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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

It’s a big jump from College to the AHL.  Rafferty, even though he’s older (25?) is having a brilliant rookie season.  He’s on our team next season, and takes Stecher’s place.  Rafferty at 700 k is just a much better option for a bottom pair D man than Stecher at over 3 million.  

For most of the season he was not employed on the PK, lately he has been. Tonight a beauty short handed goal assisted by Juolevi. We may still have a very interesting future pairing here. Juolevi’s defensive game is improving and hopefully this off season he finally gets to get into top shape because he hopefully won’t be recovering from injury. Both of them have decent size, the break-out and the PP are strengths of both of them. 

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8 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

I think that is one of the reasons that Rafferty replaces Stetcher on the 3rd pairing. The Canucks will no doubt be looking to trim down their cap hit before a number of the star players are looking for big raises in pay.

Or maybe Rafferty paired with Hughes  -  that would like having Coffey and Niedermayer on the same defense pairing 

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1 minute ago, Ray_Cathode said:

For most of the season he was not employed on the PK, lately he has been. Tonight a beauty short handed goal assisted by Juolevi. We may still have a very interesting future pairing here. Juolevi’s defensive game is improving and hopefully this off season he finally gets to get into top shape because he hopefully won’t be recovering from injury. Both of them have decent size, the break-out and the PP are strengths of both of them. 

6’2” 200 for Raffy, and OJ is 6’3” and still developing so will be 220 in a while.  Both can skate, can think, can pass, can shoot, and are smart and compete.  

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Don't forget that Rafferty did make in impression at training camp this year before his (so far) great season. He was calm, smooth, smart and didn't look out of place. He was someone who earned praise from Benning. That has probably stuck with Benning and his season has shown that it would be worth a look. 

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11 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Or maybe Rafferty paired with Hughes  -  that would like having Coffey and Niedermayer on the same defense pairing 

I think I would prefer them to each have a more defensive minded partner as that gives them a bit more freedom to do what they do best and that is to provide offence with their skating and creativity.

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12 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

I think I would prefer them to each have a more defensive minded partner as that gives them a bit more freedom to do what they do best and that is to provide offence with their skating and creativity.

Always having the puck is also a pretty decent way to defend.

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1 hour ago, Ray_Cathode said:

So, I looked up the first six guys on the list - three of them are 29. Two of them are midgets at 5’ 9”. Rafferty is 6’2” 192, and has 36 points in 40 games, that is a points per game of 0.9, none of those I checked have that. Rafferty is plus 19. One of them did have a five year NHL career. They are not really comparable.

Do whatever you want with the info...form your own opinion.

 

I only did it for myself to get an idea how high scoring D in the AHL have fared in the past when they moved up to the NHL.  The ones that did exceptionally well in the NHL were all high scoring in the AHL 2 or 3 years earlier than Rafferty.

 

But who knows how this ends.

 

I will hope for the best without proclaiming Rafferty is gonna be some top D in the NHL.  He could possibly do well in the NHL or he could possibly not even fill the shoes of Stecher.  

 

I will wait to see without going all full homer or full negative nancy on the issue.

 

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1. Who was 29 at the time they placed high in the AHL?

2. "Two of them are midgets at 5’ 9”  -  you mean like Hughes??

 

That is the great thing about stats. We can all form our own opinion.

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1 minute ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Do whatever you want with the info...form your own opinion.

 

I only did it for myself to get an idea how high scoring D in the AHL have fared in the past when they moved up to the NHL.  The ones that did exceptionally well in the NHL were all high scoring in the AHL 2 or 3 years earlier than Rafferty.

 

But who knows how this ends.

 

I will hope for the best without proclaiming Rafferty is gonna be some top D in the NHL.  He could possibly do well in the NHL or he could possibly not even fill the shoes of Stecher.  

 

I will wait to see without going all full homer or full negative nancy on the issue.

Yeah, I don’t argue that nobody knows how it ends. He also just set up the winner by Jasek in OT 1g 3a for not a bad night’s work. The Comets had their three best skaters out in OT for the winner - Jasek, Bailey and Rafferty.

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32 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Always having the puck is also a pretty decent way to defend.

They get hemmed up in their own zone it would be rather troublesome. They are only 2/5 players on the ice and everyone is prone to mistakes. We saw Hughes last game give up a breakaway because he couldn't get back after roaming around offensively.

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Just now, Junkyard Dog said:

They get hemmed up in their own zone it would be rather troublesome. They are only 2/5 players on the ice and everyone is prone to mistakes. We saw Hughes last game give up a breakaway because he couldn't get back after roaming around offensively.

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1 minute ago, Junkyard Dog said:

They get hemmed up in their own zone it would be rather troublesome. They are only 2/5 players on the ice and everyone is prone to mistakes. We saw Hughes last game give up a breakaway because he couldn't get back after roaming around offensively.

When any pairing gets hemmed in their own end it’s troublesome. It’s especially troubling when they can’t make a decent outlet pass or optionally skate it out. And we do have our problems getting the puck out under control, which often results in the other team immediately re-entering our zone before we can change our tired players - a not infrequent occurrence for Vancouver this year.

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Does anyone know if Rafferty will be considered a rookie still next year? He’ll be 25. Couldn’t remember if it’s 25 or 26 when they become ineligible.

 

Im going to try and pick him in my Fantasy pool next year and we have to 1 rookie slotted on d at all times

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9 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Rafferty one of 4 Comets players in top 20 AHL scoring (others are Boucher, Goldy and Lind)

 

Leads all rookies (forwards and defensemen) and leads all defensemen

 

 

Yeah, 7th overall in league scoring as a rookie D and within a point or two of several players. Another player to watch though is rw Bailey - Hattie tonight second Hattie in his last three games - now 19g 11a 30 pts in 39 games. 6’4” 210 or so and an amazing skater - the fastest player in Utica.

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6 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

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When any pairing gets hemmed in their own end it’s troublesome. It’s especially troubling when they can’t make a decent outlet pass or optionally skate it out. And we do have our problems getting the puck out under control, which often results in the other team immediately re-entering our zone before we can change our tired players - a not infrequent occurrence for Vancouver this year.

Yeah but having 2 offensive guys out there in a position where the opposing teams best players are out there, defensively, is not the ideal situation to put players like Hughes and perhaps Rafferty in. That's why we have more defensive D and forwards to make the safe play, get the puck out and waste the opposing teams time on attack despite the fact that they won't see much offensive ice as well.

 

A reason why Hughes-Tanev works so well. They both play to their strengths while off-setting each others weaknesses for the most part. It's perfectly balanced as all things should be.

 

There's a time and place for everything though. Rafferty/Hughes would definitely be something i'd want to see when we are down late in a game or on a PP. Not as much if we're holding onto a lead or on a PK, I would rather see Edler-Tanev out there.

 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Yeah, 7th overall in league scoring as a rookie D and within a point or two of several players. Another player to watch though is rw Bailey - Hattie tonight second Hattie in his last three games - now 19g 11a 30 pts in 39 games. 6’4” 210 or so and an amazing skater - the fastest player in Utica.

Rafferty is 24 so he's not a kid but what impresses me is that he has made the jump from the NCAA (he had 0.63 ppg and +/- 0) to a tougher league in Utica BUT has improved his stats to 0.85 ppg and +17.  Talk about a jump.

 

Watch this short handed goal tonight.  Beam him up Jim!!

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Yeah but having 2 offensive guys out there in a position where the opposing teams best players are out there, defensively, is not the ideal situation to put players like Hughes and perhaps Rafferty in. That's why we have more defensive D and forwards to make the safe play, get the puck out and waste the opposing teams time on attack despite the fact that they won't see much offensive ice as well.

 

A reason why Hughes-Tanev works so well. They both play to their strengths while off-setting each others weaknesses for the most part. It's perfectly balanced as all things should be.

 

There's a time and place for everything though. Rafferty/Hughes would definitely be something i'd want to see when we are down late in a game or on a PP. Not as much if we're holding onto a lead or on a PK, I would rather see Edler-Tanev out there.

It's not a zero-sum game, or that a player is either offensive or defensive to the exclusion of the other.  Hughes plays D very well, he's not "purely offensive."  It's more about getting good matches that work well together.  You could have 6 offensively-talented defencemen and still have a solid defense overall.

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1 minute ago, Silky mitts said:

Time to give him a shot. If he belongs we should look into moving Stecher or tanev 

This is what I want them to do. Stetcher anyway not Tanev. The boat on trading Tanev I feel has passed with so much on this team to make the playoffs now. Stetchers 13 minute 3rd pairing numbers can be replaced by the youth and or Benn. Cycle out some of the guys that won’t be here collecting picks along the way. Would love to see them also trade Sutter and Leivo while bringing up MacEwan as the 13th forward full time.

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