iceman64 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: He's trying to make a point that, just because a player might not have done well at the WJC doesn't mean he cannot be an effective NHLer. He used Bo Horvat. oh ok.. missed that part at the very bottom of the page, finally saw it, thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Fred65 said: Oh I appreciate Podkolzyn's skills. But he's more like a Juolevi type pick than a Hughes type. I fully understtand the need for different components to make a good roster and I suspect he will be a welcome addition but his effect will be more like a Virtanen effect ( not in attitude but defining skills) I'm trying to remain realistic and like many hope for the best. Zegras what a beauty he's going to be and frankly I did follow him pre draft and was hoping we'd land him, we missed by one pick. Boldy was better than I expected but I'm not fully sold on him. Just think if we'd drafted Zegras, this board would be in a swoon Like you said we couldn't draft Zegras so it's moot to think about such things. I personally advocated very hard for Newhook but 100% Podkolzin was the player to take there. Imagine the years of poop fleury we would have to endure if JB had let a top 5 ranked pick slip by him at 10. (also a moot point he didn't) He had a great tournament some had a better one. That doesn't diminish Podkolzin's performance. Could you imagine the tournament he would have had playing with finishers like on the American and Canadian teams. I feel like he's doing just fine for a 19yearold kid playing a mans style. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J.I.A.H.N Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Guys.............I say that generically! Look why do you love Motte, Burrows, Lupul, Cooke, Snepts, even Pettersson......... Because they work so damn hard.......they are honest, no shifts off kind of players It's why we love Ripper, and Hansen Yes, all different skill levels, but if they all floated we would be moaning............ Here we have a kid, that has not played a game in the NHL, is only 19 We look at Virtanen and we want Podkolzin's motor, his drive, his passion....... It just not that simple and players do not all come perfect....well maybe Huggy and Petie But usually it takes some time, and effort, and I can tell you, If Podkolzin wants to improve, he has the drive and will to do it But let see what he has got, before we start cutting him down! Edited January 8, 2021 by janisahockeynut 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 8 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: So Podkolzin is different, and has a different skill set. Does he lack a snippers shot, yes, but it is teachable to some extent, so it will improve. Don't see much wrong with this ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 It’s interesting to watch his highlights from when he was younger. He was much lighter, quicker on his feet and played with better support players. It wouldn’t surprise me if an increase in his conditioning would make a world of difference for his effectiveness on the ice now that he is a much bigger guy. The difference of his shiftiness from when he was young and light to now reminds me a lot of Joulevi when he won the tourney with Laine to when he grew and then captained the team himself. It’s not shocking that either player were picked where they were, and then had growing pains because of their respective situations and personal events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, HomeBrew said: It’s interesting to watch his highlights from when he was younger. He was much lighter, quicker on his feet and played with better support players. It wouldn’t surprise me if an increase in his conditioning would make a world of difference for his effectiveness on the ice now that he is a much bigger guy. The difference of his shiftiness from when he was young and light to now reminds me a lot of Joulevi when he won the tourney with Laine to when he grew and then captained the team himself. It’s not shocking that either player were picked where they were, and then had growing pains because of their respective situations and personal events. It is honestly hard to tell if he's lost a step or not. This tourney he definitely looked slower but I think he was hurt. He was shaken up after a lot of plays and it appeared to be a lower body issue. He just didn't look to be skating in some games and that isn't the Podz we all know. More often than not as players gain weight they slow down slightly but it isn't very noticeable. But I think his best world juniors was his first one which is weird. Edited January 8, 2021 by Outsiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 We’ll need to wait and see but more talented line mates naturally leads to more scoring opportunities and once they start setting VP up with scoring chances look out. think of Quinn Hughes , Petey and Schmidt sending apples his way on the pp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 He left an impression on the 18 year olds for sure. Im confident that next year's team Russia, those 18 year olds then will be 19 will have Podkolzin's words in mind for the next WJC. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 19 hours ago, hammertime said: Like you said we couldn't draft Zegras so it's moot to think about such things. I personally advocated very hard for Newhook but 100% Podkolzin was the player to take there. Imagine the years of poop fleury we would have to endure if JB had let a top 5 ranked pick slip by him at 10. (also a moot point he didn't) He had a great tournament some had a better one. That doesn't diminish Podkolzin's performance. Could you imagine the tournament he would have had playing with finishers like on the American and Canadian teams. I feel like he's doing just fine for a 19yearold kid playing a mans style. He's doing fine considering he hasn't been developed much but I think most of what you see is from his drive to learn and be a elite player, some say he isn't but I doubt you'd convince him of otherwise since Horvat was much the same but with much better development but it will come for Podz in time, a huge upgrade from Jake, Jake only wishes he had the drive as Podz does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 19 hours ago, Googlie said: Don't see much wrong with this ..... First one looked like a Petey snipe.. can see that coming close to Petey's with some more practice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, iceman64 said: First one looked like a Petey snipe.. can see that coming close to Petey's with some more practice Exactly what I thought. I tried to capture a still shot of the stick flex at impact and put side by side with one of Petey's but that skill is way above my pay grade Here's Petey's first NHL goal ... Edited January 9, 2021 by Googlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 39 minutes ago, Googlie said: Exactly what I thought. I tried to capture a still shot of the stick flex at impact and put side by side with one of Petey's but that skill is way above my pay grade Here's Petey's first NHL goal ... yeah I saw that goal, perfect shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 20 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Guys.............I say that generically! Look why do you love Motte, Burrows, Lupul, Cooke, Snepts, even Pettersson......... Because they work so damn hard.......they are honest, no shifts off kind of players It's why we love Ripper, and Hansen Yes, all different skill levels, but if they all floated we would be moaning............ Here we have a kid, that has not played a game in the NHL, is only 19 We look at Virtanen and we want Podkolzin's motor, his drive, his passion....... It just not that simple and players do not all come perfect....well maybe Huggy and Petie But usually it takes some time, and effort, and I can tell you, If Podkolzin wants to improve, he has the drive and will to do it But let see what he has got, before we start cutting him down! thankfully I'm cheering for Podz bigtime, like his game and potential and that work ethic I know very well, I grew up like that myself, had a perfectionistic dad so I learned in a hurry what hard work pays off... seems like he is a more talented BoHo but with a semi mean streak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 If Podkolzin had some finish with him, he would likely have had about 10 or more assists in the tournament. Time after time he put perfect passes to players with either a gaping net or the next best thing to that and whiffs were in the air. Comparing notes with a few people who follow this kid more closely than I do feel that if put on a line with NHL calibre players he will emerge nicely as getting enough offence to stick in a top six but will also bring a tenacity that creates lots of space for even more success for those who are less "physical". Lots to like about this prospect. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 7 hours ago, iceman64 said: He's doing fine considering he hasn't been developed much but I think most of what you see is from his drive to learn and be a elite player, some say he isn't but I doubt you'd convince him of otherwise since Horvat was much the same but with much better development but it will come for Podz in time, a huge upgrade from Jake, Jake only wishes he had the drive as Podz does. why does a complement to Podkolzin need to be a slap in the face to Jake? Its water under the bridge at this point. Accept Jake for Jake and let it go. realistically he's good value for his contract brings size and speed can pot 20 maybe. I'ts not jakes fault he was picked where he was in the draft. Get over it. I feel like we have seen this episode with Steve Bernier and after he left watched him settle into a role where he was accepted as a role player and helped NJ to a finals they had no business being in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 49 minutes ago, hammertime said: why does a complement to Podkolzin need to be a slap in the face to Jake? Its water under the bridge at this point. Accept Jake for Jake and let it go. realistically he's good value for his contract brings size and speed can pot 20 maybe. I'ts not jakes fault he was picked where he was in the draft. Get over it. I feel like we have seen this episode with Steve Bernier and after he left watched him settle into a role where he was accepted as a role player and helped NJ to a finals they had no business being in. I don't know, maybe because he came to camp numerous times out of shape and nowhere near ready.. duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Podkolzin is a top 6 player Jake is not . Podkolzin has the drive to win that is needed on the Canucks . Jake not so much. Jake is a third line winger, Podkolzin would look good on Horvat's wing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 1:25 PM, J-Dizzle said: ‘Skating isn’t up to par....’ ‘Not enough numbers in the regular season to justify a top ten pick....’ ‘didn’t dominate world jr’s....’ ..... Bo Horvat 2013/2014 Haha, ha some more. So well played... I did not like the Horvat pick when it came out. I consider myself successfully slapped upside wit a codfish. I am fully screeched & on board with Podkolzin. I should save this for a Newfie player, but it still fits. I wish u good luck Podz, may the wind be in yer sails... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 hours ago, vannuck59 said: Podkolzin is a top 6 player Jake is not . Podkolzin has the drive to win that is needed on the Canucks . Jake not so much. Jake is a third line winger, Podkolzin would look good on Horvat's wing. I'd think Podkolzyn is ultimately going to take Pearsons spot with Hoglander switching wings 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JeremyCuddles Posted January 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2021 11 hours ago, iceman64 said: I don't know, maybe because he came to camp numerous times out of shape and nowhere near ready.. duh! This doesn't answer his question, but even when he came to camp outta shape he still would have dropped 20 goals on a full season. Lol. Jake Virtanen is so talented he came to camp outta shape and still almost outscored the rest of the 3rd line combined. He had 18, they had a combined 19. But hey, y'all keep frothing from the mouth about a 3rd line player. Arguably the only legit 3rd line talent we have in the bottom 6. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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