Nucker 67 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I'm afraid Karlsson will turn the Canucks into the Senators. No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdubuya Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 pro: he is arguably the most valuable player in the league I would love to add him but have my doubts he wants to come to a market like Vancouver after what allegedly happened to him in Ottawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, cdubuya said: pro: he is arguably the most valuable player in the league I would love to add him but have my doubts he wants to come to a market like Vancouver after what allegedly happened to him in Ottawa I would like to think a fresh slate might be here for him. The question other than money is Lifestyle vs Cup contention.. maybe we have both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdubuya Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, SilentSam said: I would like to think a fresh slate might be here for him. The question other than money is Lifestyle vs Cup contention.. maybe we have both? I think we have a lot going for us - cap space -promising future -great city -up and coming team -good history with swedish players -big need for a stud dman I just think the media crazy market is probably not what he is looking for. I think after what has gone on with him and his wife, he would probably prefer a market where he flies under the radar a bit more. I am just speculating, but feel fairly strongly about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I think the risks are too great to sign EK. My preference is to target a younger, defensive minded top 4 D, with size and also cost controlled for long term. BRETT PESCE It has been mentioned before but he is the ideal target to partner Hughes. Hughes is going to be our smaller, skilled top 2 D man. He will be our EK65 in a few years. Pesce has size. Puts up points. Is great on the PK. Will replace what we had in Tanev. All at $4m AAV. Within one year our D corps looks like: Hughes Pesce Edler Stecher Juolevi Woo Hutton Schenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Gigantic cap hit. Already past his prime. Injury problems. Questionable character. Defensive black hole. Puts up points. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 lol after karlsson time in Ottawa you really think he wants to go thru all the media bs again , hmmm Vancouver where you have 30 idiots crowded around you asking all sorts of stupid questions , cant go anywhere with out being bothered or san jose where u have a few reporters and not really get bothered much by fans, so face it . he isn't coming to Vancouver so forget about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, BigTramFan said: I think the risks are too great to sign EK. My preference is to target a younger, defensive minded top 4 D, with size and also cost controlled for long term. BRETT PESCE It has been mentioned before but he is the ideal target to partner Hughes. Hughes is going to be our smaller, skilled top 2 D man. He will be our EK65 in a few years. Pesce has size. Puts up points. Is great on the PK. Will replace what we had in Tanev. All at $4m AAV. Within one year our D corps looks like: Hughes Pesce Edler Stecher Juolevi Woo Hutton Schenn Yeah that will be easy. I am sure that Carolina has no idea what they have there and will be happy to give him away. Only way you get a Pesce is you draft and develop him. How many times have we seen D of his calibre traded? Seth Jones is the only one that comes to mind in recent years other than the PK for Shea trade. It took Taylor Hall just to get an average D-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Title reminds me of an early 80's, rather obscure, Roger Waters release.(think Clapton helped out?) Anywhoo, can hear the female singers..."These arre, the pros & connnns, of Karlsson!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 NO EK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Yeah that will be easy. I am sure that Carolina has no idea what they have there and will be happy to give him away. Only way you get a Pesce is you draft and develop him. How many times have we seen D of his calibre traded? Seth Jones is the only one that comes to mind in recent years other than the PK for Shea trade. It took Taylor Hall just to get an average D-man. No. It took a real stupid ass GM to make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 31 minutes ago, BarnBurner said: No. It took a real stupid ass GM to make that happen. That it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 11 hours ago, The_Rocket said: Pro: will instantly become the best defensemen in Canucks history con: will instantly become the most expensive player in Canucks history You seem to be stuck in per 2016. EK hasn't been near the player he was for several seasons now and may never be remotely close again. He has slowed considerably and is a giveaway machine even paired with a Norris finalist. I would rather have any of the 'Canes top four at their current price tag than EK on what he will get on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 6 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Arrrgghhhh matey! He certainly looks like a pirate. Did he get a haircut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 5 hours ago, SilentSam said: Don’t count on 6 ? games as proof PB.. Eriksson would prove to be an excellent mentor for Hughes and give us the 2 line punch on D to excelorate our Teams rise.. EK65 Edler Hughes Tryamkin Stetcher Schenn Biegga/ Hutton/ Sautner/ Brisboise Keep Eriksson the (expletive deleted) away from Hughes. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 9 hours ago, RonMexico said: It's just the wrong time. Adding Karlsson types is only a good idea when you are close to contending. Older, expensive, often injured players are what this team needs to ship out, not bring in. Pretty much what I was thinking. Pro - spend max $ on a player who will never be as good as he once was, but is still in that "elite" class. Upgrades our D big time. Con - timing sucks. When this idea first cane up on CDC back in January (or whenever) I was totally on board, but the more I thought about it the less I like it. He's on the wrong side of the curve right now. Not necessarily old, but getting worn out and appears to already be in decline. Some GM is going to massively overpay for him. I really like Karlsson, but I hope that GM isn't JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said: You seem to be stuck in per 2016. EK hasn't been near the player he was for several seasons now and may never be remotely close again. He has slowed considerably and is a giveaway machine even paired with a Norris finalist. I would rather have any of the 'Canes top four at their current price tag than EK on what he will get on the open market. I agree but even a slowed down Karlsson is better than anything the Canucks have ever had. He put up 9 assist in 7 games vs Vegas despite playing injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, The_Rocket said: I agree but even a slowed down Karlsson is better than anything the Canucks have ever had. He put up 9 assist in 7 games vs Vegas despite playing injured Disagree with that entirely. I am not as old as many on this board but the current version of EK would not be my choice over a Jovo in his prime, a Reinhart in his prime and so forth. While he put up points, he was a turnover machine. Once upon a time, playing D mattered as much about the D part as the points. For winning hockey, it still does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, cdubuya said: pro: he is arguably the most valuable player in the league I would love to add him but have my doubts he wants to come to a market like Vancouver after what allegedly happened to him in Ottawa Hes not even the most valuable player in SJ Edited April 26, 2019 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said: One major con: This isn’t just applicable to Erik Karlsson, but take a look at the remaining teams lefts in the playoffs: -Colorado -San Jose -Dallas -St. Louis -NYI -Carolina -Boston -Columbus Now - take a look at the cup winning teams since 2010: -Chicago -Boston -Los Angeles -Pittsburgh -Washington -2019 winner Do you want to know what ALL of these teams have in common? Not a single one of these teams had 1) A 10+ million dollar player on their team. Take a look at Chicago and LA’s cap when they won their multiple cups. Ditto for Boston. You know what? I’ll even mention Vancouver here since they won back to back Presidents Trophies. Look at their cost controlled cap hits between 2010-2012. I honestly don’t know if those “cost controlled cap hits to elite players” model are about to go extinct (ie Although Pittsburgh and Washington had relatively cost controlled cap hits relative to that of some other elite teams, that percentage was a little high), but if it ISN”T, then I would strongly consider holding off on Karlsson. The formula for winning still seems to be as follows: -cost controlled elite talent -depth (ie cost controlled elite talent allowing for this). -2 elite centers -1 elite defenseman at minimum -1 elite winger at minimum -1 “very good” goalie at a great cap hit that can play at an elite level when it matters most -Speed -Toughness and size (that doesn’t compromise team speed to the point where team speed is a weakness). IF the above is true, then perhaps an Erik Karlsson Signing would prevent the above This is exactly why I believe the Oilers will always struggle and the Leafs are gonna be a first round exit team for quite some time. I get the impression that the Leafs throw around money just to be able to say they have some of the highest salaried players in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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