Time to regulate and split up big tech (google, facebook etc.)

[sam13371337]

These giant tech companies have outgrown their usefulness and its beyond time to break their monopoly up. 

 

They have the legal status of a platform. but want the censorship powers of a private company.  You simply cannot have it both ways... 

 

for example google is legally treated as a telephone service.  If you make inflammatory speech on your telephone.  your service provider is not responsible for that.  They cannot shut your service off because you said things they disagree with.  And they cannot be sued for things you say on the phone.   That is absurd and everyone acknowledges this.

 

 

now enter google.   They are openly boasting about how they like to censor certain views and points.  And their youtube brand vividly displayed that by going on a censoring crusade against conservative voices to satisfy leftist attack media.  

 

this is absurd.  Google youtube and facebook are becoming partisan companies that promote a certain viewpoint while enjoying the legal status of a "platform"  

 

this is outrageous and it must end.  if google facebook and youtube want to censor consvertaive voices because they are  a "private company" then they should lose their legal status as a platform and be beholden to the exact same laws other media organizations like FOX, CNN,CBC etc are subject to. 

 

Leftists overreach is now leading to major backlash..  and I hope it succeeds.. 

 

google begging not to be split up by the government

[Bissurnette]

I'd welcome that possibility with open arms. Political agenda has gotten out of hand and seeped into speech regulation. It's beyond alarming at this point and something needs to be done. I'm all for breaking up monopolies.

[Monty]

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Time to regulate and split up big tech (google, facebook etc.)

 

21 minutes ago, sam13371337 said:

These giant tech companies have outgrown their usefulness

No, no they haven’t. Should they be held to higher standards? Yes. But to say they’ve “outgrown their usefulness.” Please.

[Shift-4]

Just now, Monty said:

 

But to say they’ve “outgrown their usefulness.” Please.

Pretty sure Bing has   

[Monty]

1 minute ago, Shift-4 said:

Pretty sure Bing has   

Hmm, maybe. But definitely not this:

 

[sam13371337]

18 minutes ago, Monty said:

 

No, no they haven’t. Should they be held to higher standards? Yes. But to say they’ve “outgrown their usefulness.” Please.

so you want a bunch of monopolistic companies in ultra liberal san fransisco silicon valley to dominate and control the public discourse and political views of the entire nation?

 

bunch of leftists geeks in san fransisco becoming the thought police of the world?  because that's the road were head down.

Edited June 15, 2019 by sam13371337

[Monty]

Just now, sam13371337 said:

 

Good point.

[sam13371337]

1 minute ago, Monty said:

Good point.

thanks 

[Monty]

4 minutes ago, sam13371337 said:

so you want a bunch of monopolistic companies in ultra liberal san fransisco silicon valley to dominate and control the public discourse and political views of the entire nation?

 

bunch of leftists geeks in san fransisco becoming the thought police of the world?  because that's the road were head down.

No.

 

22 minutes ago, Monty said:

 

No, no they haven’t. Should they be held to higher standards? Yes. But to say they’ve “outgrown their usefulness.” Please.

 

[sam13371337]

10 minutes ago, Monty said:

No.

 

 

Well define 'higher standards'. does that mean regulation? whereby  they are legally prevented from censoring different viewpoints ?

 

or does it mean breaking up their monopoly and encouraging competition... 

 

generally speaking the method of trusting in the morals of large monopolisitic, multi-national organizations has  failed.  There is a very specific reason why monopolies are universally seen as negative for the consumer. 

 

you simply cannot have an entity like google pretty much dominating the internet. while at the same time being a partisan leftist company with legal protections against anti-trust and defamation laws. it just cannot work.

[coastal.view]

i won't get into the philosophical issues

relating to censorship

but if twitter could just shut down trump

that would make my year

[MJDDawg]

5 minutes ago, sam13371337 said:

Well define 'higher standards'. does that mean regulation? whereby  they are legally prevented from censoring different viewpoints ?

 

or does it mean breaking up their monopoly and encouraging competition... 

 

generally speaking the method of trusting in the morals of large monopolisitic, multi-national organizations has  failed.  There is a very specific reason why monopolies are universally seen as negative for the consumer. 

 

you simply cannot have an entity like google pretty much dominating the internet. while at the same time being a partisan leftist company with legal protections against anti-trust and defamation laws. it just cannot work.

You've yet to make a single point to actually support this. 

 

You're on here right now because these companies are BIG BUSINESS! And quite frankly, without these businesses, you'd still be typing your anti-capitalistic ramblings on a Commodore 64 right now. It takes money, lots of it, to push ahead with the technology dreams that originate in the basement or garage of visionaries. Otherwise those ideas would never see the light of day.

 

The bottom line is these are businesses that yes have a huge amount of control of the internet, but hey kudos to them for having founders with the vision to create something that could transform the world. Should there be more regulation? Maybe, but that's not necessarily their issues to deal with.

 

Monopolies universally seen as negative? Maybe in those countries where the average person doesn't get the chance to share the wealth and can't own shares in pension funds or RSP's like we can here. In those countries, they're referred to as oligopolies, owned by friends and family of whoever is leading those countries. So it's not working there either.

 

At least in our capitalistic society, the market will always sort itself out (see Sears, Chrysler...etc). It may not be a quick as you'd want, but it will happen.

 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, sam13371337 said:

 

They have the legal status of a platform. but want the censorship powers of a private company.  You simply cannot have it both ways... 

 

you gotta walk me through that logic. 

 

You know, you do have the option of not using Facebook. Or using an adblocker and or VPN when using Google. Problem solved. 

Edited June 15, 2019 by Jimmy McGill

[JM_]

53 minutes ago, sam13371337 said:

so you want a bunch of monopolistic companies in ultra liberal san fransisco silicon valley to dominate and control the public discourse and political views of the entire nation?

 

bunch of leftists geeks in san fransisco becoming the thought police of the world?  because that's the road were head down.

you are free to start Alt-Book to get your views out there.

 

If this is whats at the heart of your rant that you can't be an open alt-right hater, I don't have a lot of sympathy for you. You have a right to free speech within limits, its not absolute and no company has to let you say it. But you are free to go start your own service. 

[xereau]

1 hour ago, coastal.view said:

i won't get into the philosophical issues

relating to censorship

but if twitter could just shut down trump

that would make my year

First him, then you.

[falcon45ca]

46 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

i won't get into the philosophical issues

relating to censorship

but if twitter could just shut down trump

that would make my year

That's a slippery slope I'd rather not go down 

[Ghostsof1915]

Then let's break up oil companies, car companies, Airbus, and Boeing. 

And bring back Netscape!

 

 

[DrJockitch]

Okay, this has bothered me.  They censor hate speech.

That the hate is coming from well known conservative media names is on the conservative media names.

This is not discriminating against conservatives, it is discriminating against discrimination.

If a baker can refuse to serve someone because they think they are gay, I am comfortable with facebook or google not allowing hate speech on their platform because they find it morally reprehensible. 

[DADDYROCK]

It would be nice if they were also taxed accordingly,Billions of clear profit and Zero taxes.I find this against all common sense and against civil behavior.

 

We can't afford the RICH,they are killing us slowly.

Spread the wealth and the economy will flourish,society will be uplifted, and people will stop having to STRUGGLE all the time just to get by.

[Rob_Zepp]

4 hours ago, sam13371337 said:

These giant tech companies have outgrown their usefulness and its beyond time to break their monopoly up.