China Responsible For Surge In Ozone Depleting Emissions Say Study

[Cpt.Clutch]

7 hours ago, Violator said:

Youvcan still buy r-22 in china which is &^@#ing insane to me.

You can still buy it here too, until the end of this year at least. 

[Violator]

18 minutes ago, Cpt.Clutch said:

You can still buy it here too, until the end of this year at least. 

Remeber i took an ashrae course and they said you couldnt get it

Edited May 26, 2019 by Violator

[Ronaldoescobar]

If we put our minds to it we can beat them!! (Per capita that is)

[Smashian Kassian]

Wow really?!? Who would've guessed??!! 

[Miler]

On 5/25/2019 at 4:17 PM, Wilbur said:

If countries can't be environmentally friendly, then you can't buy from them.  Otherwise it'll be another race to the bottom environmentally speaking and we'll ALL be worse off.  Capitalism works great for a lot of things, but a fatal flaw of it that simply must be addressed is its lack of taking the environment into account.  (and before this turns into a socialism/communism/etc debate, no, those ideologies don't do enough for the environment either)

Most have no idea what environmentalism should be. You'd probably flood whats left of our precious valleys to suck up to Al Gore. For nothing. Go with the founder of Greenpeace. CFCs are bad though.

 

https://twitter.com/ecosensenow?lang=fr

Edited May 27, 2019 by Miler

[sam13371337]

environmentalism is nothing but a new cash cow for the government. never since the "temporary tax to pay for ww1" has the government seen such a cash cow. 

 

it can literaly go up to any number they so choose in name of saving the world.. no mention of dealing with real polluters just as long as the average joe gives a big cheque to Ottawa and truduea, and shuts up and doesn't dare question anything (lest he be labelled a climate denier deserving of lynching). all will be well. just keep sending the cheques. 

[sam13371337]

the indoctrination and propaganda that goes on (especially early in school when kids are vulnerable, and literally believe anything, including a magic man on a magic snowmobile  run by flying raindeer coming down their chimneys with presents). 

 

it wasn't so long ago that Stephan dion put out a feeler for a "carbon tax" (in 2009? if I recall correctly by memory) and he was rightfully mocked by everyone on all sides. 

 

it took only  a few years of propaganda and fear mongering to see the sheep eagerly wanting to send cheques to Ottawa to save the world for them. 

[MystifyNCrucify]

14 hours ago, sam13371337 said:

I am speaking English, and you are speaking Swahili my friend. 

 

Its about geopolitics.  Not pollution, not human rights, not uigurs, not defecits not anything else but geopolitics .  

 

China has almost caught up to the western world in tech (and in some places has passed).  This has been a shocking development.  Obama had a more sophistacted approach of setting up the TPP and dealing with China as a collective lead by the US.  Thereby forcing them to comply without humiliation. 

 

TRump has taken the hammer to the fly approach.  has gone full "America first" and expects to individually bully and intimidate countries into submission. this hasn't gone over well anywhere. 

Haha, seriously?

 

In some wierd round about way, you try to deny that china contributes a far greater amount of pollution than every other country...... because... ..of.....

.....trump......and his technology jealousy....

 

Well its official. Someones a sleeper cell. Get the men in black. 

 

What else could it be? 

[Ghostsof1915]

What blows my mind, is China has a central government. They can just say tomorrow. Ok, we're shifting towards renewables, less plastic based products, Molten Salt reactors.

Glass, metal, and recyclable materials and bam! It gets done. People get all bent of out shape wanting to smoke weed. Yet the fibre in it can be made in clothing, food, paper, building materials and insulation, soil and water purification, even biofuel. China has 70% of the worlds hemp output too. 

 

Lots of ways to get away from plastics, oil, etc. You will probably never eliminate it. Nothing wrong with reducing it. But sustainable industries, and a better future for everyone is something everyone can get behind. 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2019 by Ghostsof1915

[-DLC-]

11 hours ago, sam13371337 said:

environmentalism is nothing but a new cash cow for the government. never since the "temporary tax to pay for ww1" has the government seen such a cash cow. 

 

it can literaly go up to any number they so choose in name of saving the world.. no mention of dealing with real polluters just as long as the average joe gives a big cheque to Ottawa and truduea, and shuts up and doesn't dare question anything (lest he be labelled a climate denier deserving of lynching). all will be well. just keep sending the cheques. 

So we're imagining what's happening?   The extreme weather events that are now regular,  not phenoms?

 

I'm not sure what your point is, but it's hard to dispute what we can see with our own eyes...we're not reading about this stuff, we're experiencing it.

 

So, if not China, who are the "real polluters"?

[-DLC-]

And I will say that you are partially right.  But everything is a cash cow for the Government - from efforts to combat speeding and drunk driving, to "protecting the environment", etc.

 

But that doesn't mean that they don't help combat the issues or that they're not "real/present" concerns.  The Government has their hand in everything and, yes, will find a way to make the rich richer under the guise of "helping".  But, if the measures do help, then that's more important in the end.  It's not that they're not "real",  - Gov't. exploitation of our tax dollars and resources needs to be addressed and they use important issues AS their cash cows, not that they invent them and they're fakes news.

 

 

[Ghostsof1915]

11 hours ago, sam13371337 said:

environmentalism is nothing but a new cash cow for the government. never since the "temporary tax to pay for ww1" has the government seen such a cash cow. 

 

it can literaly go up to any number they so choose in name of saving the world.. no mention of dealing with real polluters just as long as the average joe gives a big cheque to Ottawa and truduea, and shuts up and doesn't dare question anything (lest he be labelled a climate denier deserving of lynching). all will be well. just keep sending the cheques. 

 

[Cpt.Clutch]

On 5/25/2019 at 8:42 PM, Violator said:

Remeber i took an ashrae course and they said you couldnt get it

It was begun to be phased out in 2010.  Now completed at the end of this year.  

Europe has already banned all sorts of refrigerants we still commonly use here too.  We are slow on the changeovers.  

I remember reading an article title along the lines of “government seizes millions in R410A refrigerant”, and thinking wtf?, then realized it was a Scandinavian country.  But here we still use it daily.  My four top used refrigerants in my truck are banned in the EU lol.  

[Miler]

On 5/26/2019 at 2:59 AM, Ghostsof1915 said:

What blows my mind, is China has a central government. They can just say tomorrow. Ok, we're shifting towards renewables, less plastic based products, Molten Salt reactors.

Glass, metal, and recyclable materials and bam! It gets done. People get all bent of out shape wanting to smoke weed. Yet the fibre in it can be made in clothing, food, paper, building materials and insulation, soil and water purification, even biofuel. China has 70% of the worlds hemp output too. 

 

Lots of ways to get away from plastics, oil, etc. You will probably never eliminate it. Nothing wrong with reducing it. But sustainable industries, and a better future for everyone is something everyone can get behind. 

 

 

 

 

No. Hydro power is the dirtiest fuel by far. Wind power is a bird killing hoax. Solar is fine. Ethanol is a joke environmentally. Nuclear is dangerous. Oil is the best fuel for the planet.

 

20 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

So we're imagining what's happening?   The extreme weather events that are now regular,  not phenoms?

 

I'm not sure what your point is, but it's hard to dispute what we can see with our own eyes...we're not reading about this stuff, we're experiencing it.

 

So, if not China, who are the "real polluters"?

Yes you are imagining it. Tornado activity may actually be declining , with 2018 being very low in activity. Hurricanes were worst in the 50s. Breathless media attention is at an all time high. Now you know and will never again be a victim of this media campaign. 

Here is a hurricane one.

 

 

Edited May 27, 2019 by Miler

[Ghostsof1915]

1 minute ago, Miler said:

No. Hydro power is the dirtiest fuel by far. Wind power is a bird killing hoax. Solar is fine. Ethanol is a joke environmentally. Nuclear is dangerous. Oil is the best fuel for the planet.

 

Yes you are imagining it. Tornado activity may actually be declining , with 2018 being very low in activity. Hurricanes were worst in the 50s. Breathless media attention is at an all time high. Now you know and will never again be a victim of this media campaign. 

 

Let me guess you work for the oil industry. 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/15/wind-turbines-kill-fewer-birds-than-cell-towers-cats/15683843/

 

Shall we ban cats? 

Algae Fuel is the best fuel that is oil based, because at least it absorbs carbon dioxide to grow, but no one has figured a way to industrially upscale it yet. 

You jumped the gun as well. I never mentioned hydro. That's why we should be trying to figure out tidal power. 

Current nuclear has risk of meltdown and waste. Molten Salt Reactors however seem interesting, they have less waste, and best of all you can't have a meltdown. 

The holy grail of course is fusion reactors. 

But I'm talking about unstainable industries. Because it's not a matter of if oil runs out, it's a matter of when.

A diversified energy mix, along with less waste, and better packaging, more biodegradable. 

 

 

[Miler]

1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Let me guess you work for the oil industry. 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/15/wind-turbines-kill-fewer-birds-than-cell-towers-cats/15683843/

 

Shall we ban cats? 

Algae Fuel is the best fuel that is oil based, because at least it absorbs carbon dioxide to grow, but no one has figured a way to industrially upscale it yet. 

You jumped the gun as well. I never mentioned hydro. That's why we should be trying to figure out tidal power. 

Current nuclear has risk of meltdown and waste. Molten Salt Reactors however seem interesting, they have less waste, and best of all you can't have a meltdown. 

The holy grail of course is fusion reactors. 

But I'm talking about unstainable industries. Because it's not a matter of if oil runs out, it's a matter of when.

A diversified energy mix, along with less waste, and better packaging, more biodegradable. 

 

 

Wind power is a hoax that munches birds , until batteries can be developed to store their energy.  I was unsure about the bird issue due to conflicting reports, but recently i met a guy who services wind turbines and he was appalled by the dead birds surrounding the sites.  One good thing about the cat issue is they're probably mostly munching on non native species that thrive in the cities. Wind turbines take the killing to the wild areas.

 

I dont work for oil but like all Canadians I owe my cushy lifestyle to it.

Edited May 27, 2019 by Miler

[canuckistani]

On 5/25/2019 at 2:49 PM, Honeydew said:

No they're not, don't spread lies when you don't know the real truth.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/plastic-pollution

 

Enlighten yourself, the US alone contributes most of the plastic waste from commercial to industrial use.

 

On 5/25/2019 at 2:58 PM, mayor MCcheese said:

Wrong:

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/90-of-plastic-polluting-our-oceans-comes-from-just-10-rivers/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stemming-the-plastic-tide-10-rivers-contribute-most-of-the-plastic-in-the-oceans/?redirect=1

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4970214/95-plastic-oceans-comes-just-TEN-rivers.html

 

Yangze and Ganges are #1 and #2 by a long shot.

The former article is far higher in academic quality than the latter three. Dailymail ? Seriously ? 

[Alflives]

On 5/25/2019 at 1:04 PM, sam13371337 said:

the propaganda campaign against china continues. 

 

out of nowhere all American media left right and center have gone on a china bashing. its amazing how left and right media in the US that cant agree on ANYTHING have virtually identical foreign policies and follow the American government line to the T on it..

 

MSNBC CNN and FOX don't agree on anything domestic, but have identical foreign policies. Trump was right about the fake news.  its just all mainstream media in the "west" is fake news. 

 

The US is mad because they expected china to be their slave labour. but China quietly advanced on the technology front, and absolutely shocked the americans with its 5G prowess and work already started on 6G. the US is terrified it will lose the technology war and is lashing out instead of adapting and trying to play the game better. and everyone is going to suffer because of this American insecurity.  

Our planet is seriously screwed anyway. We need to ramp up our production of all oil and gas and anything toxic.  Let’s keep our comfortable live styles going for as long as we can.  We will all one day live like those in NOrth Korea.  

[bishopshodan]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Our planet is seriously screwed anyway. We need to ramp up our production of all oil and gas and anything toxic.  Let’s keep our comfortable live styles going for as long as we can.  We will all one day live like those in NOrth Korea.  

It's probably going that way.

Hawking stated a few years back that he believe humans only have about 100 years left.

 

I knew he was almost as smart as you.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

It's probably going that way.

Hawking stated a few years back that he believe humans only have about 100 years left.

 

I knew he was almost as smart as you.

Didn’t Hawking say for our species to survive we needed to migrate off planet?  

Even if the incredible happens, and people move to other worlds, we will only be delaying the inevitable.  We are the “Crazy Ivon” in the Mote in God’s Eye.