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So we saw this season that we were playing meaningful games later on in the season, almost until March, and showed that we can challenge for a playoff spot, albeit in a very weak Western conference. I think our big needs are still obvious and similar to most teams - a top-6 forward would be nice, and a top-4 defenceman. I think ideally, we really need more defensive depth as we saw our D get decimated by injuries and then we started spiralling out of the playoff picture, especially with Edler and Tanev out of the lineup. 

 

To address this, here are some simple signings we can do. The Canucks have 14M in cap space this off-season:

 

1) Re-signings. 

Dorsett and his 2.5M come off the books.

Re-sign Granlund for 1.5M

Tom Pyatt comes off the books saving 1.2M or we sign him to a cheap AHL contract

Leivo certainly deserves a raise, will get a nice longer contract, perhaps 1.5-2M, let's say 2M for argument's sake

Boeser is going to demand a long term big contract. Could be anywhere in the 5-7M area, I'd say 5.5M long term, similar to Horvat's deal.

Motte has played well for us, is expendable though and replaceable through the UFA but let's just say we re-sign him for 1M (or someone else for thereabouts the same amount)

Goldobin is a tricky one, probably deserves a bridge contract at 1.5M 

Edler is going to get re-signed, hopefully a similar contract, I doubt he'll take much of a pay-cut considering he's been our best D-man this year so expect 4.5-5M again short-term

Hutton has played well this year and I think he'll demand a bit more money, say 3.5M for him medium-term

Pouliot I think we either let go or sign cheaply for 1 to 1.5M

Could resign Mazanec to a cheap similar 600-800K deal and plant him in the AHL

Demko coming through will be our backup next season and warrant a bigger deal so his will be tricky, they might sign him long-term now or short term. I'd try a medium term deal, perhaps 2M

 

So with all that considered, our cap space moves to roughly 8-9M left after all the resignings.

 

2) UFA signings

 

There are certainly some big ticket free-agents out there, all of whom I doubt will want to come to Vancouver despite our tempting young kids to play with. I think we should aim at some lesser targets:

- Jake Gardiner for 5M would be my top priority. Big strong body, going to be the odd-man out in Toronto, mainly a lefty but has played on the right

- If no Gardiner, then Rutta, Sustr or Petrovic on the right might be some cheaper options for depth at around 2-3M

- Forwards-wise, one of Eberle, Hayes, Nyquist, Johansson, Zucarello, Brock Nelson or Anders Lee would be quite nice at 4-5M. Let's just say for argument's sake we get Johansson and just tuck him and Gardiner under our cap. MoJo isn't quite as offensively-gifted as say the Islander duo but he might be more attainable.

 

Johansson - Pettersson - Boeser

Baertschi - Horvat- Pearson

Leivo - Sutter - Eriksson

Roussel - Gaudette - Virtanen

Goldobin

Granlund

Motte

Beagle

Spooner

Shaller

 

Yes, it seems like a lot of depth up front, but we know this team is going to run into injuries and to be fair Goldobin and Granlund just aren't producing enough offence on most nights. We have a lot of dead-weights on this team who can't score and I think the bottom 3 or 4 of those guys should spend some time in the minors or consider trading them.

 

Edler - Stecher

Hughes - Gardiner

Hutton - Tanev

Schenn

Juolevi

Biega

Pouliot

Teves

 

We know this defence is going to run into injuries next season over long spells, the worst we've seen is 4 out at once, which is why having Hughes and Juolevi ready will help (although Juolevi may take a while to recover and develop), but having Gardiner there will really boost the quality of this defence at the same time.

 

Markstrom

Demko

 

Honestly, this team will make the playoffs, injuries or not, because it has the depth to do so and only requires a couple of UFA signings. I don't think JB will make too many big trades this off-season, if he does it might be to shed some of the dead-weights we have up front for picks or prospects.

 

 

 

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I think Edler gets 5M. I also think Boeser gets 6M+.

 

I don't dislike Granlund, but I think we are able to move on from him. 

 

I would like one of those guys at 4-5M (though Johansson is maybe a bit much for 5+), but you'll probably have to dedicate a longer term to them as well.

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3 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Stay the course,  build through the draft.   

It's not realistic to build a contending team through only the draft. I don't think this is the year to make big splashes in FA, though, unless the contracts are of very limited term. We can't be handcuffing ourselves right now by tying up 4 million here and 5 million there for 3+ years; that's not the stage we're at in the process.

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4 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

So we saw this season that we were playing meaningful games later on in the season, almost until March, and showed that we can challenge for a playoff spot, albeit in a very weak Western conference. I think our big needs are still obvious and similar to most teams - a top-6 forward would be nice, and a top-4 defenceman. I think ideally, we really need more defensive depth as we saw our D get decimated by injuries and then we started spiralling out of the playoff picture, especially with Edler and Tanev out of the lineup. 

 

To address this, here are some simple signings we can do. The Canucks have 14M in cap space this off-season:

 

1) Re-signings. 

Dorsett and his 2.5M come off the books.

Re-sign Granlund for 1.5M

Tom Pyatt comes off the books saving 1.2M or we sign him to a cheap AHL contract

Leivo certainly deserves a raise, will get a nice longer contract, perhaps 1.5-2M, let's say 2M for argument's sake

Boeser is going to demand a long term big contract. Could be anywhere in the 5-7M area, I'd say 5.5M long term, similar to Horvat's deal.

Motte has played well for us, is expendable though and replaceable through the UFA but let's just say we re-sign him for 1M (or someone else for thereabouts the same amount)

Goldobin is a tricky one, probably deserves a bridge contract at 1.5M 

Edler is going to get re-signed, hopefully a similar contract, I doubt he'll take much of a pay-cut considering he's been our best D-man this year so expect 4.5-5M again short-term

Hutton has played well this year and I think he'll demand a bit more money, say 3.5M for him medium-term

Pouliot I think we either let go or sign cheaply for 1 to 1.5M

Could resign Mazanec to a cheap similar 600-800K deal and plant him in the AHL

Demko coming through will be our backup next season and warrant a bigger deal so his will be tricky, they might sign him long-term now or short term. I'd try a medium term deal, perhaps 2M

 

So with all that considered, our cap space moves to roughly 8-9M left after all the resignings.

 

2) UFA signings

 

There are certainly some big ticket free-agents out there, all of whom I doubt will want to come to Vancouver despite our tempting young kids to play with. I think we should aim at some lesser targets:

- Jake Gardiner for 5M would be my top priority. Big strong body, going to be the odd-man out in Toronto, mainly a lefty but has played on the right

- If no Gardiner, then Rutta, Sustr or Petrovic on the right might be some cheaper options for depth at around 2-3M

- Forwards-wise, one of Eberle, Hayes, Nyquist, Johansson, Zucarello, Brock Nelson or Anders Lee would be quite nice at 4-5M. Let's just say for argument's sake we get Johansson and just tuck him and Gardiner under our cap. MoJo isn't quite as offensively-gifted as say the Islander duo but he might be more attainable.

 

Johansson - Pettersson - Boeser

Baertschi - Horvat- Pearson

Leivo - Sutter - Eriksson

Roussel - Gaudette - Virtanen

Goldobin

Granlund

Motte

Beagle

Spooner

Shaller

 

Yes, it seems like a lot of depth up front, but we know this team is going to run into injuries and to be fair Goldobin and Granlund just aren't producing enough offence on most nights. We have a lot of dead-weights on this team who can't score and I think the bottom 3 or 4 of those guys should spend some time in the minors or consider trading them.

 

Edler - Stecher

Hughes - Gardiner

Hutton - Tanev

Schenn

Juolevi

Biega

Pouliot

Teves

 

We know this defence is going to run into injuries next season over long spells, the worst we've seen is 4 out at once, which is why having Hughes and Juolevi ready will help (although Juolevi may take a while to recover and develop), but having Gardiner there will really boost the quality of this defence at the same time.

 

Markstrom

Demko

 

Honestly, this team will make the playoffs, injuries or not, because it has the depth to do so and only requires a couple of UFA signings. I don't think JB will make too many big trades this off-season, if he does it might be to shed some of the dead-weights we have up front for picks or prospects.

 

 

 

We need a mean, tough physical D man........Luke Schenn?

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Good post for a fellow Melbourne boy @DownUndaCanuck

 

On the re-signings; think Boeser & Edler will both command more, Motte to a lesser degree. But I like the thought process.

 

I really like some of your forward targets.  I add to the list & prey for Panarin, then really like your suggestion Andres Lee at the opposite end of the physical spectrum. He could teach Jake how to score in a top 6 role, play physical. Johansen I am least excited about, unless Sutter is somehow not on the books?  But any of the rest of them. Eberle, bring him back to Western Canada! The agility and puck play of Panarin would be so refreshing, and such a good fit with Hughes, Petey & Brock. He would be worth the $9.5 he will command! We would be lightning fast, and have so much puck skill.

 

I don't have any interest in Gardiner.  A good D, victim of having someone better in TO stealing a role he is otherwise suited to. And the same would be the case here. Edler better defensively, Hughes will get the puck lugging minutes as Reilly took offesnively in the big smoke. He was always uncomfortable playing his off side in Toronto to find him a role.. Even though he put up points. Unless Edler does not re-sign. Then I think we may have fit for a Top 4 LHD like Gardiner.

 

But we also would hope Juolevi would arrive. So I think we have to be disciplined and get a RHD. I never thought of Petrovic? He would make a great depth signing. Kind of redundant if we sign Schenn though, probably a bit better? One or the other. Strallman would be a great fit. A bigger, somewhat, more experienced version of Stecher. Battles, can play both ends, does handle the puck. Just not a prolific scorer. Adds depth we need. Myers would also be a nice strategic fit, top 4. Tanev could still play tough defensive minutes, just less of them. Can skate, play on our 2knd power play, would be a logical offensive pair 5 on 5 with Hughes?

 

I of course like Karlsson, but believe in the stratosphere of cost, the odds both stacking against us. 

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Not a fan of either  Pouliot (he hasn't shown that he belongs in the league with how error prone he is) or Gardiner (could be redundant given how Hughes is showing he belongs; agreed with the poster above that we should get a RHD instead for that spot, and a safe one at that).  As well, I have Lee over Johansson for the top line LW spot, if we could get him then I'd try to do so, he adds sandpaper to the top line with Pete and Brock.     

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3 hours ago, c00kies said:

I think Edler gets 5M. I also think Boeser gets 6M+.

 

I don't dislike Granlund, but I think we are able to move on from him. 

 

I would like one of those guys at 4-5M (though Johansson is maybe a bit much for 5+), but you'll probably have to dedicate a longer term to them as well.

Granlund is an interesting discussion. Green has turned him into an effective bottom 6, primarily shut down player. He's 25, If he signs a 1 year deal, he's UFA next year.

 

A guy like Green himself?  Maybe Granlund won't not want to sign?  Wants a trade to a team that will still give him a shot as a scoring middle 6 winger? Go to Europe to be a top scoring forward...

 

But I think he is, and should take it like Green & a lot of players did, look also at Malhotra 15 years ago? Was put in a position to decide to be defensive player to stay in the NHL! And embrace it! Become a specialist. He can play either wing, centre, wins at the possession game... He's very good as a 4th line forward for us! Just CDC, and maybe himself, pines for big numbers from anyone who was once a strong prospect...

 

I think a team like Washington, he'd be very useful in Colorado? Would sign him next year UFA to do exactly what he is now. Support the offensive players by handling the tough minutes. If I were Granlund, I would sign a 1 year deal, ask $1.5 or $2 mill.  And like Malhotra in 2010, or Beagle last year, will get $3.0 or $3.5 as a defensive forward next year.

 

I also don't think we would be doing bad at all, to sign him for $2.5 for 3 years. 

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Anders Lee / Elias Pettersson / Brock Boeser

Anton Roussel / Bo Horvat / Jake Virtanen

 

That's a pretty good top 6 & Baertschi really will have that 2knd line wing if healthy. And to add scoring?  But that 2knd line has a lot of beef to it.

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41 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

On the re-signings; think Boeser & Edler will both command more

Look what Nick Schmaltz just commanded?

 

$5.85 for 7 years.

 

Bo might take a 1 year bridge deal so he can hit $9 mill per? 

 

In any case, I see it as hard to believe Boeser would command less than Schmaltz this summer.

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Granny, Goldy and Hutton are my trade pieces at the draft for extra picks. I don't see a long term future for any of these guys on the team. 

 

Sutter and Eriksson shopped around for teams trying to get to the salary cap floor ie. Carolina, Ottawa, etc. 

 

If we miss out on Panarin or Karlsson, the only other UFA im interested in is Zucarello. willing to overpay if we could get him in to a short term 2-3 years max. I think he'll fit right in very well and he's a good playmaker for Bo to play with.

 

Leivo - Pettersson - Boeser

Beartschi - Horvat - Zucarello

Pearson - Gaudette - Virtanen

Roussel - Beagle - MacEwen

 

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Short term deal for Edler will be 5.6 x 2 yrs......3yr deal maybe 5.2 average

 

We need to clean house on some vets..

1. Sutter must go maybe get 3rd rounder for him..Would help a contender 30years old now always hurt..

2. Schaller -- just move him

3. Pouliot -- Just move him for anything

4. Grandlund --- I really like him but we have players that have pushed him out..    .Pearson, Leivo

5.Spooner-- Think we need to move him also.. 

6. Beartchi ?? poor guy was having a good year until concussion issues...Trade value is nothing right now.

 

1. Pearson - Pettersson-- Boser

2. Leivo - Horvat -  Roussel

3.              Gaudette  Virtanen  -- Goldy ?? might have to trade him for young D man with same upside....He has lots of skill just missing defensive side of game.

4. Motte  Beagle  MacEwen 

 

Need to sign UFA  or trade for a # 3 D man

 

Exciting off season and future is looking very good 2-3 years away....Keep on track and build through draft...

 

Exciting Future some very good talent under 24 already...

 

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4 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Anders Lee / Elias Pettersson / Brock Boeser

Anton Roussel / Bo Horvat / Jake Virtanen

 

That's a pretty good top 6 & Baertschi really will have that 2knd line wing if healthy. And to add scoring?  But that 2knd line has a lot of beef to it.

Anders Lee would be a perfect fit.  The idea that he can be gotten for $4-5

milliom is pretty ludicrous though.

 

His last three year goal totals are 34, 40, 28 (so far this season).

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That’s the one thing that I keep thinking about:

 

Having both Pettersson and Hughes on ELC’s for the next 2-3 years has the potential to be a HUGE advantage............if we can somehow get rid of our current bad contracts (Eriksson, Sutter, Schaller) and use that freed up money to either bring in a franchise guy (Karlsson or Panarin) or bring in some serious depth.  

 

IF the Canucks can show some promise these next 2-3 years and perhaps win a round or two in the playoffs, then perhaps guys like Pettersson and Hughes can see some serious long term potential here.........in terms of the Canucks being a future multiple cup winner.  As a result, you significantly open up the possibility of guys like Pettersson and Hughes taking a discount of some kind when their ELC’s expire.  

 

If the Canucks continue to be a non-playoff team or 1st round fodder at best, then perhaps guys like Petey and Hughes will want to be nothing less than a premium price when their ELC’s expire.

 

My slight concern for the Canucks right now is that by the time our bad contracts come off the books, we’ll need to reup Petey and Hughes at this time........therefore, nothing having maximized their ELC status’.

 

Perhaps I’m wrong here as I haven’t done the math, but that’s my gut feeling.

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After last night., what the Canucks really need is:

 

1) rulebook 2.0 that favors the Canucks. 

2) refs that are not blind.  

3) NHL and media to love the Canucks. 

 

Not sure if JB can pull that off.

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