The Lock Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: The thing is, there already is.... We have seen an increase in the severity of wildfires and flooding over the past several years, and if the scientific community is to be believed (and they absolutely should be) it's only going to get worse. Where do people think the money comes from to address emergency situations when they arise? The bill is paid for by the taxpayer and every dollar that goes to disaster relief is a dollar that doesn't go to Healthcare or Education. There should already be plenty of incentive for folks to be more environmentally conscious, but far too many are in denial. I think you missed my point to be honest.... I'm not talking in terms of forest fires or anything along those lines. I'm talking in terms of individuals. Unfortunately, we live in a society where even the threat of natural disasters is not enough for people to align their goals with the environment. Just look at the very causes of a lot of these fires: from people who don't care and just throw their smoke buds or whatever next to a road. While it would be nice to think otherwise, the unfortunate truth is a lot a people need even more convincing than just natural disasters. Like I said before, people are lazy, sometimes no matter what consequences that laziness may bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, The Lock said: I think you missed my point to be honest.... I'm not talking in terms of forest fires or anything along those lines. I'm talking in terms of individuals. Unfortunately, we live in a society where even the threat of natural disasters is not enough for people to align their goals with the environment. Just look at the very causes of a lot of these fires: from people who don't care and just throw their smoke buds or whatever next to a road. While it would be nice to think otherwise, the unfortunate truth is a lot a people need even more convincing than just natural disasters. Like I said before, people are lazy, sometimes no matter what consequences that laziness may bring. I don't disagree and I wasn't actually describing the way things are....it was more of the way it should be. We have a ton of evidence all around us....we have the scientific community overwhelmingly supporting the case, yet we still have people scouring the internet looking for blogs, or videos from deniers, just to support their narrative and allow them to take the lazy path with a clear conscience.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I don't disagree and I wasn't actually describing the way things are....it was more of the way it should be. We have a ton of evidence all around us....we have the scientific community overwhelmingly supporting the case, yet we still have people scouring the internet looking for blogs, or videos from deniers, just to support their narrative and allow them to take the lazy path with a clear conscience.... That's fair. And yes, the scouring the internet is part of the laziness as well since, if they can find an excuse to do nothing, they will unfortunately. This might sound a little crazy, but one misconception the public has is on nuclear power which tends to have less of an environmental impact than a lot of other power and is actually a lot safer than people realize. A couple of bad disasters and it gets a bad reputation basically. Also, if they used Thorium instead of Uranium, it would be even safer (less radiation), but the government in the middle of last century were more focused on beating the commies and vice versa than they were on actual safety. Edited October 30, 2019 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I don't disagree and I wasn't actually describing the way things are....it was more of the way it should be. We have a ton of evidence all around us....we have the scientific community overwhelmingly supporting the case, yet we still have people scouring the internet looking for blogs, or videos from deniers, just to support their narrative and allow them to take the lazy path with a clear conscience.... So the world isn't flat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, The Lock said: That's fair. And yes, the scouring the internet is part of the laziness as well since, if they can find an excuse to do nothing, they will unfortunately. This might sound a little crazy, but one misconception the public has is on nuclear power which tends to have less of an environmental impact than a lot of other power and is actually a lot safer than people realize. A couple of bad disasters and it gets a bad reputation basically. Also, if they used Thorium instead of Uranium, it would be even safer (less radiation), but the government in the middle of last century were more focused on beating the commies and vice versa than they were on actual safety. Agreed. Unfortunately, Chernobyl has likely destroyed the chances for any meaningful inclusion of Nuclear for us....even though it's clear that it was the result of a string of screw-ups by the Soviets. If we think the opposition to pipelines is bad, I can't even imagine what it would be if we were talking about setting up a Nuclear facility, even if it was on Ellesmere Island, or North Battleford, or some other uninhabitable wasteland.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: So the world isn't flat? Nope. Well....except for Saskatchewan and parts of Utah.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said: Agreed. Unfortunately, Chernobyl has likely destroyed the chances for any meaningful inclusion of Nuclear for us....even though it's clear that it was the result of a string of screw-ups by the Soviets. If we think the opposition to pipelines is bad, I can't even imagine what it would be if we were talking about setting up a Nuclear facility, even if it was on Ellesmere Island, or North Battleford, or some other uninhabitable wasteland.... This is true. It's unfortunate how the middle of last century screwed a lot of things up really: fossil fuels, rushed nuclear technology, claiming fat's bad for you, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 "More than 11,000 scientists issue fresh warning: Earth faces a climate emergency" "An international consortium of more than 11,000 scientists is backing a study with a dire warning: Earth is facing a climate emergency. The new study of how human activities have impacted the planet over the past four decades declares that harmful greenhouse gas emissions are rapidly rising, that governments are making insufficient progress in tackling the crisis, and that scientists have “a moral obligation to clearly warn humanity of any catastrophic threat.” The findings were published Tuesday in the journal BioScience." https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/more-11-000-scientists-issue-fresh-warning-earth-faces-climate-n1076851 The report can be found here: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, UnkNuk said: "More than 11,000 scientists issue fresh warning: Earth faces a climate emergency" "An international consortium of more than 11,000 scientists is backing a study with a dire warning: Earth is facing a climate emergency. The new study of how human activities have impacted the planet over the past four decades declares that harmful greenhouse gas emissions are rapidly rising, that governments are making insufficient progress in tackling the crisis, and that scientists have “a moral obligation to clearly warn humanity of any catastrophic threat.” The findings were published Tuesday in the journal BioScience." https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/more-11-000-scientists-issue-fresh-warning-earth-faces-climate-n1076851 The report can be found here: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806 bunch of conniving "scientists" just scheming together in a massive global conspiracy to get more grants for themselves. typical lefties. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, UnkNuk said: "More than 11,000 scientists issue fresh warning: Earth faces a climate emergency" "An international consortium of more than 11,000 scientists is backing a study with a dire warning: Earth is facing a climate emergency. The new study of how human activities have impacted the planet over the past four decades declares that harmful greenhouse gas emissions are rapidly rising, that governments are making insufficient progress in tackling the crisis, and that scientists have “a moral obligation to clearly warn humanity of any catastrophic threat.” The findings were published Tuesday in the journal BioScience." https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/more-11-000-scientists-issue-fresh-warning-earth-faces-climate-n1076851 The report can be found here: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806 Yah but 4.3 million Albertans think that climate change is fake news....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, inane said: bunch of conniving "scientists" just scheming together in a massive global conspiracy to get more grants for themselves. typical lefties. Besides that, they probably all drink coffee and have computers.....so they're complete hypocrites.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 36 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Besides that, they probably all drink coffee and have computers.....so they're complete hypocrites.... 100% I hear. It's all or nuthin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) The world didn’t end in 2012 so that means the Mayan’s whole existence was fake news......b*^ches!! Edited November 7, 2019 by Ronaldoescobar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) On 11/6/2019 at 2:59 PM, UnkNuk said: "More than 11,000 scientists issue fresh warning: Earth faces a climate emergency" "An international consortium of more than 11,000 scientists is backing a study with a dire warning: Earth is facing a climate emergency. The new study of how human activities have impacted the planet over the past four decades declares that harmful greenhouse gas emissions are rapidly rising, that governments are making insufficient progress in tackling the crisis, and that scientists have “a moral obligation to clearly warn humanity of any catastrophic threat.” The findings were published Tuesday in the journal BioScience." https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/more-11-000-scientists-issue-fresh-warning-earth-faces-climate-n1076851 The report can be found here: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806 On 11/6/2019 at 3:28 PM, kingofsurrey said: Yah but 4.3 million Albertans think that climate change is fake news....... On 11/6/2019 at 3:23 PM, inane said: bunch of conniving "scientists" just scheming together in a massive global conspiracy to get more grants for themselves. typical lefties. 11,000 scientist.....including the likes of professors Mickey Mouse and Albus Dumbledore. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/mickey-mouse-and-other-fake-scientists-revealed-as-signatories-on-climate-petition/ar-BBWqKGP On 11/6/2019 at 3:42 PM, RUPERTKBD said: Besides that, they probably all drink coffee and have computers.....so they're complete hypocrites.... Not that I expected any of you to have read the report out side of the title, but had you did..... "The climate crisis is closely linked to excessive consumption of the wealthy lifestyle. The most affluent countries are mainly responsible for the historical GHG emissions and generally have the greatest per capita emissions." To secure a sustainable future, we must change how we live, in ways that improve the vital signs summarized by our graphs. Economic and population growth are among the most important drivers of increases in CO2 emissions from fossil fuel "Eating mostly plant-based foods while reducing the global consumption of animal products" "Still increasing by roughly 80 million people per year, or more than 200,000 per day, the world population must be stabilized" Aka stop creating a demand for fossil fuels, stop eating meat, stop having kids.... Or is it still, do as I say, not as I do???? On 11/6/2019 at 4:20 PM, bishopshodan said: 100% I hear. It's all or nuthin! Why wouldn't it be, is it not a climate crisis? It's either everyone change or the world is over.....right? Or perhaps is it just not as dire as many claim? Edited November 12, 2019 by ForsbergTheGreat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: 11,000 scientist.....including the likes of professors Mickey Mouse and Albus Dumbledore. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/mickey-mouse-and-other-fake-scientists-revealed-as-signatories-on-climate-petition/ar-BBWqKGP Not that I expected any of you to have read the report out side of the title, but had you did..... "The climate crisis is closely linked to excessive consumption of the wealthy lifestyle. The most affluent countries are mainly responsible for the historical GHG emissions and generally have the greatest per capita emissions." To secure a sustainable future, we must change how we live, in ways that improve the vital signs summarized by our graphs. Economic and population growth are among the most important drivers of increases in CO2 emissions from fossil fuel "Eating mostly plant-based foods while reducing the global consumption of animal products" "Still increasing by roughly 80 million people per year, or more than 200,000 per day, the world population must be stabilized" Aka stop creating a demand for fossil fuels, stop eating meat, stop having kids.... Or is it still, do as I say, not as I do???? Why wouldn't it be, is it not a climate crisis? It's either everyone change or the world is over.....right? Or perhaps is it just not as dire as many claim? Yeah, a lot of the "scientists" do not have any relevance to the climate debate. Many are like "professor"... yet not discipline is specified. Some are Professors of Digital Media, teaching accounting, teaching Communications, etc... heck, I could probably get a gig teaching finance at a local college and put my name on the report, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Lancaster said: Yeah, a lot of the "scientists" do not have any relevance to the climate debate. Many are like "professor"... yet not discipline is specified. Some are Professors of Digital Media, teaching accounting, teaching Communications, etc... heck, I could probably get a gig teaching finance at a local college and put my name on the report, lol. Of not even scientists at all https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9683052-retired-hamilton-cabbie-gets-himself-on-list-of-fake-scientists-declaring-climate-emergency/ Quote Hans Wienhold claimed to be a scientist in "BS detection and analysis" at Mohawk College to get on the list of 11,258 signatories from 153 countries supporting the declaration published in BioScience on Nov. 5. The viewpoint article warned the Earth is facing a climate emergency. The list also included "Micky Mouse" as a professor at the "Micky Mouse Institute for the Blind" in Namibia, a country in Southern Africa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: 11,000 scientist.....including the likes of professors Mickey Mouse and Albus Dumbledore. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/mickey-mouse-and-other-fake-scientists-revealed-as-signatories-on-climate-petition/ar-BBWqKGP From your link: "Sky News host James Morrow says a petition calling for the declaration of a climate emergency is signed by "climate cultists" trying to enforce "their own socialist ideals". Mr Morrow’s comments come after it was revealed that 11,000 signatures touted in the media as proof there was a climate emergency may have been hijacked by a few fake signatories including Mickey Mouse from the Mickey Mouse School of the Blind and Zoology professor Araminta Aardvark from the University of Neasden." I'm not clear on why a "few fake signatories" disqualify a petition. Nor am I clear on how James Morrow has determined how many of the signatories are socialist climate cultists. That being said, if it turns out that thousands and thousands of people who have signed this petition turn out to be fakes or people who have no credentials in climate science, then, by all means, lets ignore this particular petition. Just as we should ignore climate skeptics who have no credentials in climate science. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I love how signing a petition is 'enforcing socialist ideas' whatever the fark that means lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 9 hours ago, UnkNuk said: From your link: "Sky News host James Morrow says a petition calling for the declaration of a climate emergency is signed by "climate cultists" trying to enforce "their own socialist ideals". Mr Morrow’s comments come after it was revealed that 11,000 signatures touted in the media as proof there was a climate emergency may have been hijacked by a few fake signatories including Mickey Mouse from the Mickey Mouse School of the Blind and Zoology professor Araminta Aardvark from the University of Neasden." I'm not clear on why a "few fake signatories" disqualify a petition. Nor am I clear on how James Morrow has determined how many of the signatories are socialist climate cultists. That being said, if it turns out that thousands and thousands of people who have signed this petition turn out to be fakes or people who have no credentials in climate science, then, by all means, lets ignore this particular petition. Just as we should ignore climate skeptics who have no credentials in climate science. If the a major talking point is "the science is settled", it is very important to figure how it is supposedly claimed to be settled. Even the whole "97% of scientists believes in climate change" is bogus. I've skimmed the list for the 11000 "scientists"... and it's not just a few rogue signatories... a substantial amount of people shouldn't be given any weight in the debate. I don't care what some PhD candidate in Communications thinks about climate change.... that person's opinion is as valid as Kim Kardashian, another person who I don't give a crap about. Whatever the purpose, whatever the intention... you never make stuff up to prove a point. If this is in a court of law, committing fraudulent acts will immediately compromise your credibility and will ultimately make you lose your case. The climate change debate is unfortunately moving towards that direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 8 hours ago, UnkNuk said: From your link: "Sky News host James Morrow says a petition calling for the declaration of a climate emergency is signed by "climate cultists" trying to enforce "their own socialist ideals". Mr Morrow’s comments come after it was revealed that 11,000 signatures touted in the media as proof there was a climate emergency may have been hijacked by a few fake signatories including Mickey Mouse from the Mickey Mouse School of the Blind and Zoology professor Araminta Aardvark from the University of Neasden." I'm not clear on why a "few fake signatories" disqualify a petition. Nor am I clear on how James Morrow has determined how many of the signatories are socialist climate cultists. That being said, if it turns out that thousands and thousands of people who have signed this petition turn out to be fakes or people who have no credentials in climate science, then, by all means, lets ignore this particular petition. Just as we should ignore climate skeptics who have no credentials in climate science. When a climate reports starts discussing how it will improve gender equality, it does begin to cross the line from being a warning to another way to impose socialist empowerment. Either way, with the names coming out it’s unclear how many are made up, signed or duplicated by people with no real world credentials. but that’s to be expected when you have an publicly open signature petition. When what you are proposing is going to negatively affect people’s lives you can bet it’s going to be dissect by every little detail. So If they want their point to be taken seriously then don’t have ass the work. A few weeks before 500 “scientists” sent a report to U.N. stating we weren’t in a climate emergency and... crickets. it is written off because some of the scientists werent directly involved climatology, fair enough. Same thing happens on this report, except to an even bigger extreme, where even fictitious characters are being used and the response is totally different. People blindly support “reports” that share the same viewpoint they have. Like I said, how many people simply just read the title and started salivating over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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