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So I, like everyone here, have been trying to figure out how to fix the defense. I think it would be Ill advised to sign any free agent defenseman not named Erik Karlsson and we should be using our money to fix the offense. That being said the problem with trading for defenseman is that the Canucks don't have much of value to give up in a trade to get any decent top four d man. So for weeks I have been trying to figure out creative ways to acquire players that will substantially upgrade our D with what little we have to give.

 

Then I read that the Blackhawks were in on Ryan Murray.

 

Now I know that just because the Blackhawks are in on him doesn't mean that he's available, and the fact that they settled for Olli Maatta tells me that maybe the Jackets don't want to give him up. But the Jackets need picks (they only have a 3rd and a 7th in this draft), and they have a good young d core, so maybe the right package of picks would pry Murray out of Columbus.

 

Problem is the Canucks shouldn't be selling their picks for one player, especially not a potential wild card in Murray, (not at this stage of the rebuild anyway).

 

First I thought we could trade veterans like Tanev for picks, then package those picks to go after Murray, but then I wondered how I could utilize another teams picks in another way, so I came up with a three way trade, that I believe benefits all teams involved. I used the Canes in this trade proposal because of the extra seconds and the likely willingness to trade some for offensive help for another cup run.

 

To VAN - Murray

To CBJ - Two of CAR 2nds, VAN 2nd

To CAR - Virtanen, Wennberg

 

To break it down

 

VAN gets Murray for Virtanen and a 2nd

CBJ gets 3 2nds for Murray and Wennberg 

CAR gets Virtanen and Wennberg for 2 2nds

 

The Canucks get a relatively young (26 by next season), big, defensively responsible top four d man with offensive upside. He has decent possession numbers, plays big minutes with alot of d zone starts, and showed what he could do offensively last season. Obviously the concerns are the injuries but a player with his talent would look good on this team.

 

The Jackets get picks, and good ones at that, as well as an opportunity to offload Wennbergs not so savoury contract which saves them some extra cap space to resign Duchene.

 

The Canes get offensive help. Both Virtanen and Wennberg are young players with upside that will slot into their top nine and they still get to keep one of their three 2nds.

 

All in all I apologize for the length of the post but frankly if you don't want to read my thoughts than I don't value your opinion. I believe this would be worth it for all teams because it fills a need for everyone, but feel free to tell me if Im wrong. 

 

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I like Murray, but I would worry how a somewhat injury prone Dman would survive coming to the Canucks.. 

 

I'm not sure any of the teams involved are super psyched about the deal, but it 's a decent proposal. 

 

are we assuming Murray is signed for this deal? 

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18 minutes ago, Master Higgins said:

I dont think thats enough to get murray. And personally i dont want to invest in another d-man made of glass. And i agree with you i dont think we can afford to give up the kind of assets to acquire the calibre of d-man this team needs.  

The biggest problem I had was figuring out Murray's value, he obviously has a ton of potential but the problem with assessing his value is that as you said he's made of glass and that he has never truly played the way he can. That is what I think makes him attainable vs other d men of his calibre and why I think he should be a target, he can be a top four maybe even a top pair d man on this team, if he can play 70 plus games and fulfil his potential.

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26 minutes ago, Alflives said:

It’s a well thought out scenario.  For us, I will keep Jake.  Murray is no better than Hutton - now that Hutton has figured out his fitness issues.  

I agree the only D UFA we should be interested in is EK. 

I'm with you with keeping Virtanen, there's alot of potential there and I would hate to trade him, but he seems to be the odd man out when trading for defencemen. I would argue that Hutton is not they player we saw last year and we need to sell high before his value plummets, meanwhile taking a gamble that Murray stays healthy, if it pans out is huge for this defence.

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I like the well thought out scenario also.

 

My take is that we’re keeping Jake.  Jimbo has repeatedly said he wants us to get bigger/stronger/tougher. I don’t see it making sense subtracting Jake.

 

Personally if we’re going to invest in a Dman via trade I think it should be for a Right shooting one. (please no Subban or Hamilton).  I might be in the minority but I see Hughes and Juolevi securing the left side on the first two pairings.  Finding a left side guy who plays less minutes is a relative easy find.  If everything were to remain steady for now, only Stecher and hopefully Woo (in 1-2 years) will man the right side. Tanev is here for now and I think he should stay for a few years until Woo or someone else within the system grabs the job.  With that being said I think there’s a big opening for someone to come and play heavy meaningful minutes on the right side.

 

I wonder what the asking price for Letang would be?  With Petey on the side wall and Brock with his stick loaded for a one timer, I think our PP would be dynamite.  Personally I want a right shooting Dman.

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43 minutes ago, Glug Datt said:

I like Murray, but I would worry how a somewhat injury prone Dman would survive coming to the Canucks.. 

 

I'm not sure any of the teams involved are super psyched about the deal, but it 's a decent proposal. 

 

are we assuming Murray is signed for this deal? 

I agree the injuries are worrisome, but like I said above I think that's what will make a dman of his calibre attainable.

 

And no, when righting this I was assuming we'd be acquiring his rights.

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16 minutes ago, By sea and land said:

I like the well thought out scenario also.

 

My take is that we’re keeping Jake.  Jimbo has repeatedly said he wants us to get bigger/stronger/tougher. I don’t see it making sense subtracting Jake.

 

Personally if we’re going to invest in a Dman via trade I think it should be for a Right shooting one. (please no Subban or Hamilton).  I might be in the minority but I see Hughes and Juolevi securing the left side on the first two pairings.  Finding a left side guy who plays less minutes is a relative easy find.  If everything were to remain steady for now, only Stecher and hopefully Woo (in 1-2 years) will man the right side. Tanev is here for now and I think he should stay for a few years until Woo or someone else within the system grabs the job.  With that being said I think there’s a big opening for someone to come and play heavy meaningful minutes on the right side.

 

I wonder what the asking price for Letang would be?  With Petey on the side wall and Brock with his stick loaded for a one timer, I think our PP would be dynamite.  Personally I want a right shooting Dman.

100% agree that we should be looking at right shot defensemen, but Murray was a player that came up that I thought would be a great target. I also agree the Juolevi is going to be a great player for a long time.

 

If it was up to me, our left side next year would be, (assuming we don't resign Edler, and trade Hutton, which is what I would do)

 

Hughes

Murray

Juolevi

 

Which I think is a very competitive left side, but yes there are still massive holes on the right side.

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I really don’t see Juolevi starting with the Canucks next year. He is coming off a major injury and will likely need time in Utica to get back up to speed. This is why at least Hutton stays.

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CBJ lost picks but they also need players.  They are a young team who want to continue to take steps forward.  There's no reason for them to create holes in their roster without upgrades coming back - they are losing enough UFAs.  CBJ has plenty of cap space to sign Duchene but David Savard just talked of him to Montreal media as all but gone.  

 

Wennberg did struggle last season but at the Worlds he got to play C1 for Sweden and it looks like he found his confidence.  Kekaleinen talked of how Wennberg had a bad year but thought he was great at the Worlds and expects him to rebound next season.  

 

LD: Werenski Murray Harrington

RD: Jones Savard Nutivaara Kukan 

That's 7 Ds with Clendening likely heading back to the AHL.  There's no real reason for them to weaken their left side unless they get an upgrade.

 

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15 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said:

I really don’t see Juolevi starting with the Canucks next year. He is coming off a major injury and will likely need time in Utica to get back up to speed. This is why at least Hutton stays.

There’s no question he needs to warm up in Utica again.  However it’s my opinion that once he’s ready and comes up (Xmas time maybe) that he’ll stay up and be a fixture here.  Signing or trading for a left shooting Dman will essentially put Juolevi into our 3rd pairing.  That might not be the worst thing for a while but with his upside and style of play I don’t think we want to corner ourselves having blocked him from playing 2nd pairing minutes eventually.

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I would rather trade for Miller 6'1, 26 birthday Oct,  RD, has offensive potential , see him as a #3 D making 3.5 million this is type of player we really need..

Vegas need to unload salary..Hope Jim is all over this player..

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