Gurn Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, aGENT said: Third, it also discounts the value of having even mediocre and crappy vets place-holding and sheltering the likes of Horvat, Boeser, Virtanen, Pettersson, Stecher and now Hughes on the NHL roster with so that they may ease in to the league without being over their heads and getting buried and from the vitriol of the media/fan base for not meeting their over the top expectations (see: EDM). I'd far rather see all of you spitting venom at the likes of Gagner and MDZ than Pettersson and Stecher. I'm going to take a wild guess that so did Benning This part is so true, so many posters completely overlook this aspect of growing players into pros. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: No one arguing with you (if you can call it that, it is like talking to a brick...and not a particularly engaged brick) is a "Benning lover"...the people pointing out the flaws in your logic as your logic is severely flawed. It wouldn't matter if the Canucks had Toe Blake, Scotty Bowman or any other list of great GMs you want to truck out and try....they ALL would make risk-reward moves. You can certainly argue on any given move and cherry pick the good or bad ones as you please BUT on balance, given where he started in terms of the cupboard and the aging lineup inclusive of Kesler who gave him no real trade options, AND a President who wanted to "do right by the Sedins" and stay "competitive", Benning has done a commendable job. Perfect? Of course not. Mistakes? Of course. Worthy of your incessant whining and hyperbolic narrative towards he is some sort of inserted agent to destroy the franchise - nope, not even close. Although what could be done to hurt the team in the standings more? The team is still a bottom feeder and now has sold the future to TRY to make the playoffs and even if they do how do they deal with aging out players that can't be traded? A blip is all a playoff appearance would be now. To no one in particular BUT If a new GM is hired for this team right now; Team close to or capped out 7 clause contracts - difficult to move Short on draft picks. Only 3/4 bonafide and proven players under 24. Reid Boucher as the best AHL player A team that has lost 40% more games than they win for 4 years 18 players that have never even played a NHL playoff game. He would have; Elias, Brock, Bo, Jake and Quinton playing in the NHL and possibly Woo and Juolievi, but that is not enough young players, the team needs more young star draft picks. And the amount of time it took Benning while others passed this team in good young players and top draft picks, Benning could take another 5 years to get 3 more top players out of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, klw604 said: Lol dude your talking about 40 years ago Just give it up , times have changed and so has people, Just facts here The only fact here is that you are a mouth breather. You still never even addressed my original point. You said players in Edmonton party hard because there is allegedly nothing to do in Edmonton and that's why they want to play in big cities. Do you really think that there is so much more to do in a bigger city that the players won't party just as hard? I should probably just give up since you started quoting facts but I'm bored so humour me mouth breathing monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw604 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Sounds like you got quite offended, I assume you live there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw604 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, RonMexico said: The only fact here is that you are a mouth breather. You still never even addressed my original point. You said players in Edmonton party hard because there is allegedly nothing to do in Edmonton and that's why they want to play in big cities. Do you really think that there is so much more to do in a bigger city that the players won't party just as hard? I should probably just give up since you started quoting facts but I'm bored so humour me mouth breathing monkey. Sounds like you live in Edmonton Modified no trade clause #1 Edmonton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: The team is still a bottom feeder No, they are not. Last season there were 8 teams lower and this year my bet would be between 12 and 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: 49 minutes ago, aGENT said: Third, it also discounts the value of having even mediocre and crappy vets place-holding and sheltering the likes of Horvat, Boeser, Virtanen, Pettersson, Stecher and now Hughes on the NHL roster with so that they may ease in to the league without being over their heads and getting buried and from the vitriol of the media/fan base for not meeting their over the top expectations (see: EDM). I'd far rather see all of you spitting venom at the likes of Gagner and MDZ than Pettersson and Stecher. I'm going to take a wild guess that so did Benning Your third point is so missed by so many. Bridge veterans are essential. There were some moves made with the "Sedin maintenance plan" but after Linden was gone, those moves have stopped. Sheltered, that is just talk there is no sheltering, whose pictures are used to promote the team, all the coach and GM talk is just noise, how many FO's did 23 yr old Horvat take? How much PP time did players under 24 get? Which player is flogged the most 22 yr old Jake by any chance? How is any of this considered "sheltering"? Sheltering might be not having to do interviews after losses or explaining why the team loses or wins, sheltering might be having a guardian on the ice so they don't get cheap shots even if that guardian isn't fast or is older but one that other players would not want to mess with, one with a reputation and one that has scored before, now that would be sheltering instead of waiting until AFTER the young sheltered player has a broken head. Benning says "sheltered" and naive fans actually believe it but who are the engines of this team? Who are leaned on? Schaller? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Sheltered, that is just talk there is no sheltering, whose pictures are used to promote the team, all the coach and GM talk is just noise, how many FO's did 23 yr old Horvat take? How much PP time did players under 24 get? Which player is flogged the most 22 yr old Jake by any chance? How is any of this considered "sheltering"? Sheltering might be not having to do interviews after losses or explaining why the team loses or wins, sheltering might be having a guardian on the ice so they don't get cheap shots even if that guardian isn't fast or is older but one that other players would not want to mess with, one with a reputation and one that has scored before, now that would be sheltering instead of waiting until AFTER the young sheltered player has a broken head. Benning says "sheltered" and naive fans actually believe it but who are the engines of this team? Who are leaned on? Schaller? Pettersson's 70% ozone starts last season say hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Sheltered, that is just talk there is no sheltering, whose pictures are used to promote the team, all the coach and GM talk is just noise, how many FO's did 23 yr old Horvat take? How much PP time did players under 24 get? Which player is flogged the most 22 yr old Jake by any chance? How is any of this considered "sheltering"? Sheltering might be not having to do interviews after losses or explaining why the team loses or wins, sheltering might be having a guardian on the ice so they don't get cheap shots even if that guardian isn't fast or is older but one that other players would not want to mess with, one with a reputation and one that has scored before, now that would be sheltering instead of waiting until AFTER the young sheltered player has a broken head. Benning says "sheltered" and naive fans actually believe it but who are the engines of this team? Who are leaned on? Schaller? Where in the h-e-double hockey stick did I say any of this? If you are going to quote me, at least get it right sport. Further, if you are going to engage someone else on the term terms, understand the different between bridge players and prospects/core players. It seems many aspects of the game escape you but we will try and be patient as you come along as long as you remain willing to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw604 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, RonMexico said: The only fact here is that you are a mouth breather. You still never even addressed my original point. You said players in Edmonton party hard because there is allegedly nothing to do in Edmonton and that's why they want to play in big cities. Do you really think that there is so much more to do in a bigger city that the players won't party just as hard? I should probably just give up since you started quoting facts but I'm bored so humour me mouth breathing monkey. First of all I said Hall and Eberle was partying in Edmonton, Second of all, they wanna live in a beautiful city, with good weather, Just slow down and take a deep breathe, Compare weather in Vancouver vs Edmonton for example .... Would you rather choose Edmonton's climate over Vancouver's And why aren't you on Edmontons forum ? Unless your originally from Vancouver and now live in Edmonton Oh no wonder....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Pettersson's 70% ozone starts last season say hi. I am finding the usual suspects are grasping at more inane narratives in increasing frequency as the tangible improvements to team are emerging and the prospect that the Canucks may improve significantly this year frightens them. You could see the first signs of this trend in their posts last season when it was clear the young core was emerging and the playing style was far more entertaining than many expected AND many across the league were taking note. This year will even be tougher on them. To that degree, in the spirit of unity, try and be patient and use stats/facts sparingly so we don't scare them all away too soon. It is entertaining, after all, to have at least a few of them around. Thanks in advance @aGENT 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, klw604 said: First of all I said Hall and Eberle was partying in Edmonton, Second of all, they wanna live in a beautiful city, with good weather, Just slow down and take a deep breathe, Compare weather in Vancouver vs Edmonton for example .... Would you rather choose Edmonton's climate over Vancouver's And why aren't you on Edmontons forum ? Unless your originally from Vancouver and now live in Edmonton Oh no wonder....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: No, they are not. Last season there were 8 teams lower and this year my bet would be between 12 and 18. 5 teams at best LA and Anaheim for sure but who else? Chicago got their rest last year, made trades that made them better and still have Kane and Toews. Detroit maybe New Jersey will leave the Canucks in their wake, big improvement and Hall comes back. New York Rangers are almost finished their rebuild and ahead in youth and talent. No, there will be another top 5 pick for the Canucks next season The team just doesn't have the depth of talent to withstand 2 injuries let alone 3 or 4 which is standard fare for NHL teams. IF Boeser holds out like Nylander or gets traded to his home state this team is not playoff bound, IF Horvat suffers a hurt, IF Pettersson gets damaged. The only system this team could play would be a lock down defensive system and hope Markstrom doesn't get hurt. The Canucks just didn't add enough to surpass any teams, other teams improved too and more. For all the Canucks finished the highest in 4 years other teams they still were only 5 points out of 27th in the league, for all the hype and youth being leaned on to win. Just 4 OTL points out of 26th. Edited July 3, 2019 by ItTakesAnArmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw604 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Thanks breathing monkey Modified no trade clause 1) Edmonton Edited July 3, 2019 by klw604 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildwood12 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I think some of the media are posting garbage on this site under an alias. I am surprised this site is not shut down. Like the Maple Leaf message board was shut down as soon as Lou Lamoriello became GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: 5 teams at best LA and Anaheim for sure but who else? Chicago got their rest last year, made trades that made them better and still have Kane and Toews. Detroit maybe New Jersey will leave the Canucks in their wake, big improvement and Hall comes back. New York Rangers are almost finished their rebuild and ahead in youth and talent. No, there will be another top 5 pick for the Canucks next season The team just doesn't have the depth of talent to withstand 2 injuries let alone 3 or 4 which is standard fare for NHL teams. IF Boeser holds out like Nylander or gets traded to his home state this team is not playoff bound, IF Horvat suffers a hurt, IF Pettersson gets damaged. The only system this team could play would be a lock down defensive system and hope Markstrom doesn't get hurt. The Canucks just didn't add enough to surpass any teams, other teams improved too and more. For all the Canucks finished the highest in 4 years other teams they still were only 5 points out of 27th in the league, for all the hype and youth being leaned on to win. Just 4 OTL points out of 26th. Wait why would he move to Minnesota?? From Vancouver? Don't players want to play in beautiful cities with good weather? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: 5 teams at best LA and Anaheim for sure but who else? Chicago got their rest last year, made trades that made them better and still have Kane and Toews. Detroit maybe New Jersey will leave the Canucks in their wake, big improvement and Hall comes back. New York Rangers are almost finished their rebuild and ahead in youth and talent. No there will be another top 5 pick for the Canucks next season The team just doesn't have the depth of talent to withstand 2 injuries let alone 3 or 4 which is standard fare for NHL teams. IF Boeser holds out like Nylander or gets traded to his home state this team is not playoff bound, IF Horvat suffers a hurt, IF Pettersson gets damaged. The only system this team could play would be a lock down defensive system and hope Markstrom doesn't get hurt. The Canucks just didn't add enough to surpass any teams, other teams improved too and more. For all the Canucks finished the highest in 4 years other teams they still were only 5 points out of 27th in the league, for all the hype and youth being leaned on to win. Just 4 OTL points out of 26th. Is that all you have is last years standings? Had the Canucks had any one of the 3 major acquisitions last year there is a very good chance they would have made the playoffs last year. Even Benn replacing Pouliot is a large upgrade as Pouliot cost us 3-4 games alone. Now add Myers who is a huge upgrade over Hutton and throw in Hughes for extra offence and improved powerplay. Then add 2 top six forwards in Miller and Pearson and the Canucks are pretty much a shoe-in to make the playoffs. And don't forget the much improved schedule over last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, spur1 said: Is that all you have is last years standings? Had the Canucks had any one of the 3 major acquisitions last year there is a very good chance they would have made the playoffs last year. Even Benn replacing Pouliot is a large upgrade as Pouliot cost us 3-4 games alone. Now add Myers who is a huge upgrade over Hutton and throw in Hughes for extra offence and improved powerplay. Then add 2 top six forwards in Miller and Pearson and the Canucks are pretty much a shoe-in to make the playoffs. And don't forget the much improved schedule over last year. Gudbranson was worse. Can Hughes play defense? That was the big issue he had in college and WC. Good offense but not so good defense. He will get hammered in the NHL Yes Myers is an upgrade but Edler is older and Tanev still fragile. Can Markstrom play another season like last? It was his personal best ever. Why is it you don't look at what other teams are doing or who this team needs to surpass? Do you think Edmonton got worse? Or Calgary? San Jose didn't and if they did they were so far ahead already. There are only two ways to make the playoffs, being better than 4 other teams in the division of seven, top three or a wild card spot so there is really only one hope and that is a wild card spot. Other teams improved more than the Canucks did. And when the team is this bad just about any new player could be stated as a improvement, how hard was it to improve on Pouiliot or Gudbranson? Not very hard As far as playoff last year they would have had to pass three other teams and win 20% more games Edited July 3, 2019 by ItTakesAnArmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw604 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Wait why would he move to Minnesota?? From Vancouver? Don't players want to play in beautiful cities with good weather? He's originally from Minnesota, therefore he's gonna play where he grew up from Duh!!!! 42 year old DUD That moved to Edmonton, and now has a cheap mortgage ! That lives 20 minutes away from west Edmonton mall How are the winters ? -30 degrees ? Enjoy ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Gudbranson was worse. Can Hughes play defense? That was the big issue he had in college and WC. Good offense but not so good defense. He will get hammered in the NHL Yes Myers is an upgrade but Edler is older and Tanev still fragile. Can Markstrom play another season like last? It was his personal best ever. Why is it you don't look at what other teams are doing or who this team needs to surpass? Do you think Edmonton got worse? Or Calgary? San Jose didn't and if they did they were so far ahead already. There are only two ways to make the playoffs, being better than 4 other teams in the division of seven, top three or a wild card spot so there is really only one hope and that is a wild card spot. Other teams improved more than the Canucks did. And when the team is this bad just about any new player could be stated as a improvement, how hard was it to improve on Pouiliot or Gudbranson? Not very hard Edmonton, Calgary and SJ did nothing in free agency except for some minor signings. It's never safe to assume any team repeats their previous season's success. So much trivialization of what the Canucks do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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