Eriksson's 'friction'

[Tomatoes11 355]

10 hours ago, oldnews said:

 

not very good grounds on which to claim you're the 'logical' one.

 

And your claim, regardless of 'logic' - is absurd imo.

 

Lemme guess....the Granlund deal 'made no sense at the time'?

 

Flipping NIlsson or Del Zotto for late picks "made no sense"?

 

Renting Vanek for Motte "made no sense"?

 

Taking Leivo from Dubas "made no sense"?

 

Bieksa and Garrison for 2nd round picks "made no sense"?

 

Renting Holm for Leipsic 'made no sense'?

 

Lack for a couple draft picks (3rd and 7th) 'made no sense'?

 

Kesler for Bonino, 1st, Sbisa "made no sense'?

 

 

Get real.

You're 'making no sense'.

 

The granlund trade did make no sense. We didnt need an older grinder.  Shinkaruk should have been traded for the highest pick we could get. Granlund has been useless to us.

 

And yeah after getting a 2nd for garisson he proceeds to flip that 17 year old prospect for a 22 year old hack lindey vey. 5 years of potential trial growth on a prospect down the drain Benning style lol.

 

And yes most of his trades make no sense but sounds like you are willing to make up some crappy criteria to defend him.

 

Like I said. Almost every single trade he made we got older which is absolutely ludicrous for a rebuilding team.

 

Edited May 7, 2019 by Tomatoes11

[tas 5,924]

12 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said:

The granlund did make no sense. We didnt need an older grinder.  Shinkaruk should have been traded for the highest pick we could get. Granlund has been useless to us.

 

And yeah after getting a 2nd for garisson he proceeds to flip that 17 year old prospect for a 22 year old hack lindey vey. 5 years of potential trial growth on a prospect down the drain Benning style lol.

 

And yes most of his trades make no sense but sounds like you are willing to make up some crappy criteria to defend him.

 

Like I said. Almost every single trade he made we got older which is absolutely ludicrous for a rebuilding team.

 

this guy never takes the cookware set, always takes what's in the mystery box. 

[VancouverHabitant 3,968]

27 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said:

The granlund did make no sense. We didnt need an older grinder.  Shinkaruk should have been traded for the highest pick we could get. Granlund has been useless to us.

 

And yeah after getting a 2nd for garisson he proceeds to flip that 17 year old prospect for a 22 year old hack lindey vey. 5 years of potential trial growth on a prospect down the drain Benning style lol.

 

And yes most of his trades make no sense but sounds like you are willing to make up some crappy criteria to defend him.

 

Like I said. Almost every single trade he made we got older which is absolutely ludicrous for a rebuilding team.

 

Our team was devoid (aka empty) of any forwards between ages of 20 to 25.  That's why we traded for Linden Vey, Granlund and Sven.  

We hit it on two of those, and struck out on Linden Vey.  

2nd rounders usually don't make it to the NHL. 

[spur1 3,240]

28 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said:

The granlund did make no sense. We didnt need an older grinder.  Shinkaruk should have been traded for the highest pick we could get. Granlund has been useless to us.

 

And yeah after getting a 2nd for garisson he proceeds to flip that 17 year old prospect for a 22 year old hack lindey vey. 5 years of potential trial growth on a prospect down the drain Benning style lol.

 

And yes most of his trades make no sense but sounds like you are willing to make up some crappy criteria to defend him.

 

Like I said. Almost every single trade he made we got older which is absolutely ludicrous for a rebuilding team.

 

Don’t look now but our great GM is still in charge for another year and I can’t help but think he will be here for a few years yet after the great job he has been doing. 

[Dazzle 4,926]

1 hour ago, HughMungus said:

Vrbata really spoiled us. Who would have thought he would have turned out better than Louie with the sedins lol

Aside from the one good season, he was a huge floater. Eriksson at least does the little things right. Vrbata is really one-dimensional with more offensive skill.

[Tomatoes11 355]

41 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Our team was devoid (aka empty) of any forwards between ages of 20 to 25.  That's why we traded for Linden Vey, Granlund and Sven.  

We hit it on two of those, and struck out on Linden Vey.  

2nd rounders usually don't make it to the NHL. 

Sorry but all three played no role in our future playoff team. What exactly have they accomplished for us? That’s right. Zero.

[HughMungus 67]

22 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Aside from the one good season, he was a huge floater. Eriksson at least does the little things right. Vrbata is really one-dimensional with more offensive skill.

 We didnt sign Erikson to play solid D tho we payed him to score 20+

 

Atleast Vrbata delivered.

 

Eriksons saving grace is he hasnt become a defensive liability....except for his first game lol

 

Pretty sure Vrb hated our tank commander

Edited May 7, 2019 by HughMungus

[Tomatoes11 355]

1 hour ago, tas said:

this guy never takes the cookware set, always takes what's in the mystery box. 

When the cookware set sucks or you already have plenty, then of course you take the mystery box.....

[Tomatoes11 355]

1 hour ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Our team was devoid (aka empty) of any forwards between ages of 20 to 25.  That's why we traded for Linden Vey, Granlund and Sven.  

We hit it on two of those, and struck out on Linden Vey.  

2nd rounders usually don't make it to the NHL. 

That Russian guy the leafs signed today for free already sounds better than Vey, Granlund , and Sven. And he was free and didn’t cost a 2nd that we may have fluked out on.

 

He is projected to be a two way 40 point guy. If he hits that it’s more than Sven.

 

Sorry, but Benning simply doesn’t know the concept of value if it hit him in the face.

[CanadianRugby 2,921]

1 hour ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Our team was devoid (aka empty) of any forwards between ages of 20 to 25.  That's why we traded for Linden Vey, Granlund and Sven.  

We hit it on two of those, and struck out on Linden Vey.  

2nd rounders usually don't make it to the NHL. 

What did getting those players 20-25 do other than cost draft picks?

Look at who Benning has found in the 2nd round with the picks he's kept.  

[48MPHSlapShot 12,253]

Why is every thread turning into a Benning thread? This is about Eriksson's comments.

 

Oh yeah, because there's a troll baiting everyone.

[kingofsurrey 8,034]

3 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Our team was devoid (aka empty) of any forwards between ages of 20 to 25.  That's why we traded for Linden Vey, Granlund and Sven.  

We hit it on two of those, and struck out on Linden Vey.  

 

All 3 were signed to wipe out our tank.  Very poor strategy by canuck management in my opinion.   At that time, Canucks should have embraced the full tank and tried for a number 1 overall pick.   My neighbour plays womens grasshockey  on weekends and  she probably is way tougher to play against  than Sven  or Granny panties or Vey.

Edited May 7, 2019 by kingofsurrey

[The 5th Line 5,479]

3 hours ago, Tomatoes11 said:

When the cookware set sucks or you already have plenty, then of course you take the mystery box.....

I take the mystery box not the flimsy cookware set.  Easy choice

 

Motte, Granlund, Leipsic, and Vey, at the end of the day are all 4th liners to AHL first liners at best so the fact that people use these as "wins" is just sad.  They are the kind of trades you make if we needed to shore up depth for playoff pushes...which I guess is probably what our management team thought they were..  a rebuilding team needs picks to hopefully find some impact players, or players who can grow up in our system and at least help ice competitive minor league teams which also would help our more legit prospects become better players.  

 

Alex Mallet, a 4th, Pedan and a 3rd for Derick Pouliot.  That's a win too because Pouliot has played NHL games..right guys?

[Tomatoes11 355]

27 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

I take the mystery box not the flimsy cookware set.  Easy choice

 

Motte, Granlund, Leipsic, and Vey, at the end of the day are all 4th liners to AHL first liners at best so the fact that people use these as "wins" is just sad.  They are the kind of trades you make if we needed to shore up depth for playoff pushes...which I guess is probably what our management team thought they were..  a rebuilding team needs picks to hopefully find some impact players, or players who can grow up in our system and at least help ice competitive minor league teams which also would help our more legit prospects become better players.  

 

Alex Mallet, a 4th, Pedan and a 3rd for Derick Pouliot.  That's a win too because Pouliot has played NHL games..right guys?

The Benning defense force calls every move he makes a good move unfortunately.

[spur1 3,240]

24 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said:

The Benning defense force calls every move he makes a good move unfortunately.

That’s because we are looking at the forest and not just at a tree or 2. 

[VancouverHabitant 3,968]

@kingofsurrey and @Tomatoes11, I'm going to tell you one thing now and I want you to count to one thousand steamboats everytime that you make a new post.  

 

Everyone here like Jim Benning and the job that he's done.  You don't, but we don't really give a F. 

 

So let it be....  go on and wait for him to be fired and gloat then. For now, and the next couple of years, you're stuck with Jimbo.  

[VancouverHabitant 3,968]

2 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

Motte, Granlund, Leipsic, and Vey, at the end of the day are all 4th liners to AHL first liners at best so the fact that people use these as "wins" is just sad. 

Go ahead and get me a 4th liner out of a draft pick.  

Here's the 7th round from the 2009 draft, 10 years ago.  

 

7	182	Minnesota	Erik Haula	C	Shattuck St. Mary's (Minn)	357	73	78	151	160	2018-19
7	183	Tampa Bay	Kirill Gotovets	D	Shattuck St. Mary's (Minn)
7	184	Colorado	Gus Young	D	Nobles [Mass. H.S.]
7	185	Atlanta	Levko Koper	L	Spokane Chiefs [WHL]
7	186	Los Angeles	Jordan Nolan	C	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	375	24	28	52	347	2018-19
7	187	Vancouver	Steven Anthony	L	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]
7	188	Toronto	Barron Smith	D	Peterborough Petes [OHL]
7	189	San Jose	Marek Viedensky	C	Prince George Cougars [WHL]
7	190	Ottawa	Brad Peltz	L	Avon Old Farms H.S. (Conn.)
7	191	Ottawa	Michael Sdao	D	Lincoln Stars [USHL]
7	192	Nashville	Cam Reid	F	Westside Warriors [BCHL]
7	193	Minnesota	Anthony Hamburg	C	Dallas Stars AAA (Midget)
7	194	Buffalo	Maxime Legault	R	Shawinigan Cataractes [QMJHL]
7	195	Chicago	Paul Phillips	D	Cedar Rapids RoughRiders [USHL]
7	196	Philadelphia	Oliver Lauridsen	D	St. Cloud State [WCHA]	16	2	1	3	44	2014-15
7	197	Columbus	Kyle Neuber	R	Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL]
7	198	Los Angeles	Nic Dowd	C	Wenatchee Wild [NAHL]	195	17	31	48	75	2018-19
7	199	Montreal	Mike Cichy	C	Indiana Ice [USHL]
7	200	NY Rangers	Mikhail Pashnin	D	Mechel [Russia]
7	201	Calgary	Gaelan Patterson	D	Saskatoon Blades [WHL]
7	202	St. Louis	Maxwell Tardy	C	Duluth East H.S. (Minn.)
7	203	Atlanta	Jordan Samuels-Thomas	L	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]
7	204	New Jersey	Curtis Gedig	D	Cowichan Valley Capitals [BCHL]
7	205	Washington	Benjamin Casavant	L	Prince Edward Island Rocket [QMJHL]
7	206	Boston	Ben Sexton	C	Nepean Raiders [CJHL]	2	0	0	0	0	2017-18
7	207	San Jose	Dominik Bielke	D	Berlin Polar Bears [DEL]
7	208	Carolina	Tommi Kivisto	D	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]
7	209	Chicago	David Gilbert	C	Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]
7	210	Detroit	Adam Almquist	D	HV 71 Jrs. (Sweden)	2	1	0	1	0	2013-14
7	211	Montreal	Petteri Simila	G	Karpat Jrs. (Finland)

 

 

3 out of 30, so 10% chance of getting a marginal 4th liner. 

 

Want to go up to a 2nd round? You're looking at a 30% success rate. 

 

You are more then likely to draft a dud, then to hit on an NHL player.  If you don't understand those simple probabilities, then go back to math 12. 

[The 5th Line 5,479]

37 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Go ahead and get me a 4th liner out of a draft pick.  

Here's the 7th round from the 2009 draft, 10 years ago. 

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3 out of 30, so 10% chance of getting a marginal 4th liner. 

 

Want to go up to a 2nd round? You're looking at a 30% success rate. 

 

You are more then likely to draft a dud, then to hit on an NHL player.  If you don't understand those simple probabilities, then go back to math 12. 

What in God's green earth are you going on about?  

 

I don't know why you are bringing up 2009 and the 7th round, the only takeaway i get from this is that you are saying it's a bad idea to trade for a second rounder?  So why do teams do it all the time?  Why did Benning trade Bieksa for a second?  Was that a bad trade on Bennings part?  Think about what you are saying here

 

We don't need NHL players we need good NHL players

 

Boston, the team Benning was a part of, the team that is off to the conference finals AGAIN is filled with 2nd and 3rd rounders.. Marchand and Bergeron are at the top of that list.

 

 

Edited May 7, 2019 by The 5th Line

[The Lock 5,080]

42 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

What in God's green earth are you going on about?  

 

I don't know why you are bringing up 2009 and the 7th round, the only takeaway i get from this is that you are saying it's a bad idea to trade for a second rounder?  So why do teams do it all the time?  Why did Benning trade Bieksa for a second?  Was that a bad trade on Bennings part?  Think about what you are saying here

 

We don't need NHL players we need good NHL players

 

Boston, the team Benning was a part of, the team that is off to the conference finals AGAIN is filled with 2nd and 3rd rounders.. Marchand and Bergeron are at the top of that list.

With Boston, keep in mind those 2nd and 3rd rounders were drafted over a period of 15+ years. Bergeron was drafted way back in 2003, the freak year where almost everyone practically became a superstar. Since then, Boston's had some other good picks in the 2nd and 3rd round but, if you look at their draft history after 2006, there are not a lot of hits in the 2nd and 3rd round. Maybe Carlo or Spooner among a couple of others? Nothing nearly as lucky as before.

 

So, while I see what you're saying.... I think perhaps you have a little too much focus on their drafting from 13+ years ago.

 

Here's a good link actually with Boston. Shows their draft history. They've had some ups and some downs interestingly enough. 2007, 2009 and 2013 among other years look terrible lol.: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00004919.html

Edited May 7, 2019 by The Lock

[spook007 8,498]

10 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Our team was devoid (aka empty) of any forwards between ages of 20 to 25.  That's why we traded for Linden Vey, Granlund and Sven.  

We hit it on two of those, and struck out on Linden Vey.  

2nd rounders usually don't make it to the NHL. 

You're wasting you time bud... There is no salvation for this one...