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China’s new ‘social credit system’ turns Orwell’s ‘1984’ into reality

By Steven W. Mosher

May 18, 2019 | 

 

China’s new ‘social credit system’ turns Orwell’s ‘1984’ into reality

May 18, 2019 | 11:39am | Updated

 
In this photo illustration a Chinese multi-purpose messaging, social media and mobile payment app developed by Tencent, WeChat.
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Imagine calling a friend. Only instead of hearing a ring tone you hear a police siren, and then a voice intoning, “Be careful in your dealings with this person.”

Would that put a damper on your relationship? It’s supposed to.

Welcome to life in China’s “Social Credit System,” where a low score can ruin your life in more ways than one.

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Say you arrive at the Beijing airport, intending to catch a flight to Canton 1,200 miles south. The clerk at the ticket counter turns you away because — you guessed it — your social credit score is too low.

Not only are you publicly humiliated in the ticket line, you are then forced to travel by slow train. What should have been a three-hour flight becomes a 30-hour, stop-and-go nightmare.

 

All because the government has declared you untrustworthy. Perhaps you defaulted on a loan, made the mistake of criticizing some government policy online or just spent too much time playing video games on the internet. All of these actions, and many more, can cause your score to plummet, forcing citizens onto the most dreaded rung on China’s deadbeat caste system, the laolai.

And the punishments are shocking. The government algorithm will go as far as to install an “embarrassing” ring tone on the phones of laolai, shaming them every time they get a call in public.

But an embarrassing ring tone, flight bans and slow trains are just the beginning of the dystopian nightmare that is now daily life in China for tens of millions of people.

A low social credit score will exclude you from well-paid jobs, make it impossible for you to get a house or a car loan or even book a hotel room. The government will slow down your internet connection, ban your children from attending private schools and even post your profile on a public blacklist for all to see.

According to Australia’s ABC News, the government has produced a “Deadbeat Map” via an app on WeChat, which shows a radar-style graphic identifying every laolai in the vicinity of the user.

“Tapping on a person marked on the map reveals their personal information, including their full name, court-case number and the reason they have been labeled untrustworthy. Identity-card numbers and home addresses are also partially shown,” ABC reported.

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There are reports that those whose social credit score falls too low are preemptively arrested and sent to re-education camps. Not because they have actually committed a crime, but because they are likely to.

Elements of the system are in place throughout China, as the government refines its algorithm, and the final rollout is scheduled to be in place nationwide by 2020.

The government claims that its purpose is to enhance trust and social stability by creating a “culture of sincerity” that will “restore social trust.”

What it will actually create, of course, is a culture of fear and a nation of informants.

This is because one of the ways that people can improve their own social credit score is to report on the supposed misdeeds of others.

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Individuals can earn points, for example, for reporting those who violate the new restrictions on religious practice, such as Christians who illegally meet to pray in private homes, or the Muslim Uyghurs and Kazakhs in China’s far west whom they spot praying in public, fasting during Ramadan or just growing a beard.

Of course, as the state progresses ever closer toward its goal of monitoring all of the activities of its citizens 24 hours a day, seven days a week, society itself becomes a virtual prison.

Western criticism of the new system has been intense, with Human Rights Watch describing it as “chilling.”

In response, Chinese Communist Party publications scoff that Westerners are simply too unsophisticated to understand the wonders of the new system.

In the words of China’s Global Times, “The hypothetical theories of the West are based on their ignorance.” The massive social credit system, it goes on to say, is simply “beyond the understanding of Western countries.”

But I think we understand what is going on all too well.

It is China’s ancient totalitarian impulse — the absolute rule of the god-emperor over his subjects — brought into the modern age. It is George Orwell’s prophetic “1984” come alive.

China’s already formidable police state has been upgraded using big data, machine learning, face recognition technology and artificial intelligence into a fearsome cyborg of state control. The Chinese Communist Party has given birth to the world’s first high-tech digital dictatorship.

Not content to incarcerate its own population in a virtual prison, China is busily hawking its creation to like-minded socialist dictatorships. Maduro’s Venezuela was China’s first customer

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32 minutes ago, sonoman said:

Growing up in the 60’s/70’s we were always told technology would make our lives easier.  I fear for our kids and their kids.  

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There was a time when the pundits thought the Internet would undue oppressive regimes.  However, the first countries who recognized the potential of the Internet to control and manipulate were these very regimes.  The Chinese gov't and the Russian gov't playing at a level that people in the West just simply don't understand.   PS it is not about 'being told' - you gotta educate yourself and your kids on your own - this is the world we live in.  

 

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13 minutes ago, samurai said:

There was a time when the pundits thought the Internet would undue oppressive regimes.  However, the first countries who recognized the potential of the Internet to control and manipulate were these very regimes.  The Chinese gov't and the Russian gov't playing at a level that people in the West just simply don't understand.   PS it is not about 'being told' - you gotta educate yourself and your kids on your own - this is the world we live in.  

 

Oh, I’m well educated and make sure the kids are as well.  It was a play on words - they lied ;) .  I do agree with your point about more oppressive regimes using technology to control the masses.  

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Typical Governmental Behavior,

no wonder they all want to come here,have a child become an automatic Canadian citizen then bring the whole family along shortly there after, rules or no rules Canada is being taken advantage of , because we are so honest and generous.

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Somewhere between China's government trying to make every citizen responsible for every decision they do/don't make and our government allowing every citizen to get away with virtually anything with no repercussions is probably the sweet spot imo.

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Oh come on  nucksfollower, at least mine was a take off of a popular movie title and was witty and the subject matter was sufficient and congruent enough to piggyback onto the title. Crazy in China? There no Crazy in China. Try The China Syndrome... see what I did there? You're welcome. Or hit me up for a title next time, I'm good at it!  ^_^

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Sure is nice of the lamestream media to offer up comparisons with other nations/continents/hemispheres. Can't be a sign that western civ is sorta spiraling the toilet bowl, can it?

 

Have posted a few times comparing Vancouver today, with the place I grew up in(1970's White Rock)..it's a bleak tale. They'd rather tell you how rough it is in Ulan F***ing Bator, or somethin...

 

With the speedy spread of info online nowadays(lotsa garbage, but some good stuff too, alt news, etc...), most have come to realize the corrupt, BS service the lamestream media offers the gullible. So I've asked myself..how MANY decades does this go back? For how long were daily papers serving up well-pkg'd, disposable, irrelevant and/or misleading tripe?

 

I used to read daily papers..wonder how many yrs I squandered believing that shyte?

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10 hours ago, xereau said:

American social media giants crafted the backbone of this.

 

Can anyone not see what is coming?

Yes, you hit it on the head.  It is well documented that western tech companies have been more than willing to participate in big brother projects for a buck.

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12 hours ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

Starts in China but it will spread. Under the guise of national security. 

But if you dont do anything wrong, what do you have to worry about, amirite?

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Some scary crap going on there.  I read about this a while back, and all I could do was shudder.

 

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China scares me. Found it a little odd that they had a restriction on amount of children, then one day “oh its ok now you can have children again”, despite having almost 20% of the total people on the planet. 

 

Next day they are sending unmanned probes to the far side of the moon, with plants and fruit flies on it in some kinda test to see if life can thrive or even survive. 

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Say you arrive at the Beijing airport, intending to catch a flight to Canton 1,200 miles south.

 

 

You have to attack the credibility of the writer, Steven Mosher, when he refers to the city of Guangzhou as Canton, name which has not been used for decades.  Canton was given to that city by idiot Europeans who could not properly pronounce it.

 

Bunch of BS writing by the author from the NY Post, a tabloid, which has little journalistic credibility. 

 

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But an embarrassing ring tone, flight bans and slow trains are just the beginning of the dystopian nightmare that is now daily life in China for tens of millions of people.

A low social credit score will exclude you from well-paid jobs, make it impossible for you to get a house or a car loan or even book a hotel room. The government will slow down your internet connection, ban your children from attending private schools and even post your profile on a public blacklist for all to see.


 

If that was the case, how did all that money laundering driving the housing prices up in Vancouver escape China?  What China is doing is certainly not working.  Maybe we can ask China to crack down harder on people and stop them from travelling to Vancouver and buying  houses.
 

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China’s already formidable police state has been upgraded using big data, machine learning, face recognition technology and artificial intelligence into a fearsome cyborg of state control. The Chinese Communist Party has given birth to the world’s first high-tech digital dictatorship

 

It is already happening in the West, especially in the US.   Where do you think the Chinese learn their techniques from?  Ever hear of the NSA?:

 

According to the leaked documents, the NSA intercepts and stores the communications of over a billion people worldwide, including United States citizens. The documents also revealed the NSA tracks hundreds of millions of people's movements using cellphones metadata. Internationally, research has pointed to the NSA's ability to surveil the domestic Internet traffic of foreign countries through "boomerang routing

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On 5/18/2019 at 7:46 PM, DADDYROCK said:

Typical Governmental Behavior,

no wonder they all want to come here,have a child become an automatic Canadian citizen then bring the whole family along shortly there after, rules or no rules Canada is being taken advantage of , because we are so honest and generous.

Too generous. 

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