MikeyD Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 21 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: Not nearly as big a joke as claiming that Pods is lacking in IQ. Where the hell does that nonsense come from? The lack of ice awareness, the neutral zone suicide passes to his teammates, the turnovers, the forced passes instead of patient play, the ability to put the puck into open areas... Iq plays he wasn't making. He makes the occasional high iq play but for every one of those he's making 4 errant passes, poorly timed puck movement, etc. You could see petey's iq miles away if you know the game. If you know the game you should be able to see he's missing some of the pieces. He's not gonna come into the league and light it up. If he had elite iq as you claim he does, he would. Quote me on it. He's got 2 years of developing and in comparison to last year I haven't seen any progression into his game. That doesn't mean he won't get there, he'll just get there slower. Good defensive prospect, mediocre offensive prospect with great raw tools. Great comparable is Kesler and Virtanen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, MikeyD said: The lack of ice awareness, the neutral zone suicide passes to his teammates, the turnovers, the forced passes instead of patient play, the ability to put the puck into open areas... Iq plays he wasn't making. He makes the occasional high iq play but for every one of those he's making 4 errant passes, poorly timed puck movement, etc. You could see petey's iq miles away if you know the game. If you know the game you should be able to see he's missing some of the pieces. He's not gonna come into the league and light it up. If he had elite iq as you claim he does, he would. Quote me on it. He's got 2 years of developing and in comparison to last year I haven't seen any progression into his game. That doesn't mean he won't get there, he'll just get there slower. Good defensive prospect, mediocre offensive prospect with great raw tools. Great comparable is Kesler and Virtanen. What a load of crap. If you knew the game, you would be aware that every player makes errant passes regularly. If you were honest, you would not put up straw men as you did here:"If he had elite iq as you claim he does". And only a simpleton would use a 41 goal Selke winner as an example of a mediocre offensive prospect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Podz kind of resemble an offensively gifted version of Roussel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 9 hours ago, chickenman92 said: I worry a little bit about him being stuck over there and him losing two years of development playing next to no minutes on big ice. I think he’d be better developed as a prospect playing 20+ minutes a night in the CHL against kids his own age this year playing a North American game than he is playing 5 minutes a night in the KHL/VHL. This is a classic case of not knowing what's going on over there and having an opinion based on a few tweets that do not show the full picture. Don't worry, his development is going just fine so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I like the pick but if I am being honest, I am a bit concerned about his offensive production. Also every time he skates through the neutral zone with his head down skating like the Tasmanian Devil, he is going to get leveled when playing in the NHL on a smaller ice surface. I think he needs to learn to slow down a little and make the smart play. I think it will come but we will need to be patient. I also think he will play a year in Utica as I don't think it would benefit him to be in Vancouver playing on the forth line when he could be in Utica playing high min. developing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, dpn1 said: I like the pick but if I am being honest, I am a bit concerned about his offensive production. Also every time he skates through the neutral zone with his head down skating like the Tasmanian Devil, he is going to get leveled when playing in the NHL on a smaller ice surface. I think he needs to learn to slow down a little and make the smart play. I think it will come but we will need to be patient. I also think he will play a year in Utica as I don't think it would benefit him to be in Vancouver playing on the forth line when he could be in Utica playing high min. developing. Bro. Messier. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deathrowe Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 I wasn't fully sold on this guy before the tourney, didn't like the way he utilized his teammates and tried to do end to end rush's constantly. I came away from these past few weeks being extremely happy with his play, even being a year younger than a lot of the competition I thought he was strong on the puck and consistently won board battles. His passing is much better than I thought it was and I was impressed with his net front work on the power play. I'm excited to watch how he develops over the next year and I'm confident he will be a force in the Juniors next year... Never cheered for the Russians before in my life but next year it'll be hard not to cheer a little with Podkolzin as their captain. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: What a load of crap. If you knew the game, you would be aware that every player makes errant passes regularly. If you were honest, you would not put up straw men as you did here:"If he had elite iq as you claim he does". And only a simpleton would use a 41 goal Selke winner as an example of a mediocre offensive prospect. A lot of errant passes are made, absolutely. But not as many as Podkolzin makes at the level he was playing at. He has moments of absolute brilliance with his passing and then can't make a ten foot pass with nobody around him the next. If you didn't see that you weren't watching. And yeah, Kesler's one season is his ultimate defining grace. Do you not remember when he came up from the AHL and was a grinder? That's exactly what I'm talking about. He may have to play that role until he figures the game out. It's a great comparison you just can't figure out why I used it, or you didn't watch the team when he came up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, The 5th Line said: Well it's a short tourney but he still managed to show you "absolute brilliance" so it cant be all that bad eh? Correct. Not all bad. Lots of upside, he just needs to put some of his offensive timing together and figure out when to slow down and pick it up. His defensive iq is at an NHL level already, his defense is way ahead in comparison to others but he just needs to get timing and some skills honed in and he'll be good. It's a small sample size, but I watched a small sample size (a few games) from before he was drafted and largely there were similarities so hopefully something clicks with his timing and he'll be able to gain some consistency between the games he takes over and the games he's invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fanuck Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 People can talk about speed/passing/shooting/scoring/IQ/ect all they want, when it comes down to it, from the games I watched, his coaches were constantly using him in important situations. When the game was on the line, he was out there more often than not. If I'm an NHL coach or GM, in the end, I don't ask my scouts who is the best passer, or who protects the puck better - I ask, who are the coaches sending out there when it matters most? That alone stands over and above any nit-picky passing/skating/points squabbles going on imo. 1 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Podz still ranks pretty high in Buttons latest NHL affiliates prospects rankings. #14 This includes players from multiple drafts. https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-dominate-top-spots-in-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Fanuck said: People can talk about speed/passing/shooting/scoring/IQ/ect all they want, when it comes down to it, from the games I watched, his coaches were constantly using him in important situations. When the game was on the line, he was out there more often than not. If I'm an NHL coach or GM, in the end, I don't ask my scouts who is the best passer, or who protects the puck better - I ask, who are the coaches sending out there when it matters most? That alone stands over and above any nit-picky passing/skating/points squabbles going on imo. ^ this. I think I read that Podz is also the highest ppg U19 player in the VHL, and thats with starting the year bouncing between leagues. Plus wasn't he the youngest Russian team member too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 36 minutes ago, Darius said: Podz still ranks pretty high in Buttons latest NHL affiliates prospects rankings. #14 This includes players from multiple drafts. https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-dominate-top-spots-in-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251 with hog at 35 and madden at 40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 2:11 PM, VegasCanuck said: Fans need to forget this, he will NOT be bought out of his contract, Canucks are happy with where he is and how he is developing. As soon as his season ends next season, he will sign with the Canucks and likely debut in Canucks uniform before the end of the season. Until then, he will continue in the VHL / KHL, which is better than him developing here in Junior or even the AHL. It isn't likely. That was known when he was drafted. Until the option expires, it isn't off the table. I doubt Podz is going to stay in Russia playing sub par minutes making rubles instead of the NHL. So one more season and then he can come over. I can wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phat Fingers Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, MikeyD said: Lol Russian coaching has always been considered oddball and illogical at times. Did you forget the point where Ray Ferraro was questioning why the line was always out in key situations? Do you know more about hockey than Ray Ferraro? Get out of here with your strawman argument. He had a weak tournament, was in effective and wasn't this ultimately great player that Canucks fans are trying to pretend he was. That's all I'm saying. Kid still has loads of potential and is good defensively, but offensively he isn't anywhere close to putting the game together at a pro level yet. They compared him to Messier lol. They compared Boeser to Bossy too but nobody is stupid enough to actually believe that nonsense lol. Dude, are you seriously questioning Larionov's knowledge and intelligence. Do you think Ray Ferraro has more hockey knowledge than the "Professor"? I know your a troll, but are you intoxicated too? Ray Ferraro over Larionov? That's hilarious and you are either a fantastic comedian or a complete fool. Considering that 'gamesmanship' was the only thing keeping Russia from winning gold. It wasn't Team Canada's skill, but it's acting that won them the game. Considering that Larionov was the person deciding Podz's ice time etc as he was the coach. That he is considered to be one of the smartest and best players to ever play the game, his pov on his own player has weight. Entirely relevant and his opinion should carry much more weight than a glorified arm chair quarterback like Ray Ferraro. If you throw out terms Mike, at least know what they mean. Peace out Mikey D. Not going to feed your ridiculous trolling. Edited January 8, 2020 by Phat Fingers 3 2 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) On 1/7/2020 at 3:20 PM, dpn1 said: Podz kind of resemble an offensively gifted version of Roussel. Right on! But many fans on this forum overvalue our prospects. Vasily is a very raw talent and I am not confident he is getting the seasoning required to direct his development properly. I would have a much higher level of confidence for his future if he is playing in Utica right now. All in all it is a good pick at #10. Edited January 8, 2020 by Maddogy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 22 hours ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Would vs focused Quit taking things out of context to fit a narrative. Larionov knows his s*** He said Goldy will score 20 goals on the radio, that tweet was the only source I could find because I am not going over 2 years of 1040 podcasts(Dhaliwal was still on 650 at the time). And goldy fired him soon after so did other high profile players like Galchenyuk. He now oversees only 3 players. https://puckpedia.com/agent/igor-larionov I don't have a narrative other than comparing Pods with Messier is a load of #$^&. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, theo5789 said: This is a classic case of not knowing what's going on over there and having an opinion based on a few tweets that do not show the full picture. Don't worry, his development is going just fine so far. If by fine, you mean he’ll be in the lineup around the 23-24 season then okay. from what I’ve read and saw at the world juniors he’s on the same type of development road as Virtanen, ie missing out on development with his peers and being pushed into a very limited role with men. Guessing his development goes something like this: 19-20: bounce around Russian teams with limited opportunity 20-21: bottom 6 in KHL with limited offensive opportunities 21-22: spend a year in Utica learning the North American game 22-23: spend a year in Utica regaining the confidence and skill that has been sucked out of him the previous three seasons 23-24: makes the Canucks lineup...if he stays over here long enough. I’m a firm believer that if you want to develop players right, they need to play in the role you intend them to play in the NHL. If you think Podkolzin is a 2nd line winger, he needs to be somewhere, where he’s playing 16-19 minutes a night with power-play time. If he’s not getting that, then his development is being set back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WeneedLumme Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, chickenman92 said: If by fine, you mean he’ll be in the lineup around the 23-24 season then okay. from what I’ve read and saw at the world juniors he’s on the same type of development road as Virtanen, ie missing out on development with his peers and being pushed into a very limited role with men. Guessing his development goes something like this: 19-20: bounce around Russian teams with limited opportunity 20-21: bottom 6 in KHL with limited offensive opportunities 21-22: spend a year in Utica learning the North American game 22-23: spend a year in Utica regaining the confidence and skill that has been sucked out of him the previous three seasons 23-24: makes the Canucks lineup...if he stays over here long enough. I’m a firm believer that if you want to develop players right, they need to play in the role you intend them to play in the NHL. If you think Podkolzin is a 2nd line winger, he needs to be somewhere, where he’s playing 16-19 minutes a night with power-play time. If he’s not getting that, then his development is being set back. Maybe you should explain this to Benning, who has stated that Podz is ready to play in the NHL right now. I am sure you know where Podz is in his development much better than JB does: Jim Benning has a pretty good idea of where he’ll be playing the year after that. “We’ll sign him and he’ll step right in and play,” the Canucks’ GM said. “He could play right now.” Edited January 9, 2020 by WeneedLumme 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Benning also said Granlund played like Bergeron...I think he’s trying to sell beans to the fan base. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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