HughMungus Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) To L.A Phil Kessel To Pitsburgh Dion Phaneuf L.A could use some offense. Kessel can play with some gritty centers. Takes some cap for Pits. I think Phaneuf actually helps the Pens Dcore a lot when it comes to playoff hockey if he can carry himself. If uneven how would you fix the value? Edited May 23, 2019 by HughMungus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 This is an insanely uneven trade bro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, HughMungus said: To L.A Phil Kessel To Pitsburgh Dion Phaneuf L.A could use some offense. Kessel can play with some gritty centers. Takes some cap for Pits. I think Phaneuf actually helps the Pens Dcore a lot when it comes to playoff hockey if he can carry himself. If uneven how would you fix the value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdean10 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 in this case, you think Eriksson will get us Malkin? give them some more cap space 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughMungus Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 Why would Pitsburgh want much more. There are worse anchors. Clearing 2 mill and moving out a fwd helps pits get cap. They only have so many years with the Dynasty core. Your reaction makes me think Pits NEEDs a 2nd or a borderline regular prospect? I think kessels worth a top 4 D man. Or a top 6 fwd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughMungus Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, Justdean10 said: in this case, you think Eriksson will get us Malkin? give them some more cap space This is the most dramatic thing ever. Is Hall worth Larsson?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Phaneuf is horrible. Why would Pittsburgh want to trade a PPG player for a player that literally had 6 ponts all of last season? Dion Phaneuf isn't an anchor, if anything he's a pylon. Overpaid, overrated, plain and simply terrible. Dion had his day, but it is long passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughMungus Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jaku said: Phaneuf is horrible. Why would Pittsburgh want to trade a PPG player for a player that literally had 6 ponts all of last season? Dion Phaneuf isn't an anchor, if anything he's a pylon. Overpaid, overrated, plain and simply terrible. Dion had his day, but it is long passed. I guess I think of Kessel as a washed up Hall and Larsson as a washed up Phaneuf. Cap affects things. I think Kessel struggles without a team like Pitsburgh. Similar to....maybe Neal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayster007 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Kassel still has a ton of trade value. Dion has likely negative trade value. This is a rough one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, HughMungus said: I guess I think of Kessel as a washed up Hall and Larsson as a washed up Phaneuf. Cap affects things. I think Kessel struggles without a team like Pitsburgh. Similar to....maybe Neal? Dion Phaneuf has a cap hit of 7M Phil's is only 1M more than that. I'm not at all convinced of that. Phil was a pretty stellar player on the Maple Leafs before playing with Malkin/Crosby. 4 of his 6 years in Toronto he had 30+ goals without an elite center. I fail to believe he becomes a plug if he plays somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughMungus Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jaku said: Dion Phaneuf has a cap hit of 7M Phil's is only 1M more than that. I'm not at all convinced of that. Phil was a pretty stellar player on the Maple Leafs before playing with Malkin/Crosby. 4 of his 6 years in Toronto he had 30+ goals without an elite center. I fail to believe he becomes a plug if he plays somewhere else. You mean the seasons Dion was on the team too. Or did you mean his Boston year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 This seems insanely lopsided to me. Kessel is a point-per-game player and is 2.5 years younger than Phaneuf. The difference in cap hit of $2.75M (given that Ottawa retains $1.75M) doesn't come close to closing this gap. If I were to quantify it by setting Kessel at a value of 100, then Phaneuf would be -50, even with salaries factored in. Kessel isn't overpaid for what he's doing now; $8M for a point-a-game player is market value, or at least very close to it. If you want to even it up easily, just add a truckload of draft picks on LA's side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughMungus Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 I feel the values there because of the quality of the FA pool. In a similar way draft picks value change by the draft depth. Pits can shed cap and run a big defense and hire offensive F.As. So then LA would need to add a first round pick? That seems steep for Kessel lol. 2 goals his last 16 playoff games. Wasnt Bonino driving his line too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Lol. Calling a ppg player “washed up”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Kessel was an exact point per game player this year while only costing Pittsburgh $6.8 million. This is probably the worst proposal I’ve ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 hours ago, HughMungus said: Why would Pitsburgh want much more. There are worse anchors. Clearing 2 mill and moving out a fwd helps pits get cap. They only have so many years with the Dynasty core. Your reaction makes me think Pits NEEDs a 2nd or a borderline regular prospect? I think kessels worth a top 4 D man. Or a top 6 fwd. 34 year old -21 Dion Phaneuf is not that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindustan Smyl Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Pittsburgh declines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sygvard Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Yeah this is literally crazy. Sorry man, but I have never seen one miss the mark so badly. Most Kessel proposals are based around what significant assets you can pay to get an 85 point scorer. Phaneuf proposals are based around what THEY would have to pay YOU to take him off their hands. The Eriksson/Malkin comment is... actually a decent comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 LA is going to want to get younger, and cheaper. This helps none of those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strombone Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Kessel isn't old. There's probably a couple more PPG seasons in him before he starts to decline. Penguins wouldn't even consider this. Everytime Kessel was traded for, there was always at least a 1st round pick packaged the other way. Based on Phaneuf's decline, he maybe has one season left in him. He had worse numbers than Gudbranson or Pouliot. He's worse than our worst defensemen last season and yet you value him at the price of an Elite 1st line forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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