Popular Post Franz Liszt Posted April 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2019 To NJD: Gaudette, Demko 10th OA, our 3 6ths To VAN Blackwood, 1st OA, their lowest 2nd 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 They say no. And honestly Id say no too. Keep our youth, don't mortgage the future for immediate improvements. Honestly the only truly tradeable pieces we have this summer are Hutton, Sutter (maybe Beagle but I doubt it), Pearson, Granlund, Goldobin, Tanev. Everyone and everything else either has no value (Eriksson, Spooner, Schaller, Biega, Pouliot) or is worth keeping as they are part of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyking Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 NJD believe that Blackwood is better then Demko due to being younger and how well he did this year , there no way they trade him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Shero is not trading 1st overall because that could also cost him Taylor Hall. He said that his priority in the off-season is to add skills. NJD has the work ethic and the speed - they have the right culture but not enough talent. Taylor Hall yesterday said that he is not ready to talk extension because their team lacks talent. He would like nothing more than to stay there, but he wants to win and the team is just not skilled enough right now. He wants to see what happens in the off-season before committing long term. He jokingly said that winning the lottery would be a step in the right direction. He knows Hughes from training with him in the summer. The Edmonton Journal has been referring to a study where performance is also accounted for to assign draft pick value. That study concludes that: "The difference between drafting 10th and drafting 6th is about four second round picks. The difference between drafting 10th and winning the third overall pick in the lottery is nine second round picks. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindustan Smyl Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Franz Liszt said: To NJD: Gaudette, Demko 10th OA, our 3 6ths To VAN Blackwood, 1st OA, their lowest 2nd 1) NJD’s GM laughs. 2) NJD’s GM farts in the receiver. 3) NJD’s GM hangs up the phone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Franz Liszt said: To NJD: Gaudette, Demko 10th OA, our 3 6ths To VAN Blackwood, 1st OA, their lowest 2nd Demko OJ Virtanen and our 10th for the 1st. realistically i think. not saying that i would do it but thats probably what it would take. Edited April 10, 2019 by TNucks1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, TNucks1 said: Demko OJ Virtanen and our 10th for the 1st. realistically i think. not saying that i would do it but thats probably what it would take. The 10th pick has 25% the value of 1st overall. In other words 1st overall is the equivalent of 4x 10th overall. Virtanen, Demko and OJ don't bridge that kind of gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoolander Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: They say no. And honestly Id say no too. Keep our youth, don't mortgage the future for immediate improvements. Honestly the only truly tradeable pieces we have this summer are Hutton, Sutter (maybe Beagle but I doubt it), Pearson, Granlund, Goldobin, Tanev. Everyone and everything else either has no value (Eriksson, Spooner, Schaller, Biega, Pouliot) or is worth keeping as they are part of the future. Is it mortgaging the future if we're getting a core piece of the future in return? Gaudette, Madden, Juolevi, Woo, DiPietro, Lind, Gadjovich, Jasek, etc For me they are all expendable if the return is Hughes Edited April 10, 2019 by Zoolander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said: 1) NJD’s GM laughs. 2) NJD’s GM farts in the receiver. 3) NJD’s GM hangs up the phone. You did it wrong, switch out one and two and nailed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 And cue one thousand threads about this years first (good thing we didn’t win the year we drafted EP right?). EP and our 10th or Boeser our 10th and next years first no protection. That’s about what it would take ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Horvat, Virtanen and OJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think maybe: 10th oa horvat markstrom virtanen for 1oa schneider (cap dump/goalie swap) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Maybe NJ says to us what would you want for QH and gives us their first and second next year plus 3 seconds this year or what would it take for that to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 6 hours ago, mll said: The Edmonton Journal has been referring to a study where performance is also accounted for to assign draft pick value. People from Edmonton discussing the value of draft picks.......Hmmmmm......jk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, The_Rocket said: I think maybe: 10th oa horvat markstrom virtanen for 1oa schneider (cap dump/goalie swap) Value-wise, that's probably close...but the reason 1st overall are never traded is because, both teams would reject that trade, even if value is spot on. Only reasons to acquire 1st overall, would be to massively overpay, like adding 2020 and 2021, 1st rounders to that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Heres one for you what would it take to trade the Black Hawks out of their First. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 6 hours ago, mll said: Shero is not trading 1st overall because that could also cost him Taylor Hall. He said that his priority in the off-season is to add skills. NJD has the work ethic and the speed - they have the right culture but not enough talent. Taylor Hall yesterday said that he is not ready to talk extension because their team lacks talent. He would like nothing more than to stay there, but he wants to win and the team is just not skilled enough right now. He wants to see what happens in the off-season before committing long term. He jokingly said that winning the lottery would be a step in the right direction. He knows Hughes from training with him in the summer. The Edmonton Journal has been referring to a study where performance is also accounted for to assign draft pick value. That study concludes that: "The difference between drafting 10th and drafting 6th is about four second round picks. The difference between drafting 10th and winning the third overall pick in the lottery is nine second round picks. " you have a link to that article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Heres one for you what would it take to trade the Black Hawks out of their First. I like this idea. I think that pick is more up for grabs than the 1oa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Glug Datt said: you have a link to that article? If you click on "draft pick value" in my initial post it brings you to the article (- sometimes it's just easier to link the articles that way as it takes less place) but here it is: https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/its-worth-it-for-this-edmonton-oilers-team-not-to-tank-but-theres-a-high-price-attached 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 7 hours ago, mll said: The Edmonton Journal has been referring to a study where performance is also accounted for to assign draft pick value. That study concludes that: "The difference between drafting 10th and drafting 6th is about four second round picks. The difference between drafting 10th and winning the third overall pick in the lottery is nine second round picks. " Thats an interesting article. If correct, it means that Petey would have been expected to have 44.8% of the value of Hischier, which is clearly not the case. But maybe overall when you account for all picks its a decent rule of thumb when thinking about trade values. IMO there's just no scenario where we trade up to 1st or 2nd that doesn't involve Boeser. Its safe to say if people knew what they know now, Brock could easily have gone 10-12th overall. So thats upping his value by 3-4 2nd rounders according to the article. What I'm curious about is drafting skill - not the kids, the people selecting them. Is there enough information or scouting techniques out there, that a team could legitimately figure out who the next "Barzal" is? Or is that just not possible and kids have to emerge on their own and it comes down to some luck too? I'd love to be able to sit in on one of Brackett's scouting meetings to understand more about it. Seems like more art than science for a lot of teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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