Vasily Podkolzin | #92 | RW

[grandmaster]

34 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said:

The KHL ruining ‘nhl’ prospects is a tied old trope that’s based on conjecture, and in part grounded in Russophobia. For every example people have of that, I’m sure a compatible of a promising young player coming over to NA and being ‘ruined’ could be found.

 

KHL teams do develop players, and the KHL is not a development league either, the job of the coach is to win, and they means established players will get played, just like in the NHL. Not only this if a player has signed a contract elsewhere prior to the end of the season or indicates they are leaving, it’s in the teams interests to spend less time developing that player over one which is staying, especially in the medium to long term. That’s not politics or punishing the player thats the reality of team building. 
 

if the player who is leaving is good enough to crack the squad and is a key player - they will still play, especially if it helps to win. 
 

Some people on this forum need to pull their heads out of their proverbials. Currently SKA are paying his wage, he is not a loaned player and so how they choose to develop him or not is entirely their prerogative. Just because an NHL team has drafted a player doesn’t give them god given rights to their career- only their contract rights if they come to play in the NHL

Relax with your “Russiaphobia”.

 

Phobia is often used incorrectly by folks like you. There is no extreme or irrational fear or aversion here.
 

People have reasonable concerns and ought to have them. This is a an extremely high potential kid who needs more development and should not be treated as a scrub. He ought not to be in the KHL if this is how they see him. I get that they are not responsible for developing him, especially when he is about to jump ship to North America, but they don’t have to punish him either. There is legitimate concern that these 2 years in the KHL could possibly cause irreversible damage.

 

JB should try to buy his contract out. 

[theo5789]

5 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

Relax with your “Russiaphobia”.

 

Phobia is often used incorrectly by folks like you. There is no extreme or irrational fear or aversion here.
 

People have reasonable concerns and ought to have them. This is a an extremely high potential kid who needs more development and should not be treated as a scrub. He ought not to be in the KHL if this is how they see him. I get that they are not responsible for developing him, especially when he is about to jump ship to North America, but they don’t have to punish him either. There is legitimate concern that these 2 years in the KHL could possibly cause irreversible damage.

 

JB should try to buy his contract out. 

[grandmaster]

1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

Ha! What I said was reasonable!

[rizzuto&hatoum]

What's the TOI for the other two guys on the 'Kid' line?

[Beary Sweet]

Can’t wait to see how the kid does in the WJC. Go Podz Go!

[higgyfan]

1 hour ago, grandmaster said:

Relax with your “Russiaphobia”.

 

Phobia is often used incorrectly by folks like you. There is no extreme or irrational fear or aversion here.
 

People have reasonable concerns and ought to have them. This is a an extremely high potential kid who needs more development and should not be treated as a scrub. He ought not to be in the KHL if this is how they see him. I get that they are not responsible for developing him, especially when he is about to jump ship to North America, but they don’t have to punish him either. There is legitimate concern that these 2 years in the KHL could possibly cause irreversible damage.

 

JB should try to buy his contract out. 

Why?  His contract ends in the spring.  Right now, he's playing hockey, unlike the NA kids his age.

[grandmaster]

7 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Why?  His contract ends in the spring.  Right now, he's playing hockey, unlike the NA kids his age.

Is he really? He has been basically a seat warmer all year and barely gets shifts. Worried about his psyche. Rather he play anywhere but there.

[WeneedLumme]

22 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

Is he really? He has been basically a seat warmer all year and barely gets shifts. Worried about his psyche. Rather he play anywhere but there.

He has played 19 games this season while averaging 12 minutes per game ice time. Only 2 players on his team (of the 47 skaters who have played at least one game) have played more games than that, while all the rest have played fewer games than he has. That is actually pretty good for a teenager playing in the KHL, which right now is the highest level hockey league in the world that is currently playing.

 

Now here is a question I bet you don't want to answer: with no NHL or AHL play currently happening, and no certainty regarding if or when their seasons will start, where do you feel he should be playing right now? Feel free to make a constructive suggestion.

[Elias Pettersson]

54 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

He has played 19 games this season while averaging 12 minutes per game ice time. Only 2 players on his team (of the 47 skaters who have played at least one game) have played more games than that, while all the rest have played fewer games than he has. That is actually pretty good for a teenager playing in the KHL, which right now is the highest level hockey league in the world that is currently playing.

 

Now here is a question I bet you don't want to answer: with no NHL or AHL play currently happening, and no certainty regarding if or when their seasons will start, where do you feel he should be playing right now? Feel free to make a constructive suggestion.

Podkolzin would be playing pond hockey in Siberia right now if he wasn’t in the KHL.  Same with Tryamkin.  We are lucky that both are playing in an actual professional league and playing in real games.  There won’t be any North American hockey until at least January, maybe even February.  Podkolzin and Tryamkin could be in the Canucks lineup by mid season next year.

[SilentSam]

3 hours ago, theo5789 said:

 

2 hours ago, grandmaster said:

Ha! What I said was reasonable!

Actually ,  entirely logical 

[grandmaster]

3 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

He has played 19 games this season while averaging 12 minutes per game ice time. Only 2 players on his team (of the 47 skaters who have played at least one game) have played more games than that, while all the rest have played fewer games than he has. That is actually pretty good for a teenager playing in the KHL, which right now is the highest level hockey league in the world that is currently playing.

 

Now here is a question I bet you don't want to answer: with no NHL or AHL play currently happening, and no certainty regarding if or when their seasons will start, where do you feel he should be playing right now? Feel free to make a constructive suggestion.

Europe? 

[WeneedLumme]

35 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

Europe? 

So you feel he would develop better if the Canucks somehow bought out his contract and dropped him into some other country where he doesn't speak the language, where the level of hockey played is lower, hoping that his new coach will focus on developing him for the Canucks in the few months he is there. Yeah, totally reasonable, good idea.

[grandmaster]

17 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

So you feel he would develop better if the Canucks somehow bought out his contract and dropped him into some other country where he doesn't speak the language, where the level of hockey played is lower, hoping that his new coach will focus on developing him for the Canucks in the few months he is there. Yeah, totally reasonable, good idea.

Because players don’t go overseas all the time and play in places where they don’t know the language. Also, in case you haven’t figured it out, he is Russian so where is your argument when he finally lands here? Yeah thought so.

 

It’s about getting more opportunities to have better ice time and it’s well known that in the KHL they could care less about talented youth and development, especially for North American property.

Edited October 29, 2020 by grandmaster

[WeneedLumme]

7 hours ago, grandmaster said:

Because players don’t go overseas all the time and play in places where they don’t know the language. Also, in case you haven’t figured it out, he is Russian so where is your argument when he finally lands here? Yeah thought so.

 

It’s about getting more opportunities to have better ice time and it’s well known that in the KHL they could care less about talented youth and development, especially for North American property.

1. Pretty sure he is already studying English in anticipation of coming to North America to play. So you feel that he is also studying Swedish, Finnish, German etc. so he could just drop into any Euro league and still be able to communicate equally well with his coaches and teammates? Because if he can't, he wouldn't be able to develop very effectively.

 

2. He could get lots of ice time in Junior too, but it would be a stupid place to expect him to develop, and all the other Euro leagues are unquestionably also lower levels of play than the KHL. Playing in lower quality competition is NOT a guarantee of better development.

 

3. As I pointed out to you, he is playing frequently and averaging 12 minutes per game in a very high level of hockey. That's a rather far cry from your claim that he is just a seat warmer who gets no shifts at all.

 

Your assumption that some other Pro coach in some unspecified league would for sure give him more ice time and would focus on developing him for the Canucks, knowing that he would only be there for a few months, is just plain foolish.

[Tracksuit]

The way he’s being treated sucks for Him and  his development but plays in our favour It’s going to make him Even more eager to leave and less likely to go back. 

Quicker he’s here the better.

[Provost]

On 10/28/2020 at 6:14 PM, WeneedLumme said:

He has played 19 games this season while averaging 12 minutes per game ice time. Only 2 players on his team (of the 47 skaters who have played at least one game) have played more games than that, while all the rest have played fewer games than he has. That is actually pretty good for a teenager playing in the KHL, 

The average doesn’t tell the story even slightly.

 

He wasn’t playing, half his team got sick with covid so he played 25 minutes a game for a stretch because they didn’t have any bodies... now he is back to barely playing again.
 

The rest of the team played fewer games because they were unavailable

due to Covid.

 

That is entirety different than getting a consistent 12 minutes a night developing.

Edited October 30, 2020 by Provost

[Hosjes]

I would like to see his average ice time for the season excluding the covid games 

[WeneedLumme]

I sure have a strong sense of deja vu in this thread. It really seems as if I have read all this mindless drivel before. Oh, yeah, it was in this same thread a year ago.

 

At this point last year the armchair GMs were frothing at the mouth over the fact that his average ice time per game had been less than 4 minutes and he had only skated in about 11 KHL games.

 

Fast forward to this year, and they are frothing at the mouth over the fact that his ice time is only averaging 12 minutes per game and he has played 19 KHL games.

 

Of course this year the same nonsense is even sillier, since even if the Canucks could buy out his contract, there is no NHL or AHL for him to be playing in. There is obviously NO place better for his development right now than exactly where he is.

 

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by WeneedLumme

[Alienhuggyflow]

3 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

I sure have a strong sense of deja vu in this thread. It really seems as if I have read all this mindless drivel before. Oh, yeah, it was in this same thread a year ago.

 

At this point last year the armchair GMs were frothing at the mouth over the fact that his average ice time per game had been less than 4 minutes and he had only skated in about 11 KHL games.

 

Fast forward to this year, and they are frothing at the mouth over that fact that his ice time is only averaging 12 minutes per game and he has played 19 KHL games.

 

Of course this year the same nonsense is even sillier, since even if the Canucks could buy out his contract, there is no NHL or AHL for him to be playing in. There is obviously NO place better for his development right now than exactly where he is.

 

 

There are some on here who let their dated opinions on Russia get the best of them.

Podz is exactly where he should be and the whole Tram situation should serve as a reminder. Russians who are drafted out of Russia are very different than the ones who come over in JR.

Even if there was an AHL season right now having a 19- year old who barely speaks English will not develop better in that environment.

As for his role look at his linemate Merenchenko (not the right spelling) he is a year-older and before getting promoted to the top-line he was sent to the MHL. When Covid hit SKA, he seized the chance and hasn't looked back. Podz however wasn't able to show enough offence to warrant a permanent switch and that's fine.

I actually think he will excel on the smaller ice and will be the missing piece in our top six.

He is so far ahead of most kids his age defensively that even if he tops out as a 20-25 goal 40-50 point player he will still be a big part of our success because of everything else he brings.

This kid battles every shift and from all accounts is a hell of a teammate that will go to war for his team. 

All this talk is moot, at least he's playing and when he comes over I doubt Utica will ever get the pleasure of having him since he's already good enough for our 3rd-4th line and pk duties.

[grandmaster]

On 10/29/2020 at 6:39 AM, WeneedLumme said:

1. Pretty sure he is already studying English in anticipation of coming to North America to play. So you feel that he is also studying Swedish, Finnish, German etc. so he could just drop into any Euro league and still be able to communicate equally well with his coaches and teammates? Because if he can't, he wouldn't be able to develop very effectively.

 

2. He could get lots of ice time in Junior too, but it would be a stupid place to expect him to develop, and all the other Euro leagues are unquestionably also lower levels of play than the KHL. Playing in lower quality competition is NOT a guarantee of better development.

 

3. As I pointed out to you, he is playing frequently and averaging 12 minutes per game in a very high level of hockey. That's a rather far cry from your claim that he is just a seat warmer who gets no shifts at all.

 

Your assumption that some other Pro coach in some unspecified league would for sure give him more ice time and would focus on developing him for the Canucks, knowing that he would only be there for a few months, is just plain foolish.

1. You speak of assumptions yet you make a comment of his language studies. His stop in a place like Europe would also be too short for him to try and or need to learn the language of his temporary league.

2. As I said, he has been mostly a bench warmer so there is no logic in your thought of a higher league helping his development.

 

3. See Provost’s comments on why he had a temp surge in ice time. Key word; temporary.