are you even on about... JB got a pick back from Del Zotto. Cullen from TSN has broken down draft pick values for years: extremely small advantage from the 6th round to the 7th. Especially if that’s a lower 6th pick vs a high 7th. Youre whining about JB not hanging on to DelZotto for about a 1% better chance at getting a 100 game NHL’r. If not understanding the gripe makes me a “Benning apologist” I’m curious to see how you’d define yourself. 18 years of 6th and 7th picks by the Canucks. Artyom Manukyan* (* denotes too early to tell) Matthew Thiessen* Petrus Palmu* Matthew Brassard* Jakub Stukel Rodrigo Abols Brett McKenzie Lukas Jasek* Tate Olson Kyle Pettit Mackenze Stewart Mike Williamson Miles Liberati Wesley Myron Matthew Beattie Pathrik Westerholm Henrik Tomernes Alex Friesen 1 game Jonathan Iilahti Sawyer Hannay Joe Cannata Steven Anthony Matt's Froshaug Morgan Clark Taylor Matson Dan Gendur Sergei Shirokov 8 games Juraj Simek Evan Fuller Kris Fredeim 3 games Mario Bliznak 6 games Julien Ellis Chad Brownlee Francois-Pierre Guenette Marc-Andre Roy Ilya Krikunov 18 years.... 18 games 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 9 hours ago, coryberg said: Benning has 9 picks in a 7 round draft. That puts him at 7th amongst 31 teams. That is the opposite of a deficit. This year, yes. This will be his 5th draft. Overall? No, especially in the top half of the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, kanucks25 said: Not just talking about the MDZ trade, it's about his entire plan/philosophy from day 1. He's never made it a point to accumulate draft picks, any round, in his entire tenure despite us being a rebuilding team during his entire tenure (I think, anyway, not sure what the hell we were doing for his first 2.5 years here). I think you are over valuing draft picks as the golden key to rebuilding (in addition to your dislike for benning). The toronto maple leafs - often cited as the epic organization to model after by Benning haterz - have picked 36 times since 2015. How many of those have worked out for them? How many post first round picks have worked out for them? I get it that post first round picks are nice, but im not buying they are a primary prerequisite for a rebuilding org. Leafs draft history showing all of that pick hoarding: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008490.html Regarding 6th vs 7th round picks - this is an amusing argument for me. When people gripe about this I often wonder - do these guys know we watch sports for entertainment? I dont understand the anger, and how some people take it personally. ...its not like you are losing money at the family business if the manager get a 7th rounder instead of a 6th rounder. Edited February 27, 2019 by Darius 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Picks/prospects transactions starting from the Gudbranson trade / 2016 summer (partial credit to PG Canuck) Picks/Prospects acquiredNikolay GoldobinJonathan Dahlen / Linus Karlsson - 2016 5th- 2017 5th - 2017 6th - 2018 6th- 2019 6th - 2019 6th - 2020 7thPicks/Prospects Traded:Jordan Subban Jared McCann (1st round pick that was acquired in the Kesler trade, 2 years removed) - 2016 2nd - 2016 4th- 2017 4th - 2018 4th - 2018 6th- 2020 7th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 49 minutes ago, Darius said: but im not buying they [draft picks] are a primary prerequisite for a rebuilding org. Well then the conversation ends there, might as well agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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