Joe Biden Debates Donald Trump September 29

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

People keep saying this and frankly, I find it a little baffling......yes, JB is the gaffe king, but he'll be going up against a guy who can't even work an umbrella FFS....

Is it going to be too much fun to watch, or too sad to watch?

[24K PureCool]

Biden is absolutely the worst moderate Candidate DNC could have choosen. Kamala Harris or even Julian Castro (ok maybe the last name doesn't help) were the most electable out of the bunch but had to drop out due to crowding of the moderate lane.

 

Had DNC been smart, they would have ended Biden before it even begun and put all their chips on one of those two. Mark my word, Biden would lose to Trump in a landslide. Heck Biden may actually even lose the popular vote. 

[PhillipBlunt]

25 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

If you say so,

If I say so? You do realize that American politics is driven by lobbyists for major corporations, right?

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but by that attitude, why vote for anyone?

Well, I'm Canadian, so I can merely watch what's going on down south. That being said, I consider the right to vote something that I should exercise, regardless of the fact that lobbying exists. Just because one is aware of the fact that certain pieces of a political system are compromised, doesn't mean that they should look at their vote as meaningless.

 

That's flawed, self-defeatist logic.

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It's just my belief that a government should be representative of the populace as a whole.

Should. For sure. Democratic voters who came out to vote in the 2018 midterms ensured that there was a strong mixture of people speaking on their behalf and those who were elected to public office. That was a great sign. Many of those people, including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, want to actually affect change for future generations.

 

Yet the Democratic establishment would prefer that her, Bernie Sanders, and others were sidelined and marginalized when it comes to the presidency.

 

Certainly, in the US, skin color is still very relevant for some archaic reason. It shouldn't be. Drumbpf isn't a repulsive piece of excrement because he's an old, straight, Caucasian male. He's a POS because of how he thinks, the belief system he continues to adhere to, and because he views monetary value as the primary value.

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You're free to disagree with me.

Been on the CDC for a few years now....but thanks.

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[Boudrias]

2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

If I say so? You do realize that American politics is driven by lobbyists for major corporations, right?

Well, I'm Canadian, so I can merely watch what's going on down south. That being said, I consider the right to vote something that I should exercise, regardless of the fact that lobbying exists. Just because one is aware of the fact that certain pieces of a political system are compromised, doesn't mean that they should look at their vote as meaningless.

 

That's flawed, self-defeatist logic.

Should. For sure. Democratic voters who came out to vote in the 2018 midterms ensured that there was a strong mixture of people speaking on their behalf and those who were elected to public office. That was a great sign. Many of those people, including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, want to actually affect change for future generations.

 

Yet the Democratic establishment would prefer that her, Bernie Sanders, and others were sidelined and marginalized when it comes to the presidency.

 

Certainly, in the US, skin color is still very relevant for some archaic reason. It shouldn't be. Drumbpf isn't a repulsive piece of excrement because he's an old, straight, Caucasian male. He's a POS because of how he thinks, the belief system he continues to adhere to, and because he views monetary value as the primary value.

Been on the CDC for a few years now....but thanks.

I thought Obama was black? Served 2 terms.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Boudrias

[Toews]

1 minute ago, 24K PureCool said:

Biden is absolutely the worst moderate Candidate DNC could have choosen. Kamala Harris or even Julian Castro (ok maybe the last name doesn't help) were the most electable out of the bunch but had to drop out due to crowding of the moderate lane.

 

Had DNC been smart, they would have ended Biden before it even begun and put all their chips on one of those two. Mark my word, Biden would lose to Trump in a landslide. Heck Biden may actually even lose the popular vote. 

Why? Trump got himself impeached just trying to dig up something on Biden. He is also old, white and a man, all traits that helped Trump get into office. Its also going to be harder trying to get stuff to stick on Biden especially when we have now have four years of open corruption from Trump. This wasn't the case the last election where Trump was a political novice with no record in politics. 

[RUPERTKBD]

23 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I see it more as the dem's screwing U30s. Obama/Biden didn't do much for them, Biden/? will do even less if by some miracle he wins. 

Well, I guess where we disagree is that saying they think something is too expensive amounts to "screwing" U30s. I'd be willing to bet that if there were some proof that single payer healthcare and free tuition would pay for themselves, there would be broader support.

 

Personally, I don't blame the Democratic establishment for fearing that Bernie's promises will cost them the election.

[JM_]

1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Well, I guess where we disagree is that saying they think something is too expensive amounts to "screwing" U30s. I'd be willing to bet that if there were some proof that single payer healthcare and free tuition would pay for themselves, there would be broader support.

 

Personally, I don't blame the Democratic establishment for fearing that Bernie's promises will cost them the election.

I'm talking about right now, today. U30s have been squeezed out of the housing market. They have been saddled with ridiculous student loan debt. Jobs with real benefits are getting harder to find. Thats what U30s are starting down. Us X's and older did not face that, on the whole.

 

As far as the promises go, everyone knows Bernie's ideas are aspirational. But at least he wants to do some good. We know the others have just put U30s in the pickle they are in now. 

[RUPERTKBD]

21 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Is it going to be too much fun to watch, or too sad to watch?

Sad. I think the world "Picard" supply will run dangerously low....

[RUPERTKBD]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'm talking about right now, today. U30s have been squeezed out of the housing market. They have been saddled with ridiculous student loan debt. Jobs with real benefits are getting harder to find. Thats what U30s are starting down. Us X's and older did not face that, on the whole.

 

As far as the promises go, everyone knows Bernie's ideas are aspirational. But at least he wants to do some good. We know the others have just put U30s in the pickle they are in now. 

Do they?

 

You don't believe that any undecided voters will buy into the "Venezuela" mantra that the GOP will be pounding away at?

 

I'd actually prefer Bernie myself. But beating Trump is more important, IMO. Time to aspire when he's gone.

[nuckin_futz]

9 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I thought Obama was black? Served 2 terms.

Technically he's mulatto.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'm talking about right now, today. U30s have been squeezed out of the housing market. They have been saddled with ridiculous student loan debt. Jobs with real benefits are getting harder to find. Thats what U30s are starting down. Us X's and older did not face that, on the whole.

 

As far as the promises go, everyone knows Bernie's ideas are aspirational. But at least he wants to do some good. We know the others have just put U30s in the pickle they are in now. 

Even Tucker Carlson said he believed Bernie to be an honest person.  Bernie honestly believes in his philosophy of social change being needed to help the next generations.  Is Sleepy Joe as honest?  

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Do they?

 

You don't believe that any undecided voters will buy into the "Venezuela" mantra that the GOP will be pounding away at?

 

I'd actually prefer Bernie myself. But beating Trump is more important, IMO. Time to aspire when he's gone.

some might, sure. But I think that would be overwhelmed by U30 support.

 

Trump just printed 1 trillion in new debt, and Bernie is the Venezuela worry  its a joke. Bernie can also be kept in check easier than Trump, who seems to have a magic power to turn GOP members into the gimp from Pulp Fiction. 

[Boudrias]

Just now, Alflives said:

Even Tucker Carlson said he believed Bernie to be an honest person.  Bernie honestly believes in his philosophy of social change being needed to help the next generations.  Is Sleepy Joe as honest?  

Have you ever talked to a communist who wasn’t sincere?

[Alflives]

13 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I thought Obama was black? Served 2 terms.

Michelle Obama would win two terms if she ran.  She could run right now as an independent, and easily destroy Small Hands and Sleepy Joe.  

[Kragar]

41 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

just seemed like a good segue. A lot of  on this thread about Bernie being a "commie" and will spend money like a drunken sailor.... and yet the GOP.....

 

 

Well, to be fair... free medical, housing and education will take a more than a little bit of money.  And some of us can see through some of Bernie's fuzzy math. 

 

I had a thought last night.  If one accepts the premise that the country is in decline, I figured out an analogy that I think is pretty reasonable.

 

Consider a patient (country) who has already had bypass surgery, and is diabetic.  The Republican Party brings the cigars and the burgers, and the Democrats bring the liquor and all the dessert for the festivities. Both are hurting the patient, right?

 

With Bernie and AOC (among others), they bring the gun, say "screw it" and shoot the patient in the head.

[RUPERTKBD]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

some might, sure. But I think that would be overwhelmed by U30 support.

 

Trump just printed 1 trillion in new debt, and Bernie is the Venezuela worry  its a joke. Bernie can also be kept in check easier than Trump, who seems to have a magic power to turn GOP members into the gimp from Pulp Fiction. 

Maybe....I guess it comes down to a question of "Which is greater: The number of people who refuse to vote for a Socialist, or the number of people who refuse to vote for anyone but a Socialist?"

 

Either might be correct, but as I said earlier, I don't blame the establishment for thinking it's the former.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Boudrias said:

Have you ever talked to a communist who wasn’t sincere?

I’ve never been one to go into those cappuccino coffee shops, where the socialists hang out.  Never saw any of those people in the places I went, that were full of men with dirty hands after an honest day’s work.  

[inane]

7 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Have you ever talked to a communist who wasn’t sincere?

 

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

I’ve never been one to go into those cappuccino coffee shops, where the socialists hang out.  Never saw any of those people in the places I went, that were full of men with dirty hands after an honest day’s work.  

the willful and/or oblivious ignorance is painful to see. I can only hope this is some online caricature performance you guys are acting out. 

[nuckin_futz]

11 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Maybe....I guess it comes down to a question of "Which is greater: The number of people who refuse to vote for a Socialist, or the number of people who refuse to vote for anyone but a Socialist?"

 

Either might be correct, but as I said earlier, I don't blame the establishment for thinking it's the former.

There is a reason Trump was so scared of Biden he risked impeachment to get dirt on him.

 

He's not afraid of Bernie or Warren because he knows he can paint them as socialists/commies. And his followers will gobble that up and parrot it right back.

 

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

― George Carlin

 

 

[PhillipBlunt]

43 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I believe so, but there may be some PAC money in there too I'm not sure. He's certainly not bought by any corporate $.

 

"just beat Trump" seems like such a cop out. How about lets change things for our kids? 

Just beat Drumbpf is a total cop out. Why not state why they should be considered a better party to run the country? The DNC seems to want to back and endorse the candidate that breeds familiarity to their establishment fawning base, without any consideration for what that said candidate stands for.

 

Like you've stated, the voters under 30 like Bernie because he speaks to them, not to their parents. He talks about pertinent, day to day circumstances that affect millions of people in the US, and doesn't just focus on talking about the assclown in chief.

 

His rhetoric isn't the atypical corporate metered approach to public speaking that so many candidates spew. He's walked the walk for decades, and to a lot people, that means something.