[Trade] Lightning trade J.T. Miller to Canucks for Marek Mazanec, 2019 3rd-round pick, 2020 conditional 1st-round pick

[rekker 9,873]

6 hours ago, King Heffy said:

I hated the deal at first and blasted Benning, slept on it, and ended up seeing why the deal made sense.

Me too. I think a lot of us felt that way. The pendulum swing on this deal is incredible really. 

[Smashian Kassian 12,548]

7 hours ago, King Heffy said:

I hated the deal at first and blasted Benning, slept on it, and ended up seeing why the deal made sense.

 

1 hour ago, rekker said:

Me too. I think a lot of us felt that way. The pendulum swing on this deal is incredible really. 

 

Same here, was very critical.

 

No one expected Hughes & Miller to be as good as they were, totally catapulted our team. I bet if ppl knew how good Hughes was the reaction would've been different, but thats not to take away from the supporters.

 

They deserve credit for identifying Miller & all the intangibles he could bring. 

 

Edited February 1 by Smashian Kassian

[Smashian Kassian 12,548]

On 22/06/2019 at 11:18 AM, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Because they mis-understood where the team is at and gambled on trading a 1st round pick for immediate help.

 

This trade was made in desperate hopes of boosting our team actually.

 

Miller is a fine player, not worth a mid or higher first round pick though. Would've rather added Barrie for this price. 

 

 

 

@coryberg

 

Yikes totally wrong. Can't believe I said that, tho I think I also praised Loui so.. thank god Barrie didn't happen.

 

And it turns out they were right about Miller boosting our team, after-all. 

 

 

[gurn 11,877]

1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said:

No one expected Hughes & Miller

J.B. did, with both players, but I doubt he thought Quinn would be so good so fast.

[rekker 9,873]

2 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

 

Same here, was very critical.

 

No one expected Hughes & Miller to be as good as they were, totally catapulted our team. I bet if ppl knew how good Hughes was the reaction would've been different, but thats not to take away from the supporters.

 

They deserve credit for identifying Miller & all the intangibles he could bring. 

 

I will never forget how giddy JB was when he drafted Hughes, the interview immediately following. Never seen him like that. Like a tickeled baby, lol.

[oldnews 53,073]

2 hours ago, rekker said:

I will never forget how giddy JB was when he drafted Hughes, the interview immediately following. Never seen him like that. Like a tickeled baby, lol.

[The Lock 5,647]

5 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

@coryberg

 

Yikes totally wrong. Can't believe I said that, tho I think I also praised Loui so.. thank god Barrie didn't happen.

 

And it turns out they were right about Miller boosting our team, after-all. 

I honestly think Barrie would have been non-impactful (except on our wallet lol).

 

Not to say Barrie isn't good, I just think he's overrated.

[aGENT 34,352]

20 minutes ago, The Lock said:

I honestly think Barrie would have been non-impactful (except on our wallet lol).

 

Not to say Barrie isn't good, I just think he's overrated.

And would have been redundant with Hughes.

 

Same reason I loathe seeing proposals for Dumba. Especially for Boeser.

[The Lock 5,647]

Just now, aGENT said:

And would have been redundant with Hughes.

 

Same reason I loathe seeing proposals for Dumba. Especially for Boeser.

People are quick to overreact. Most of that Boeser for Dumba stuff came out of Toffoli playing 10 games for us at a point per game while Boeser's still finding his game at the age of 23. Granted Toffoli's on a hot streak in Montreal, but it's again a small sample size and Boeser's also now on a point per game streak.

 

I think moving Boeser would have been a lot harder on the locker room than moving Toffoli. Toffoli not being here makes sense. Could we say the same with Boeser not being here?

[coryberg 4,636]

1 hour ago, The Lock said:

People are quick to overreact. Most of that Boeser for Dumba stuff came out of Toffoli playing 10 games for us at a point per game while Boeser's still finding his game at the age of 23. Granted Toffoli's on a hot streak in Montreal, but it's again a small sample size and Boeser's also now on a point per game streak.

 

I think moving Boeser would have been a lot harder on the locker room than moving Toffoli. Toffoli not being here makes sense. Could we say the same with Boeser not being here?

Boeser has averaged 33 goals per 82 games over his career...Toffoli has averaged 23. Can't wait till Boeser "finds his game" 

Edited February 1 by coryberg

[chilliwiggins 1,068]

On 6/22/2019 at 10:07 AM, -Vintage Canuck- said:

https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/vancouver-canucks-jt-miller/c-307989946

 

If the Canucks do not make the playoffs in 2019-20, the first-round selection will move to the 2021.

Frig.   If we had a solid contract writer we could have said in more detail that if the Canucks ended up in the top 16 we give up our 1st rounder in 2021.   
That’s gonna hurt.

[HKSR 3,140]

50 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said:

Frig.   If we had a solid contract writer we could have said in more detail that if the Canucks ended up in the top 16 we give up our 1st rounder in 2021.   
That’s gonna hurt.

Huh? Why is it gonna hurt? We gave up the pick already.

[chilliwiggins 1,068]

6 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Huh? Why is it gonna hurt? We gave up the pick already.

Because if it was worded differently to say top 16 at season end in a normal season without covid 19 that would have meant the same thing as ( if the Canucks make the playoffs) and Tampa would have thought nothing different and agreed.  However we would not have had to give up the 2021 pick instead of the 2020 pick

Edited February 12 by chilliwiggins

[HKSR 3,140]

31 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said:

Because if it was worded differently to say top 16 at season end in a normal season without covid 19 that would have meant the same thing as ( if the Canucks make the playoffs) and Tampa would have thought nothing different and agreed.  However we would not have had to give up the 2021 pick instead of the 2020 pick

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I'm glad we gave up last year's pick and not this year as it looks like this year might be a lottery pick.

Edited February 12 by HKSR

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4 hours ago, chilliwiggins said:

Frig.   If we had a solid contract writer we could have said in more detail that if the Canucks ended up in the top 16 we give up our 1st rounder in 2021.   
That’s gonna hurt.

 

3 hours ago, chilliwiggins said:

Because if it was worded differently to say top 16 at season end in a normal season without covid 19 that would have meant the same thing as ( if the Canucks make the playoffs) and Tampa would have thought nothing different and agreed.  However we would not have had to give up the 2021 pick instead of the 2020 pick

You don't seem to be aware that the pick in the Miller deal has already gone to Tampa - who in turn traded that pick to New Jersey, along with Nolan Foote, for Blake Coleman.

New Jersey used that pick (the 20th overall in last summer's draft) to select Shakir Mukhamadullin - a KHL defenseman.

 

"That's gonna hurt" - as if the 2021 pick is still in play - makes no sense.

 

 

[flickyoursedin 2,449]

4 hours ago, chilliwiggins said:

Because if it was worded differently to say top 16 at season end in a normal season without covid 19 that would have meant the same thing as ( if the Canucks make the playoffs) and Tampa would have thought nothing different and agreed.  However we would not have had to give up the 2021 pick instead of the 2020 pick

I don’t understand it’s great that the pick was last years. Your saying if worded better we could have kept last years pick 20th while giving away this years which is sitting like top 5 if you look at winning percentage. I think I’d gladly give away last years while looking at what this pick could be. What would hurt is if we picked last year and knowing this year we didn’t have our pick while watching the boys struggle to get going all year long and see somebody else get our lottery pick.

[gurn 11,877]

 

13 minutes ago, oldnews said:

 

You don't seem to be aware that the pick in the Miller deal has already gone to Tampa - who in turn traded that pick to New Jersey, along with Nolan Foote, for Blake Coleman.

New Jersey used that pick (the 20th overall in last summer's draft) to select Shakir Mukhamadullin - a KHL defenseman.

 

"That's gonna hurt" - as if the 2021 pick is still in play - makes no sense.

 

 

I really, really wish people would use actual facts when attempting to slag the team.

This whole make something up, then bitch about it, is getting extremely annoying.

Don't like what Jim has done, fine by me; I've got a few issues with what he has done, myself.

However be truthful about it.

[oldnews 53,073]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

 

I really, really wish people would use actual facts when attempting to slag the team.

This whole make something up, then bitch about it, is getting extremely annoying.

Don't like what Jim has done, fine by me; I've got a few issues with what he has done, myself.

However be truthful about it.

It's this underlying wish/hope that the team fails - that I find annoying.

The constant hair-trigger hopes that things go awfully - so that the team can get rid of a whole range of whipping boys.

I'm not a big 'fan' of some of the players I defend - or all the moves that management makes - but I sure as hell am not going to run shade constantly at players like Virtanen, or Myers, or Edler - or whoever the hate-flavour-of-the-week is.

That's not 'team-player' material - it's childish me-first, counterproductive noise.  Being real, or critical of players - doesn't require going to the compulsive point a huge part of this market does - essentially constantly seeking to see failure - to satisfy a bent - a confirmation of personal dislike for particular players or management.  That is what rubs me the wrong way - and why I make a point of 'defending' our assets - imo there is nothing less prudent than devaluing your own assets.  Who really cares about CDC in that sense, but it's an entirely valid point regarding the broader media (reducing themselves to twittiots a lot of the time) and all the flake heat they produce around the team may not effect real world trade values, but it wears constantly on the young players who have to sit in on all those media scrums. Personally, I wouldn't be making them available - I'd have a media officer that manages the idiocy out of their days.

Edited February 12 by oldnews

[Me_ 6,600]

6 hours ago, oldnews said:

It's this underlying wish/hope that the team fails - that I find annoying.

The constant hair-trigger hopes that things go awfully - so that the team can get rid of a whole range of whipping boys.

I'm not a big 'fan' of some of the players I defend - or all the moves that management makes - but I sure as hell am not going to run shade constantly at players like Virtanen, or Myers, or Edler - or whoever the hate-flavour-of-the-week is.

That's not 'team-player' material - it's childish me-first, counterproductive noise.  Being real, or critical of players - doesn't require going to the compulsive point a huge part of this market does - essentially constantly seeking to see failure - to satisfy a bent - a confirmation of personal dislike for particular players or management.  That is what rubs me the wrong way - and why I make a point of 'defending' our assets - imo there is nothing less prudent than devaluing your own assets.  Who really cares about CDC in that sense, but it's an entirely valid point regarding the broader media (reducing themselves to twittiots a lot of the time) and all the flake heat they produce around the team may not effect real world trade values, but it wears constantly on the young players who have to sit in on all those media scrums. Personally, I wouldn't be making them available - I'd have a media officer that manages the idiocy out of their days.

When these false points are publicly repeated by fans calling in and radio hosts agreeing for sensationalization sake, and vice versa, that’s when oftentimes there are actual repercussions to such thinking.

 

I love this team. But that contingent of fans who do nothing but find fault is as annoying as a mosquito around an ear 24/7.

 

Edited February 13 by Me_

[aGENT 34,352]

15 minutes ago, Me_ said:

When these false points are publicly repeated by fans calling in and radio hosts agreeing for sensationalization sake, and vice versa, that’s when oftentimes there are actual repercussions to such thinking.

 

O love this team. But that contingent of fans who do nothing but find fault is as annoying as a mosquito around an ear 24/7.

THIS is the problem. And not just fans...I frequently hear/see a member of the media announce some rumour/theory or another and then a second media member simply repeats it as though a media member thinking out loud is an actual source and now it's legitimized 'fact'.

 

Then the fans pick up on it and spread the 'gospel according to TMZ'.

 

I