Popular Post Gurn Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, The 5th Line said: Losing him for nothing will still be considered a failure If he goes, the Canucks did not lose him for nothing, they had him at a reduced cost for many years. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostsof1915 Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 Worst case scenario. He walks. But the team got 13 seasons from a 3rd round draft pick. Wish we had more 3rd round picks like this. 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 you can push and the player, as apparently happened in this case can say no. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, The 5th Line said: Obviously there was contract confusion, maybe Edler thought he was going to sign a retirement contract in Vancouver and everything would be fine. And yes you can push NTC's. Happened with Hamhuis, it happens all the time actually no, it doesn't happen all the time. Guys are happy to go to new situations, thats a "pull" not a push. You're angry over a myth of your own making. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: Obviously there was contract confusion, maybe Edler thought he was going to sign a retirement contract in Vancouver and everything would be fine. And yes you can push NTC's. Happened with Hamhuis, it happens all the time actually What exactly would you say to "push" a player to waive his movement clause and relocate away from his family when he seemingly has little interest in doing so ? Saying pretty please or promising to be his best friend probably won't cut it. Terrible thinking like this is why many fans are out of their depth trying to analyze the business end of the game. You do realize they are human beings and not 2 dimensional video game characters ? You can't just tap a sequence of buttons and have hime bend to your whim. Edited June 11, 2019 by BlastPast 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Here’s what Friedman actually said: “I’ve heard some really interesting things about this whole situation. There is definitely a feeling this has gone off the rails. But one thing that people have always warned me about is the real deadline is coming up. If it’s not July 1 itself or June 23, when you can first start talking to players, this week is a big week for a lot of teams. They want to know where their guys are going, if they’re staying or going. I have heard San Jose if they lose some of their D. I still think there’s a chance that maybe Vancouver and him sort it out, but this is definitely more difficult than anybody expected it would be. And there are people convinced he will not be going back to Vancouver, but again, look, if he really wants to go back and they really want him there’s a path there. I hesitate to say 100 per cent yes or no, but there’s no question this has been a lot harder than everyone thought it would be. “The issue is 1) Term, and 2) Expansion draft availability. They want him eligible for the expansion draft, he doesn’t want to be.” Source: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-podcast-note-10-pending-nhl-ufas/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: Really? Want me to bring up a group who reluctantly waived their NTC's? It happens. Hamhuis and Garrison both waived, despite being B.C boys and wanting to stay close to family. They were pushed But you know what? Fine, losing Edler for nothing is nobody's fault...you win. I will always be an Edler fan and have been one of his biggest supporters over the years. Garrison waived for Tampa, i.e. way more money in his pocket and a cup contending team. So yeah, that would be a "pull" situation that benefitted him. Edler didn't want to sign with Calgary and live there for 3 years, can't say I blame him. But keep up the search for "fault" like that has any relevance at all in these negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRick Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Edler's rights for a 4th rd pick! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Here’s what Friedman actually said: “I’ve heard some really interesting things about this whole situation. There is definitely a feeling this has gone off the rails. But one thing that people have always warned me about is the real deadline is coming up. If it’s not July 1 itself or June 23, when you can first start talking to players, this week is a big week for a lot of teams. They want to know where their guys are going, if they’re staying or going. I have heard San Jose if they lose some of their D. I still think there’s a chance that maybe Vancouver and him sort it out, but this is definitely more difficult than anybody expected it would be. And there are people convinced he will not be going back to Vancouver, but again, look, if he really wants to go back and they really want him there’s a path there. I hesitate to say 100 per cent yes or no, but there’s no question this has been a lot harder than everyone thought it would be. “The issue is 1) Term, and 2) Expansion draft availability. They want him eligible for the expansion draft, he doesn’t want to be.” Source: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-podcast-note-10-pending-nhl-ufas/ Which is basically what others have been saying the past two months. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 So, it's come to this, huh? Move on and spend the money on our younger guys we want to keep around. For the 60 or some games we get from him, we can do better. Tell that boi bye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Benning out GM'd again by a player? Par the course. He better learn or else he's being thrown in the expansion draft as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: Really? Want me to bring up a group who reluctantly waived their NTC's? It happens. Hamhuis and Garrison both waived, despite being B.C boys and wanting to stay close to family. They were pushed But you know what? Fine, losing Edler for nothing is nobody's fault...you win. I will always be an Edler fan and have been one of his biggest supporters over the years. Dude, the difference is they had keen interest on re-signing Edler. They wanted to move Garrison and Hamhuis may have waived but he obviously didn't waive it all together. That's an important distinction. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: So you have excuses as to why each player would or wouldn't waive? Right on man you are really hanging on to that blame and excuse narrative. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fanuck Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 Sorry, but Elliot is rapidly losing his credibility in terms of reporting on these types of hockey issues. He has no substantial/credible information over what is common knowledge - Edler and his agent want longer-term with salary/clauses while JB wants shorter term with no clauses. That's called bargaining Elliot, both sides have a goal just like your goal is to get clicks sadly. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 You have to play hard ball with him and if he wants to walk and uproot his life here then let him. No way can the Canucks afford to use a protection spot on him. Likely the agent just posturing, everyone knows he wants to stay. There is a good opportunity for Benning to bend him over a barrel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I've said this all along. Edler is a great defenceman when he is in the lineup. As of late the injuries are piling up and he's in the line up less and less. This is why in my opinion take the money and find another serviceable defenceman who will actually play more. I wouldn't suggest a Karlsson or Myers but someone along the Lines of Gardiner or Sustr for example. The best way is draft and develop but can find help via free agency when that fails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Cant imagine this defense improving if they cant bring Edler back 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Anything over 3 million is to much. 2 years at 3 with no clauses would sign him. He is only a shadow of his former self.. and I mean his self before the NMC and the NTC. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 If he walks I'm okay with it. If he stays I'm okay with it. I'm indifferent to Edler these days. A good Dman no doubt but we can find a younger replacement if we need too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 43 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Sorry, but Elliot is rapidly losing his credibility in terms of reporting on these types of hockey issues. He has no substantial/credible information over what is common knowledge - Edler and his agent want longer-term with salary/clauses while JB wants shorter term with no clauses. That's called bargaining Elliot, both sides have a goal just like your goal is to get clicks sadly. We don’t even know if Elliotte actually said this. That site never links any article or audio clip to its “rumours”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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