PhillipBlunt Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Boudrias said: I thought Obama was black? Served 2 terms. Obama is half African American and half Irish. And yes he served two terms. What's your point exactly? Edited March 4, 2020 by PhillipBlunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, inane said: the willful and/or oblivious ignorance is painful to see. I can only hope this is some online caricature performance you guys are acting out. Why don’t you try posting your opinion on the topic of discussion instead just insulting those who view the world differently than you do? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Obama is half African American and half Irish. And yes he served two terms. What's your point exactly? That a fundamentally racist society elected a black man 2x as POTUS. People cannot be all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, Alflives said: Why don’t you try posting your opinion on the topic of discussion instead just insulting those who view the world differently than you do? it's hard to know where to even start the discussion when you come from a worldview of 'lazy, cappuccino sipping lefties' vs 'hard working righties'. That's such a fundamentally flawed, ignorant, intellectually dishonest, out of touch perspective, what's the point. The world is not black or white yet this board is full of people who only ever post within that lens. It's hard to take any of this seriously. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, inane said: it's hard to know where to even start the discussion when you come from a worldview of 'lazy, cappuccino sipping lefties' vs 'hard working righties'. That's such a fundamentally flawed, ignorant, intellectually dishonest, out of touch perspective, what's the point. The world is not black or white yet this board is full of people who only ever post within that lens. It's hard to take any of this seriously. Oversimplification is the lifeblood of politics. Neither left or right want you to look to closely at their promises. Politicians like to pass themselves off as wise old owls but they are certainly, mostly, not that. Most discussions are subjective drivel. As a fiscal conservative I try to make the numbers a yardstick that does not lie. But of course even that is debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, Boudrias said: Oversimplification is the lifeblood of politics. Neither left or right want you to look to closely at their promises. Politicians like to pass themselves off as wise old owls but they are certainly, mostly, not that. Most discussions are subjective drivel. As a fiscal conservative I try to make the numbers a yardstick that does not lie. But of course even that is debatable. haha agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, Boudrias said: That a fundamentally racist society elected a black man 2x as POTUS. People cannot be all bad. I don't think that the entirety of the country thinks that way. There are plenty of people around the US who see beyond melanin, which is hopefully growing in number. And the entire society didn't elect him. There were potentially millions who were incensed at his presidency. My statement isn't focused on the people of the country but the level of greed in their government that has turned the position of president into more of a figurehead than an actual operative position. Very few, if any, get to that level of government without being extremely beholden to the party's "donors", and Obama was no exception. I suppose that's why so much of Drumbpf's base worships the guy, as it seems as though he's intent on making sure that everyone knows that he, and he alone, is in charge. It's still an illusion though, as a phone call from Wayne Lapierre quickly proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 57 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: There is a reason Trump was so scared of Biden he risked impeachment to get dirt on him. He's not afraid of Bernie or Warren because he knows he can paint them as socialists/commies. And his followers will gobble that up and parrot it right back. “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin I think there's a point in there that many are missing: It's all opinion of course, but from what we've seen in the past few weeks/months, both Trump and his puppet master, Vlad, think that Bernie is an easier candidate for him to face in a general election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I think there's a point in there that many are missing: It's all opinion of course, but from what we've seen in the past few weeks/months, both Trump and his puppet master, Vlad, think that Bernie is an easier candidate for him to face in a general election. I think Bernie’s pathway is narrower, in terms of electoral college and potential flippable states from 2016. Bernie basically needs to flip the Rust Belt. Biden can win either through the Rust Belt (where he’s actually quite close to Bernie in polling strength) or the Sun Belt (where Biden is far ahead of Bernie), or some combination of both. For example, if Biden just flips Florida and North Carolina (and he’s polling ahead of Trump in both), and just holds Hillary’s states from 2016, Biden wins. Arizona also looks in play for the Dems, but only Biden seems to have a chance to flip it, based on polls. The Rust Belt is where Bernie is arguably stronger, but a closer look suggests that Bernie is only significantly ahead of Biden in Michigan, which happens to be the most likely to flip blue, with almost all Dem candidates polling higher than Trump. Not really a strong argument for Bernie, as the Dems likely take back Michigan no matter who runs. Ohio and Pennsylvania are also in play, but Bernie and Biden basically poll identically against Trump in those states, with each either tied with Trump or holding a narrow advantage over the president, depending on the poll (Bernie does slightly better in Pennsylvania, but it’s a small difference over Biden). Wisconsin looks lost and should remain red, so not really even worth looking at. So basically, Bernie likely needs to turn Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan all blue to win. He needs to bat 3/3. Biden only needs to bat 3/6 in North Carolina, Florida, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan (even 2/6 gets it done in some scenarios). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I don't think that the entirety of the country thinks that way. There are plenty of people around the US who see beyond melanin, which is hopefully growing in number. And the entire society didn't elect him. There were potentially millions who were incensed at his presidency. My statement isn't focused on the people of the country but the level of greed in their government that has turned the position of president into more of a figurehead than an actual operative position. Very few, if any, get to that level of government without being extremely beholden to the party's "donors", and Obama was no exception. I suppose that's why so much of Drumbpf's base worships the guy, as it seems as though he's intent on making sure that everyone knows that he, and he alone, is in charge. It's still an illusion though, as a phone call from Wayne Lapierre quickly proved. Trump might be overconfident and thinks he is above the fray as he pretty much self financed in 2016. I see he is actively raising money this go around. Having gone broke a couple of times I doubt ‘bankers’ worry him much. I think the idea that his base worships him is a tad much. Right or wrong he speaks to what matters to them. Sanders is no different. There are a lot of people who are a struggling and both of these politicians speak to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Kragar said: Well, to be fair... free medical, housing and education will take a more than a little bit of money. And some of us can see through some of Bernie's fuzzy math. I had a thought last night. If one accepts the premise that the country is in decline, I figured out an analogy that I think is pretty reasonable. Consider a patient (country) who has already had bypass surgery, and is diabetic. The Republican Party brings the cigars and the burgers, and the Democrats bring the liquor and all the dessert for the festivities. Both are hurting the patient, right? With Bernie and AOC (among others), they bring the gun, say "screw it" and shoot the patient in the head. I mean that, or they shoot the insurance guy and everyone saves 40% on their healthcare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: I think there's a point in there that many are missing: It's all opinion of course, but from what we've seen in the past few weeks/months, both Trump and his puppet master, Vlad, think that Bernie is an easier candidate for him to face in a general election. I don’t pay too much attention to Trumps opinion. Putin on the other is very cunning and he is definitely not a dummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 This is still a long race and anything can happen but let’s look at young voters turnout for Bernie in 2020 vs. 2016. Alabama dropped from 14% to 10% Virginia from 16% to 13% South Carolina from 15% to 11% Tennessee 15% to 11% North Carolina 16% to 14% I know, fix is in and super delegates already decided blah, blah, blah. But if you don’t vote, you have no right to complain imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: This is still a long race and anything can happen but let’s look at young voters turnout for Bernie in 2020 vs. 2016. Alabama dropped from 14% to 10% Virginia from 16% to 13% South Carolina from 15% to 11% Tennessee 15% to 11% North Carolina 16% to 14% I know, fix is in and super delegates already decided blah, blah, blah. But if you don’t vote, you have no right to complain imo. The flips side is maybe they're aware how essential it is that Trump is removed from office by any means necessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 26 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: This is still a long race and anything can happen but let’s look at young voters turnout for Bernie in 2020 vs. 2016. Alabama dropped from 14% to 10% Virginia from 16% to 13% South Carolina from 15% to 11% Tennessee 15% to 11% North Carolina 16% to 14% I know, fix is in and super delegates already decided blah, blah, blah. But if you don’t vote, you have no right to complain imo. I can't put myself in the head of a Bernie Bro, but like Heffy said, I'm hoping that this time around, they understand the consequences of staying home and handing Bone Spurs the keys to the WH.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, King Heffy said: The flips side is maybe they're aware how essential it is that Trump is removed from office by any means necessary. 6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I can't put myself in the head of a Bernie Bro, but like Heffy said, I'm hoping that this time around, they understand the consequences of staying home and handing Bone Spurs the keys to the WH.... It was pretty $&!#ty that 100k Bernie voters voted for Trump in PA, OH and MI in 2016. You have to be a monumental jagoff to go from voting for a guy like Sanders to Trump. I mean, it’s not even close. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Just now, CBH1926 said: It was pretty $&!#ty that 100k Bernie voters voted for Trump in PA, OH and MI in 2016. You have to be a monumental jagoff to go from voting for a guy like Sanders to Trump. I mean, it’s not even close. Yep. It was pure spite. Hopefully they've all had three years of complete embarrassment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Light Racicot Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Last night was unfortunate. The problem here is that for whatever reason, Bernie supporters, in spite of their enthusiasm, didn't turn out. The support from younger voters was not as advertised, so there was a significant shortfall. Many are pointing fingers, but this lack of support is, at least to me, the main reason things transpired as they did. The priority of the democratic base largely seems to be to vote for whomever is against Trump. Whatever gaffes and stumbles Biden has gone through to date don't seem to matter much, as his popularity has recently experienced a massive surge regardless. As for any future debates he has against Trump; well, they'll be painful to watch. Just bear in mind that it's extraordinarily difficult to be more stupid and incompetent then Trump. My guess is that they'll be like any other debate, where whatever points or non-points either contestant makes will be good enough for the supporters on both sides to declare victory Edited March 5, 2020 by Red Light Racicot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almo89 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, Red Light Racicot said: Last night was unfortunate. The problem here is that for whatever reason, Bernie supporters, in spite of their enthusiasm, didn't turn out. The support from younger voters was not as advertised, so there was a significant shortfall. Many are pointing fingers, but this lack of support is, at least to me, the main reason things transpired as they did. Yeah I've been thinking about this too. We keep hearing Bernie's base is the young people, but when it came election time, they all disappeared. I have no idea what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 According to an unnamed person close to her, Elizabeth Warren will be dropping out of the race today: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/elizabeth-warren-once-a-front-runner-will-drop-out-of-presidential-race/ar-BB10Nm0i?li=AAggNb9 Quote BOSTON — Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts plans to drop out of the presidential race on Thursday and will inform her staff of her plans later this morning, according to a person close to her, ending a run defined by an avalanche of policy plans that aimed to pull the Democratic Party to the left and appealed to enough voters to make her briefly a front-runner last fall, but that proved unable to translate excitement from elite progressives into backing from the party’s more working-class and diverse base. The question now is, will she get over the "You called me a liar" spat and endorse Bernie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts