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Right to it...……...

 

Vancouver offers

 

San Jose

 

Tyler Madden

2021 1st

Sven Baertschi 50%

 

for 

 

Timo Meier

 

or

 

Offer Timo Meier ............2015 9th OA............LW/RW   22 years old,...……….. 6ft.   208 lbs...…...…..2018/2019 ……...30 goals 36 assists = 66 PTs

 

6 Million per for 7 years = 42 Million...………..compensation 1-1st rounder + 1 - 3rd rounder

 

This forces San Jose into a huge sell off or they take it...……………...way better than signing a 10 Millon dollar player

 

 

 

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SJ has approximately 13mil in cap space available and only have 16 regulars signed for next season.  Assuming they want big and little Joe's coming back but I just don't see that happening.  Further to this, they've given away more than a third of their picks over the next 3 years including 2 firsts and 2 seconds - something's gotta give in SJ somehow imo. 

 

I think Wilson looks long and hard at a reasonable offer which allows him to recoup any of the picks he gave away otherwise there's no future after their core moves on eventually. 

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Personally, I am opposed to going the offer sheet route.  You typically have to overpay in order to force the other team to not match.  I feel it is better to trade for the asset and then sign them as your own RFA.

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5 minutes ago, goalie13 said:

Personally, I am opposed to going the offer sheet route.  You typically have to overpay in order to force the other team to not match.  I feel it is better to trade for the asset and then sign them as your own RFA.

Are opposed to getting Pettersson a great winger

or Bo for that matter?

San Jose is not going to give him away....

Keep all options open

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1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said:

Are opposed to getting Pettersson a great winger

or Bo for that matter?

San Jose is not going to give him away....

Keep all options open

Didn't say they would give him away, but I wouldn't want to screw our own future cap position when there is likely a trade option.  I would rather overpay on the trade than on the salary / cap hit.

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is it considered tampering?

 

for san jose to say publicly

if they do not match such an offer sheet

that they will be extending an offer sheet in the future to a nuck rfa ?

(i think a specific player needs to be involved for tampering)

 

that would kinda mess up the nuck rebuild

given all the young talent they are acquiring

they could be hamstring in all future negotiations with their rfas

since their rfas could use that threat as leverage

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2 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

is it considered tampering?

 

for san jose to say publicly

if they do not match such an offer sheet

that they will be extending an offer sheet in the future to a nuck rfa ?

(i think a specific player needs to be involved for tampering)

 

that would kinda mess up the nuck rebuild

given all the young talent they are acquiring

they could be hamstring in all future negotiations with their rfas

since their rfas could use that threat as leverage

I believe it would still be considered tampering, even if no specific player is named.

 

It's giving leverage to a player currently under contract to another team.

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15 minutes ago, goalie13 said:

I believe it would still be considered tampering, even if no specific player is named.

 

It's giving leverage to a player currently under contract to another team.

i doubt it

i think you have to name a player

we may need a special counsel appointed

to investigate this legal conundrum i think :P

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38 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

is it considered tampering?

 

for san jose to say publicly

if they do not match such an offer sheet

that they will be extending an offer sheet in the future to a nuck rfa ?

(i think a specific player needs to be involved for tampering)

 

that would kinda mess up the nuck rebuild

given all the young talent they are acquiring

they could be hamstring in all future negotiations with their rfas

since their rfas could use that threat as leverage

I don’t think that’s remotely close to tampering. As you said.  A team official needs to specifically mention a player under contract to another team.  Saying, for instance, a San Jose GM were to say “Vancouver has some interesting players coming up as RFA, perhaps we’d pursue the offer sheet route” they’re simply talking about a mechanism available to them in the CBA.  If however, they said “Brock Boeser can expect an offer sheet from us”. Boom. Tampering. 

 

All that said, most GM’s play team business pretty close to the chest. 

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30 minutes ago, the grinder said:

enlighten us, when has a offer sheet worked?  once?

2007. Dustin Penner.  

1997 Chris Gratton

1996 Ron Tugnutt

1995 Shane Corson

1994 Steven Rice 

1994 Mike Craig 

1994 Petr Nedved

1991 Adam Graves

1991 Brendan Shanahan 

1990 Scott Stevens 

1986 Gary Nyland

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6M is not enough of an incentive to leave the Sharks.  

 

They are competitive now and their window is wide open.  Vancouver is still rebuilding and who knows how long it will take and who will still be around when the rebuild is done.  Canucks have still quite a few missing pieces and no top prospect in the minors ready to make a push before a few years.  The D needs work while the Sharks have probably the strongest blue line in the league.

 

The Sharks would gladly match a 6M aav - it's far less than his potential worth.  They think he's going to get so much better. They feel he's just starting.  There was close to 20 game stretch where he didn't get a goal.

 

Wilson has no intention to trade Meier - their window is open and he's a key part of their team.  He said he talked to Meier and his agent and they both understand that a bridge will be the way to go given their cap situation.  Doesn't sound like he thinks there will be an issue to get Meier under contract.

 

They should be able to move Braun (3.8M) and fill the rest of the roster with cheap contracts/ELCs.  

 

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SJ Matches and run.

 

Timo Meier

Total - 193GP, 54G, 108Pts last season

2019 - 78 GP 30G, 66PTS and also 15 pts in 20 games in a pretty good playoff run.

 

William Nylander prior to 18-19 season

Total 185GP 48G 135 PTS

Best season 81GP - 22G - 61 PTS

Playoffs 8pts in 13 games

 

No way in hell is Timo Meier signing for less than Nylander.   If you want to poach him as an RFA, you'd have to pay at least 8M$ IMO.

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11 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

It happens but more importantly, it forces San Jose to pay up

 

or we get one hell of a young player

You put out an offer sheet and you paint a target on your back.   One thing to do it IF you don't have any impending RFA targets.....another to do if you are Canucks.   IF (and be glad I am not) I were in charge of Canuck personnel management, I would only offer sheet those that did not fall in the "first round pick" compensation range.

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8 hours ago, qwijibo said:

2007. Dustin Penner.  

1997 Chris Gratton

1996 Ron Tugnutt

1995 Shane Corson

1994 Steven Rice 

1994 Mike Craig 

1994 Petr Nedved

1991 Adam Graves

1991 Brendan Shanahan 

1990 Scott Stevens 

1986 Gary Nyland

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once, in the last 20 years, is a rare occurrence is it not?

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10 minutes ago, gurn said:

Once, in the last 20 years, is a rare occurrence is it not?

Yeah. And none in the salary cap era.  There have been offer sheets signed (Shae Weber) but they have been matched. And again. Very rare occurrence 

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13 hours ago, Fanuck said:

 

I think Wilson looks long and hard at a reasonable offer which allows him to recoup any of the picks he gave away otherwise there's no future after their core moves on eventually. 

Dude, literally EXACTLY what you described.....you know something we don't....? 

 

 

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