mll Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) . Edited April 11, 2019 by mll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 10th + Juolevi for Trouba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/11/2019 at 9:31 AM, 73 Percent said: I like this idea. Jets may sign myers if trouba walks. 10th+ virtanen+ sautner Trouba+ copp The tenth and Tanev gets it done IMO. Then sign a RHD depth player. Trouba, Stecher, Schenn Biega Trymakin (hoping) and Woo. Plus Bris can play RD too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/11/2019 at 6:15 AM, smokes said: I'd rather keep the 10th and go after Myers than to give up assets. This 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/11/2019 at 3:34 PM, Grape said: 10th + Juolevi for Trouba No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: No Me neither. I'm just saying the value I think it'll take to get him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Grape said: Me neither. I'm just saying the value I think it'll take to get him You may be right but I’m with both of you that it’s a no go. Once you put a name to the 10th it looks even worse: Boldy and Joulevi for Trouba. Me no likey. I think the 10th alone for that type of player is something to consider but it may not get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: You may be right but I’m with both of you that it’s a no go. Once you put a name to the 10th it looks even worse: Boldy and Joulevi for Trouba. Me no likey. I think the 10th alone for that type of player is something to consider but it may not get it done. People are over rating the value of the 10th overall pick. Go back and look at the last 40 or so 10th picks. There’s one superstar (Selanne). Some solid NHlers, and a lot of busts. Yes. There’s the potential of getting a very good player. But it’s not as high a chance as people like to think 10th Overall NHL Draft Picks Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By 2013 Valeri Nichushkin W Chelyabinsk (RUS) Dallas Stars 2012 Slater Koekkoek D Peterborough (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning 2011 Jonas Brodin D Farjestad (Swe) Minnesota Wild 2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers 2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers 2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks 2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers 2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers 2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks 2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers 2003 Andrei Kostitsyn LW/RW CSKA Moscow (Russia) Montreal Canadiens 2002 Eric Nystrom LW U. of Michigan (NCAA) Calgary Flames 2001 Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) New York Rangers 2000 Mikhail Yakubov C Tolyatti-2 Chicago Blackhawks 1999 Branislav Mezei D Belleville Bulls (OHL) New York Islanders 1998 Nikolai Antropov C Torpedo UST-Kamengorsk (Russia) Toronto Maple Leafs 1997 Brad Ference D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Vancouver Canucks 1996 Lance Ward D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) New Jersey Devils 1995 Radek Dvorak RW Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) Florida Panthers 1994 Nolan Baumgartner D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) Washington Capitals 1993 Jocelyn Thibault G Sherbrooke Faucons (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques 1992 Andrei Nazarov LW Moscow Dynamo (Russia) San Jose Sharks 1991 Martin Lapointe RW Laval Titan (QMJHL) Detroit Red Wings 1990 Drake Berehowsky D Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs 1989 Bobby Holik C Dukla Jihlava (Czech) Hartford Whalers 1988 Teemu Selanne RW Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Winnipeg Jets 1987 Jayson More D New Westminster Bruins (WHL) New York Rangers 1986 Jocelyn Lemieux LW Laval Titan (QMJHL) St. Louis Blues 1985 Dan Gratton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Los Angeles Kings 1984 J.J. Daigneault D Longueuil Chevaliers (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks 1983 Normand Lacombe RW U. of New Hampshire (NCAA) Buffalo Sabres 1981 Garth Butcher D Regina Pats (WHL) Vancouver Canucks 1980 Jim Fox F Ottawa 67's (OHA) Los Angeles Kings Edited April 15, 2019 by qwijibo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, qwijibo said: People are over rating the value of the 10th overall pick. Go back and look at the last 40 or so 10th picks. There’s one superstar (Selanne). Some solid NHlers, and a lot of busts. Yes. There’s the potential of getting a very good player. But it’s not as high a chance as people like to think 10th Overall NHL Draft Picks Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By 2013 Valeri Nichushkin W Chelyabinsk (RUS) Dallas Stars 2012 Slater Koekkoek D Peterborough (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning 2011 Jonas Brodin D Farjestad (Swe) Minnesota Wild 2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers 2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers 2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks 2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers 2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers 2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks 2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers 2003 Andrei Kostitsyn LW/RW CSKA Moscow (Russia) Montreal Canadiens 2002 Eric Nystrom LW U. of Michigan (NCAA) Calgary Flames 2001 Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) New York Rangers 2000 Mikhail Yakubov C Tolyatti-2 Chicago Blackhawks 1999 Branislav Mezei D Belleville Bulls (OHL) New York Islanders 1998 Nikolai Antropov C Torpedo UST-Kamengorsk (Russia) Toronto Maple Leafs 1997 Brad Ference D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Vancouver Canucks 1996 Lance Ward D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) New Jersey Devils 1995 Radek Dvorak RW Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) Florida Panthers 1994 Nolan Baumgartner D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) Washington Capitals 1993 Jocelyn Thibault G Sherbrooke Faucons (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques 1992 Andrei Nazarov LW Moscow Dynamo (Russia) San Jose Sharks 1991 Martin Lapointe RW Laval Titan (QMJHL) Detroit Red Wings 1990 Drake Berehowsky D Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs 1989 Bobby Holik C Dukla Jihlava (Czech) Hartford Whalers 1988 Teemu Selanne RW Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Winnipeg Jets 1987 Jayson More D New Westminster Bruins (WHL) New York Rangers 1986 Jocelyn Lemieux LW Laval Titan (QMJHL) St. Louis Blues 1985 Dan Gratton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Los Angeles Kings 1984 J.J. Daigneault D Longueuil Chevaliers (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks 1983 Normand Lacombe RW U. of New Hampshire (NCAA) Buffalo Sabres 1981 Garth Butcher D Regina Pats (WHL) Vancouver Canucks 1980 Jim Fox F Ottawa 67's (OHA) Los Angeles Kings Agreed and I would take the sure thing if offered (My vote would still be for Ristolainen) because he is a fairly sure thing that meets a big need. i think the value of a pick also fluctuates by time of year. Leading towards the draft it goes up. Some other poster mentioned that the #1 pick just before the draft will be higher value than Jack Hughes after the draft. I tend to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 That is also a sad list at 10. Does 10 happen to be one of the unluckiest draft spots? Wonder what 9 or 11 looks like as a comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7Nucks Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: That is also a sad list at 10. Does 10 happen to be one of the unluckiest draft spots? Wonder what 9 or 11 looks like as a comparison. Understandably leaves out the last 5 drafts but Rantanen was drafted at 10. Jost, Bouchard, Tippett and Ritchie don't exactly make that list look any better though. Lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, qwijibo said: People are over rating the value of the 10th overall pick. Go back and look at the last 40 or so 10th picks. There’s one superstar (Selanne). Some solid NHlers, and a lot of busts. Yes. There’s the potential of getting a very good player. But it’s not as high a chance as people like to think 10th Overall NHL Draft Picks Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By 2013 Valeri Nichushkin W Chelyabinsk (RUS) Dallas Stars 2012 Slater Koekkoek D Peterborough (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning 2011 Jonas Brodin D Farjestad (Swe) Minnesota Wild 2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers 2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers 2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks 2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers 2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers 2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks 2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers 2003 Andrei Kostitsyn LW/RW CSKA Moscow (Russia) Montreal Canadiens 2002 Eric Nystrom LW U. of Michigan (NCAA) Calgary Flames 2001 Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) New York Rangers 2000 Mikhail Yakubov C Tolyatti-2 Chicago Blackhawks 1999 Branislav Mezei D Belleville Bulls (OHL) New York Islanders 1998 Nikolai Antropov C Torpedo UST-Kamengorsk (Russia) Toronto Maple Leafs 1997 Brad Ference D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Vancouver Canucks 1996 Lance Ward D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) New Jersey Devils 1995 Radek Dvorak RW Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) Florida Panthers 1994 Nolan Baumgartner D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) Washington Capitals 1993 Jocelyn Thibault G Sherbrooke Faucons (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques 1992 Andrei Nazarov LW Moscow Dynamo (Russia) San Jose Sharks 1991 Martin Lapointe RW Laval Titan (QMJHL) Detroit Red Wings 1990 Drake Berehowsky D Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs 1989 Bobby Holik C Dukla Jihlava (Czech) Hartford Whalers 1988 Teemu Selanne RW Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Winnipeg Jets 1987 Jayson More D New Westminster Bruins (WHL) New York Rangers 1986 Jocelyn Lemieux LW Laval Titan (QMJHL) St. Louis Blues 1985 Dan Gratton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Los Angeles Kings 1984 J.J. Daigneault D Longueuil Chevaliers (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks 1983 Normand Lacombe RW U. of New Hampshire (NCAA) Buffalo Sabres 1981 Garth Butcher D Regina Pats (WHL) Vancouver Canucks 1980 Jim Fox F Ottawa 67's (OHA) Los Angeles Kings this is a completely false analysis there is nothing at all to suggest that there is something meaningful to this particular draft position and that this somehow carries forward from year to year (tell us all please what it is that is carrying forward???) this is all nonsense and a most superficial way to assess what has happened it is a misunderstanding about how stats and trends in fact work meaningfully (do you really think a team will trade out of the #10 slot to a lower slot in belief that the lower slot has more value based on this historical data?? because that is what is being suggested) it all comes down to who is doing the drafting brock at 23rd defies the history of the 23 draft slot in the 1st round jb can do a lot with the 10th slot.. more then most it is a valuable slot to this team i think it can produce a very high end to elite player history has no impact on this potential outcome Edited April 15, 2019 by coastal.view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, coastal.view said: this is a completely false analysis there is nothing at all to suggest that there is something meaningful to this particular draft position and that this somehow carries forward from year to year (tell us all please what it is that is carrying forward???) this is all nonsense and a most superficial way to assess what has happened it is a misunderstanding about how stats and trends in fact work meaningfully (do you really think a team will trade out of the #10 slot to a lower slot in belief that the lower slot has more value based on this historical data?? because that is what is being suggested) it all comes down to who is doing the drafting brock at 23rd defies the history of the 23 draft slot in the 1st round jb can do a lot with the 10th slot.. more then most it is a valuable slot to this team i think it can produce a very high end to elite player history has no impact on this potential outcome I said there’s still a chance of getting a very good player with the 10th pick. The difference is the players available at that point are less the “sure thing” variety and more the “project” variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Yeah, instead of the Jets trading Trouba (a 50 point defenseman) to a team like Philadelphia, where they could target someone like Ghost + in return, I’m sure they’d prefer a 10th overall pick and a B prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Monty said: Yeah, instead of the Jets trading Trouba (a 50 point defenseman) to a team like Philadelphia, where they could target someone like Ghost + in return, I’m sure they’d prefer a 10th overall pick and a B prospect. I see you're being sarcastic. I thought the whole idea was based on the Jets being against the cap, and needing to move out a guy like Trouba to save cap space? Or is it more that Trouba is not going to sign long term with the Jets? If it's a cap issue, then I do see the Jets wanting a high pick, and (not b level) top prospect, so they save money. If it's about Trouba not signing, then clearly trading for another top D of similar age makes way more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Trouba’s Cap hit is going to be insane. Looking at what OLiver Ekman Larsson sighted for in AZ, I’d bet Trouba comes in north of 8 million. Jets might almost be better off re-signing Myers for 7 million and trading trouba for a massive haul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Alflives said: I see you're being sarcastic. I thought the whole idea was based on the Jets being against the cap, and needing to move out a guy like Trouba to save cap space? Or is it more that Trouba is not going to sign long term with the Jets? If it's a cap issue, then I do see the Jets wanting a high pick, and (not b level) top prospect, so they save money. If it's about Trouba not signing, then clearly trading for another top D of similar age makes way more sense. Alf I made this for you before you went missing. Its the right aspect ratio 250x250 for an avatar, if you want it, its yours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, The_Rocket said: trading trouba for a massive haul Definitely. 10 minutes ago, The_Rocket said: Jets might almost be better off re-signing Myers for 7 million No, they’ll let some other team make that mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Monty said: Definitely. No, they’ll let some other team make that mistake. So they’re just going to let both of them go? The only other RD they have is joe morrow (who is also rfa at the end of the year). Jets would go from having one one of the best D-cores in the league to middle of the pack at best. Especially if Byfuglien has another injury riddled season like this year. They’d have to trade trouba for another top 2 defensemen to stay an elite team, which is easier said the done. Who could they target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, The_Rocket said: So they’re just going to let both of them go? The only other RD they have is joe morrow (who is also rfa at the end of the year). Jets would go from having one one of the best D-cores in the league to middle of the pack at best. Especially if Byfuglien has another injury riddled season like this year. They’d have to trade trouba for another top 2 defensemen to stay an elite team, which is easier said the done. Who could they target? They need a LHD. There’s been speculation for a while that Philly would be the perfect trading partner for them. Philly has Ghost, Provorov, and Sanheim on the left side, and their best RHD is Gudas, who’s a pending UFA. Makes sense not their part. As for Winnipeg, they are really high on Jonathan Kovacevic (just finished college and signed) and Dylan Samberg (just won his second straight college National championship). Kovacevic is a natural RHD, whereas Samberg has played both sides in the past. Long story short, Trouba won’t extend in Winnipeg, so they’ll get a haul for him. And the last thing they need is tie up a ridiculous amount of money into Tyler “Mistake Central” Myers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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