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2 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

I’m not so sure that their expectations are too, just the wrong expectations for the kind of payer he is. There is no law that says that every player on a top six line has to be a big scorer. One player on a line can have a different role  - be the defensive conscience of the line. This was the job of Podkolzin’s junior world’s coach - Kruton and Makarov were the scorers on his line - he was the defensive conscience and set up man. Lemaire had this role with Shutt and Lefleur - Morrison with Nasund and Bertuzzi, and so on. In the days of Soviet powerhouse teams - the players were built from breaking down film of Bobby Orr, but after Orr had retired, and the Canadian teams featured Lafleur, Perrault, Clark Esposito, and the like - he called a Bob Gainey the greatest player of his day. Left winger, Gainey, effectively throttled the best Russian players. 
 

Tiny Larionov throttled the huge, enormously talented, Eric Lindros in the Stanley Cup final and Detroit took the trophy. 
 

If Podkolzin can bring something of the like to the arguably defensively challenged Canucks, surely that could be welcomed, and surely that could make a top line more effective - as many noted scouts have stated - he could be the player that good players want to play with. Time, coaching and development will tell. But here, of course, everyone will speculate, and that is just fine, it is part of why this venue exists. I just hope our prospects ignore it, because if they take it seriously they will see themselves as something they are not entirely, and that would be a shame. Unrealistic expectations may have destroyed many a promising player, I’d hate that to happen to any of ours.

If Podkolzyn turns into a consistent heavy player he'll do well, because that is one of the teams needs. Scoring two goals against Austria only tells us he'd do well in the Austrian Junior league

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On 12/27/2020 at 2:45 PM, Canuck Surfer said:

We need to be easier on our prospects.  Podz is team Russia's captain, it's most physical player. He wins its puck battles, dominates match ups at 6'4'' 200 lbs..

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10 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

So you obviously didn't watch the game if that's all you know about his performance.

 

Here's the simple answer:  I suggest you do (watch).  He was a force out there....player of the game wasn't just based on the points.  He did a whole lot of good stuff out there.

It proves only one thing. He's well suited to the Austrian.... Austrian ... junior league, sorry :)

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3 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

It proves only one thing. He's well suited to the Austrian.... Austrian ... junior league, sorry :)

Did you watch the game?

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2 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Did you watch the game?

No I didn't, but the games to watch was not against Austria you need to watch the game against the quality opposition. It serves no purpose to watch the games against a Pee Wee team. As a rule of thumb you do as well as the opposition permits. Canada got tired of scoring against the likes of Switzerland  and Germany, it means nothing. In our home I only get one vote as to what we watch :) But tonight I'll be voting to watch the Russia/Sweden game, fingers crossed :)

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13 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

If Podkolzyn turns into a consistent heavy player he'll do well, because that is one of the teams needs. Scoring two goals against Austria only tells us he'd do well in the Austrian Junior league

Definitely his style of play is a team need.  Also, being able to play a defensive game will likely get him into the NHL sooner than many other jr. players.  I do believe that he will take some time to reach his potential though.

 

He surpassed the Russian Jr league and the 2nd adult league long ago; both of which far exceed the Austrian Jr league.  I agree that the 3pts don't prove anything about his NHL playability, nor does the treasure trove of goals the Cdns are scoring against Germany and Switzerland. 

 

We are all speculating on what Podz NHL game will be right now, but I think Larionov's and Button's thoughts are at least based in professional experience.

 

 

 

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No, you should actually watch the games if you're going to chime in on them or your insight is meaningless.

As was the game ..... meaningless

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20 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

OK, gonna call you out on your "meaningless games" deal because it seems you may apply a double standard.

 

So:  when you were impressed by Zegras....was that in the game they lost versus Russia?  Or, more likely, the one where they clobbered Austria (meaningless team/game)?  

And Newhook & Sukuki?  During the game where they slaughtered a depleted/limping German team?  Because your comment was made after that game.

 

It's ok to be excited about Canucks' prospects (like I am)...but if you're not on board, that's cool too.  Just want you to be consistent in how you gauge players, that's all.  

 

 

He he that's a nice take on it... I guess we'll find out a lot about Zegras/Podz/Costmar the two upcoming games which will be interesting. Points are not really the main issue though, remember Petey being kind of less than elite in his tourney because of linemates or whatever, but still think it will give a clear indication on what level each player is on.

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9 minutes ago, J-P said:

He he that's a nice take on it... I guess we'll find out a lot about Zegras/Podz/Costmar the two upcoming games which will be interesting. Points are not really the main issue though, remember Petey being kind of less than elite in his tourney because of linemates or whatever, but still think it will give a clear indication on what level each player is on.

Time will tell...for all of them.  And that extends beyond this and into how they fare in the NHL.

 

But it's ok to be excited about our prospects.  Love people who come in here touting other players and compare ours negatively against them when they...actually don't even watch?  No.  Your opinion really doesn't count if it's based on checking out point totals and stats.  Especially when claiming that you don't need to read the reports...you watch with your own eyes.  Except when you don't.

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24 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

OK, gonna call you out on your "meaningless games" deal because it seems you may apply a double standard.

 

So:  when you were impressed by Zegras....was that in the game they lost versus Russia?  Or, more likely, the one where they clobbered Austria (meaningless team/game)?  

And Newhook & Sukuki?  During the game where they slaughtered a depleted/limping German team?  Because your comment was made after that game.

 

It's ok to be excited about Canucks' prospects (like I am)...but if you're not on board, that's cool too.  Just want you to be consistent in how you gauge players, that's all.  ,

 

Some truth in that. But   A) I didn't swoon over Newhook, if you're to quantify him from the German game.  B)  B) Zegras I ranked before he was even drafted. I liked him then and I like him now. He's clearly a quality player, you don't need  to watch him more than once to understand his skill. Podkolzyn you have to wait for a Pee Wee game to watch, I never watched Podkolzyn prior to the draft and apart from the Pee Wee game I've seen nothing. You skew his value by using the Austrian game to make a judgment ....IMHO.  But that's not to say I'm correct

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50 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Some truth in that. But   A) I didn't swoon over Newhook, if you're to quantify him from the German game.  B)  B) Zegras I ranked before he was even drafted. I liked him then and I like him now. He's clearly a quality player, you don't need  to watch him more than once to understand his skill. Podkolzyn you have to wait for a Pee Wee game to watch, I never watched Podkolzyn prior to the draft and apart from the Pee Wee game I've seen nothing. You skew his value by using the Austrian game to make a judgment ....IMHO.  But that's not to say I'm correct

Says we skew Podz value (he didn't watch him...we did) :blink: 
Decides based on "never watching him prior to the draft" and not watching him in a meaningless game. 
But knows more about him than we do.

 

On Zegras:  "ranked him before he was even drafted....quality player...you don't need to watch him more than once(aka skewed value?)

 

It's ok...this is hurting my brain too much.  I'm just going to keep watching and cheering for our guy.  You keep not watching and evaluating in order to correct us when we're wrong.   

 

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5 hours ago, Googlie said:

Finally got the skinny .....

 

After Larianov told him he had to be the team's defensive conscience, he googled "defensive forward", and watched endless hours of tape, then modelled his game after Eriksson countless Red Army players to emulate.

 

ftty

 

Larionov is transitioning that team to a more signature/traditional Russian style of hockey.

 

Imo this serves Podzolzin - and the Canucks - well.  We all know the Podkolzin has upside/talent - I welcome this focus on the rest of the game - and don't really care about concerns over situational and small sample production.

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19 minutes ago, oldnews said:

ftty

 

Larionov is transitioning that team to a more signature/traditional Russian style of hockey.

 

Imo this serves Podzolzin - and the Canucks - well.  We all know the Podkolzin has upside/talent - I welcome this focus on the rest of the game - and don't really care about concerns over situational and small sample production.

Larionov clearly trusts VP to lead the way in that regard. Tonight will be a great chance to see how far he's come, Sweden won't be an easy game. 

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6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Larionov clearly trusts VP to lead the way in that regard. Tonight will be a great chance to see how far he's come, Sweden won't be an easy game. 

I think if his teammates show up, Pod will have a good game. They’ll still be in tough against the Swedes, of course. But the Russian team as a whole needs to make good decisions on exits, play selection, and shot selection, at least compared to what they did in their earlier games (especially versus the Czechs). The last game was a step in the right direction, but also an inferior opponent, so it’s easier to dictate play. But if the Russians get back to treating the puck like a hand grenade, poorly reading transition paths, flubbing passes, fanning on shots, and making a bunch of stupid point shots into heavy traffic, then Podkolzin likely won’t look very good, regardless of how hard he works, or how well he plays individually.

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1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

Some truth in that. But   A) I didn't swoon over Newhook, if you're to quantify him from the German game.  B)  B) Zegras I ranked before he was even drafted. I liked him then and I like him now. He's clearly a quality player, you don't need  to watch him more than once to understand his skill. Podkolzyn you have to wait for a Pee Wee game to watch, I never watched Podkolzyn prior to the draft and apart from the Pee Wee game I've seen nothing. You skew his value by using the Austrian game to make a judgment ....IMHO.  But that's not to say I'm correct

So you have never watched him play, you can't even spell his name right, and what do you mean - you didn't watch the game so you still haven't seen 'nothing'... :picard: just stop man

 

"You skew his value by using the Austrian game to make a judgment ....IMHO." isnt that what you're doing though lmfao

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