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What do you think is happening in California with the fires which are getting worse every year>?????

 

There is a 10 year drought in place in Cali.... that is what is causing the fires... there is no moisture in the vegetation... all it takes is one spark.

 

That is why they are having the worst fire seasons in their history in the last 5 years.

 

ITS HAPPENING NOW.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee.... cause its coming for the BC interior too.

 

Temperatures in the winters have increased.... so the Pine Beetles are not being killed by the frost... so the trees are dead... so they are perfect fuel for fires.

 

And it is going to get worse.

 

You want to live in a Vancouver where the summers are a permanent blanket of smoke?  This year we got lucky... but if temperatures continue to rise, this year will be the anomaly.

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

What do you think is happening in California with the fires which are getting worse every year>?????

 

There is a 10 year drought in place in Cali.... that is what is causing the fires... there is no moisture in the vegetation... all it takes is one spark.

 

That is why they are having the worst fire seasons in their history in the last 5 years.

 

ITS HAPPENING NOW.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee.... cause its coming for the BC interior too.

 

Temperatures in the winters have increased.... so the Pine Beetles are not being killed by the frost... so the trees are dead... so they are perfect fuel for fires.

 

And it is going to get worse.

 

You want to live in a Vancouver where the summers are a permanent blanket of smoke?  This year we got lucky... but if temperatures continue to rise, this year will be the anomaly.

NBC reported it over earlier this year,  after 7 yrs of drought.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/california-drought/california-drought-officially-over-after-more-seven-years-n983461

 

Many of the fires now are due to crappy grid infrastructure and environmentalists preventing clearing away of dead brush in threatened areas.  As well as normal idiots who are careless.

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1 hour ago, Kragar said:

NBC reported it over earlier this year,  after 7 yrs of drought.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/california-drought/california-drought-officially-over-after-more-seven-years-n983461

 

Many of the fires now are due to crappy grid infrastructure and environmentalists preventing clearing away of dead brush in threatened areas.  As well as normal idiots who are careless.

BC logging has a major issue with not cleaning up brush. Maybe that's what the old buzzsaw meant.:lol:

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Yes, sitting back and doing nothing until we have 100% agreement on the cause, solution and course of action for anything is the best way to move forward. good plan.

 

Also no one is saying stop all oil tomorrow. That's your extreme take. I'm saying don't expand capacity. Yes, we continue to use oil and will for decades, but that doesn't mean we have to expand production. 

 

And again, who cares who the messenger is, this 16 year old is just one in a long line but you always harp on the ones you can mock and dismiss so you can mock and dismiss the entire concept. Want me to quote a bunch of middle aged or older white guys with all sorts of letters after their names? Cause I sure can. Would that really matter? I think not. 

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6 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

BC logging has a major issue with not cleaning up brush. Maybe that's what the old buzzsaw meant.:lol:

Funny cause BC's logging industry has long been suffering but I've never heard cries of others intentionally trying to hurt BC :bigblush:

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13 hours ago, Kragar said:

NBC reported it over earlier this year,  after 7 yrs of drought.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/california-drought/california-drought-officially-over-after-more-seven-years-n983461

 

Many of the fires now are due to crappy grid infrastructure and environmentalists preventing clearing away of dead brush in threatened areas.  As well as normal idiots who are careless.

Complete Trump Bullsh*t.

 

The high winds which are blowing down the electrical grid are a function of the changed climate... wind speeds are up.

 

The #1 reason for the fires is the past drought... which by the way, although it has officially ended... there is still a lack of rainfall compared to normal years.  And the prediction is the drought may resume.

 

The water table has not recovered, the amount of moisture in the ground is way below normal, etc. etc.

 

The fact is, these fires in California and the other Western States are the most severe that have been ever seen.  That is not some imaginary fact.

 

Never before have there been so many people affected or so many fires.... that is even with modern systems to monitor and fight the fires.

 

You and the rest of the climate deniers are too driven by your egos to admit to the facts, you'd prefer to see your grandchildren suffer than admit you are wrong.

 

Pathetic.

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1 minute ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Complete Trump Bullsh*t.

 

The high winds which are blowing down the electrical grid are a function of the changed climate... wind speeds are up.

 

The #1 reason for the fires is the past drought... which by the way, although it has officially ended... there is still a lack of rainfall compared to normal years.  And the prediction is the drought may resume.

 

The water table has not recovered, the amount of moisture in the ground is way below normal, etc. etc.

 

The fact is, these fires in California and the other Western States are the most severe that have been ever seen.  That is not some imaginary fact.

 

Never before have there been so many people affected or so many fires.... that is even with modern systems to monitor and fight the fires.

 

You and the rest of the climate deniers are too driven by your egos to admit to the facts, you'd prefer to see your grandchildren suffer than admit you are wrong.

 

Pathetic.

Climate is clearly changing.  However, do we really place a value on the amount of change caused by human interference?

Fires are always bad in California.  The population now lives in areas once that were forested.  It's the same as saying the bears are bad now in the cities.  When actually it's the cities that are in the forests.

We, as people, are now living in the danger areas.  Trump is wrong, but so are the climate activists.  Both sides are refusing to accept the reality that humans are affecting climate, but that we are too many people on the planet.  The planet is culling.  That's what nature does.  

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32 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Climate is clearly changing.  However, do we really place a value on the amount of change caused by human interference?

Fires are always bad in California.  The population now lives in areas once that were forested.  It's the same as saying the bears are bad now in the cities.  When actually it's the cities that are in the forests.

We, as people, are now living in the danger areas.  Trump is wrong, but so are the climate activists.  Both sides are refusing to accept the reality that humans are affecting climate, but that we are too many people on the planet.  The planet is culling.  That's what nature does.  

You make it sound as though we have no say in the matter. This is incorrect.

 

The problem is not that we don't have a say...it's that too many people don't care to have a say....

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53 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Complete Trump Bullsh*t.

 

The high winds which are blowing down the electrical grid are a function of the changed climate... wind speeds are up.

 

The #1 reason for the fires is the past drought... which by the way, although it has officially ended... there is still a lack of rainfall compared to normal years.  And the prediction is the drought may resume.

 

The water table has not recovered, the amount of moisture in the ground is way below normal, etc. etc.

 

The fact is, these fires in California and the other Western States are the most severe that have been ever seen.  That is not some imaginary fact.

 

Never before have there been so many people affected or so many fires.... that is even with modern systems to monitor and fight the fires.

 

You and the rest of the climate deniers are too driven by your egos to admit to the facts, you'd prefer to see your grandchildren suffer than admit you are wrong.

 

Pathetic.

Do you live here?  We get these winds EVERY year.  Strong winds coming off the desert, dry as can be.  The winds and the fires have been going for thousands of years.

 

Utilities companies have neglected their infrastructure for decades, enough so that they were found liable with recent fires.

 

And, a huge fricken DUHHHHH about the number of people afflicted. Ever see how the population has changed over decades?

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23 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Ok guys... keep your heads stuck in the sand... keep thinking fossil fuels are ok, and in twenty years your grandkids will shake their heads at what people like you were thinking.

And therein lies the issue.

 

It seems to me quite possible that the world is not going to get its act together and curb greenhouse gases.

 

So, assuming that climate experts know what they are talking about and barring a technological innovation that removes greenhouse gasses from the atmosphere, it looks like we may very well suffer the effects of those greenhouse gases in very dramatic ways.

 

So what type of contingency plans should the government be making to cope with those effects?

 

One thought that has occurred to me is conscription.  Only, instead of conscripting young people into the military, they would be conscripted into a disaster relief force.  They could be trained in fire fighting, flood prevention, search and rescue, etc.  A portion might have to be trained to deal with social unrest.

 

Obviously, this is not the type of thing the minority Liberals are going to introduce into their next throne speech.  But down the road, as things worsen (assuming they do), we might have to start thinking about things like this.  How far down the road?  It depends on how bad it gets and how quickly things get that bad. 

 

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8 hours ago, UnkNuk said:

And therein lies the issue.

 

It seems to me quite possible that the world is not going to get its act together and curb greenhouse gases.

 

So, assuming that climate experts know what they are talking about and barring a technological innovation that removes greenhouse gasses from the atmosphere, it looks like we may very well suffer the effects of those greenhouse gases in very dramatic ways.

 

So what type of contingency plans should the government be making to cope with those effects?

 

One thought that has occurred to me is conscription.  Only, instead of conscripting young people into the military, they would be conscripted into a disaster relief force.  They could be trained in fire fighting, flood prevention, search and rescue, etc.  A portion might have to be trained to deal with social unrest.

 

Obviously, this is not the type of thing the minority Liberals are going to introduce into their next throne speech.  But down the road, as things worsen (assuming they do), we might have to start thinking about things like this.  How far down the road?  It depends on how bad it gets and how quickly things get that bad.

It'll never happen, but if it did, I'd like to see a census question, asking people, "Do you believe that Anthoprogenic Climate Change is a reality and a global threat? Do you support measures, including possible taxes to combat this threat?"

 

Those that answer "No" would be the first ones conscripted. Of course, the problem with this is that it's generally going to be the older, less physically fit people who are called first. Oh well, I suppose they could use the exercise....

 

Changing gears a bit, here's a little something for the "Greta is a hypocrite" crowd:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/greta-thunberg-declines-award-the-movement-doesnt-need-more-prizes/ar-AAJznMU?li=AAggNb9

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Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg, who has inspired millions across the world to stage protests urging leaders to better tackle global warming, has declined an environmental prize, saying "the climate movement does not need any more prizes."

Two fellow climate activists spoke on Thunberg's behalf at an award ceremony Tuesday in Stockholm for the regional inter-parliamentary Nordic Council's prizes, reading a statement thanking the group for the honor. Thunberg, 16, is currently in California.

 

But Sofia and Isabella Axelsson quoted Thunberg as saying that "what we need is for our rulers and politicians to listen to the research."

The Nordic Council hands out annual prizes for literature, youth literature, film, music and the environment, each worth 350,000 Danish kroner ($52,000).

It was not the first prize that the climate activist has won or been nominated for.

Three Norwegian lawmakers nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize this year because they believe "the massive movement Greta has set in motion is a very important peace contribution."

Last year, about three months into her school climate strike campaign, Thunberg declined another award — the Children's Climate Prize, which is awarded by a Swedish electricity company — because many of the finalists had to fly to Stockholm for the ceremony.

Thunberg notes that flights contribute to global warming, so she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean for two weeks on a zero-emissions sailboat to reach New York.

 

 

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On 10/28/2019 at 11:52 PM, *Buzzsaw* said:

Ok guys... keep your heads stuck in the sand... keep thinking fossil fuels are ok, and in twenty years your grandkids will shake their heads at what people like you were thinking.

If you’re truly concerned about the environment, you shouldn’t be having kids. Growth in population is the entire reason why CO2 emissions are so high. 
 

Are people willing to put the environments needs over their wants. Doubt it.
 

It’s much easier to blame McDonalds for making you fat, then for you to just stop buying there products. 

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3 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Are people willing to put the environments needs over their wants. Doubt it.

And in this sentence is where the change needs to be.

 

In order for people to truly work towards environmental needs, there needs to be a reason for them to do so. It needs to be in their best interest to do so and not just out of the goodness of their hearts. There needs to be motivation.

 

This is obviously easier said than done. Technology needs to advance so that we don't need fossil fuels. Recycling needs to be as easy as possible (it's not right now, too many rules especially with plastics). It needs to be a case where what people want aligns with what is good for the environment. People are lazy and if a government wants to truly make an impact they need to understand this and base everything on this single fact.

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7 minutes ago, The Lock said:

And in this sentence is where the change needs to be.

 

In order for people to truly work towards environmental needs, there needs to be a reason for them to do so. It needs to be in their best interest to do so and not just out of the goodness of their hearts. There needs to be motivation.

 

This is obviously easier said than done. Technology needs to advance so that we don't need fossil fuels. Recycling needs to be as easy as possible (it's not right now, too many rules especially with plastics). It needs to be a case where what people want aligns with what is good for the environment. People are lazy and if a government wants to truly make an impact they need to understand this and base everything on this single fact.

The thing is, there already is....

 

We have seen an increase in the severity of wildfires and flooding over the past several years, and if the scientific community is to be believed (and they absolutely should be) it's only going to get worse.

 

Where do people think the money comes from to address emergency situations when they arise? The bill is paid for by the taxpayer and every dollar that goes to disaster relief is a dollar that doesn't go to Healthcare or Education.

 

There should already be plenty of incentive for folks to be more environmentally conscious, but far too many are in denial.

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