Nils Hoglander | #21 | LW

[GoldenAlien]

 

[DownUndaCanuck]

Just another reason why you've got to use top picks on pure skill and try and develop the rest. I understand the reason behind our high picks on guys like Podkolskin and Virtanen, but they don't have the hockey IQ of someone like Petey or Hoglander. Yes, you can't teach size, but we're finding the hard way that you can't teach offensive IQ easily either.

 

Looks more and more every day like Nils might burst onto the scene this year, I do wish we used our high picks on more guys like Hoglander but fair play to the scouts for seeking out the high-end skill of Petersson and Hoglander who arguably should have gone much higher. 

 

If the kid sticks on Horvat's line, he probably won't play any PP or PK minutes but might get 10-12 mins depending on how he goes, and might really surprise some of the weaker Canadian defences. I'm hoping for a 30 point pace but you never know - his playmaking might bring out the playoff scorer in Horvat that Eriksson managed to bury deep down.

[guntrix]

Hoglander is good. Really good. Hope they give him a chance to stick in the top-6. He certainly looks like he belongs. 

[theo5789]

1 hour ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Just another reason why you've got to use top picks on pure skill and try and develop the rest. I understand the reason behind our high picks on guys like Podkolskin and Virtanen, but they don't have the hockey IQ of someone like Petey or Hoglander. Yes, you can't teach size, but we're finding the hard way that you can't teach offensive IQ easily either.

 

Looks more and more every day like Nils might burst onto the scene this year, I do wish we used our high picks on more guys like Hoglander but fair play to the scouts for seeking out the high-end skill of Petersson and Hoglander who arguably should have gone much higher. 

 

If the kid sticks on Horvat's line, he probably won't play any PP or PK minutes but might get 10-12 mins depending on how he goes, and might really surprise some of the weaker Canadian defences. I'm hoping for a 30 point pace but you never know - his playmaking might bring out the playoff scorer in Horvat that Eriksson managed to bury deep down.

Assuming Hoglander will be a success, there is always the risk of landing say a Goldobin, Ho-Sang, Schroeder, Shinkaruk, etc. They all looked to have promising offense, but the rest wasn't so easily taken care of.

 

And who's to say that Jake and Vasili don't have their pure skills in different ways. Jake had like 40+ goals in his junior seasons and speed to burn for a big forward. Vasili has a strong two way game, similarly to JT Miller. Would you not have drafted Miller because he isn't the flashy offensive type?

 

Players progress differently. Development is just as important as the draft itself. This is why we have shifted towards character being an important factor over whatever skills they may have pretty much since Benning took over. 

Edited January 8, 2021 by theo5789

[The Teddy Bear]

Hi, second post in this forums.

I always have thought that this Höglander guy is special, ever since the first time I saw him in a game, which was in AIK in the second tier swedish league since many years ago. 

Since then I have never seen him go through a game without doing something that will stick to my head, and the most times its on the positive side. I remember the first time I saw him, and understood he was very young, I googled him and did it now again. Got this list out of the records of the allsvenskan league. Youngest players that have scored in the second Swedish tier league since 2005, År is ofcourse age and dagar days.

 

Spelare                         Klubb                  Ålder
Nils Höglander              AIK                     16 år, 8 dagar
Rasmus Andersson      Malmö                16 år, 16 dagar
Lukas Wernblom           MODO               16 år, 73 dagar
Tom Hedberg                Leksand             16 år, 164 dagar
Filip Forsberg                Leksand             16 år, 199 dagar
Mikael Backlund           Västerås             16 år, 230 dagar
David Pastrnak             Södertälje           16 år, 235 dagar
Jacob de la Rose          Leksand             16 år, 236 dagar
William Nylander           Södertälje          16 år, 289 dagar

 

 

This is a very intriguing list as he is about to become 7 out of 9 to reach the NHL. No doubt about the skill level that is required to reach a mens league at 15 is elite at that age. Funny thing is that number 3 and 4 on the list is 20 and 21 years old and undrafted. Both just about to battle themselves into SHL lineups this year.....

 

 

 

 

[Smashian Kassian]

4 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Just another reason why you've got to use top picks on pure skill and try and develop the rest. I understand the reason behind our high picks on guys like Podkolskin and Virtanen, but they don't have the hockey IQ of someone like Petey or Hoglander. Yes, you can't teach size, but we're finding the hard way that you can't teach offensive IQ easily either.

 

Looks more and more every day like Nils might burst onto the scene this year, I do wish we used our high picks on more guys like Hoglander but fair play to the scouts for seeking out the high-end skill of Petersson and Hoglander who arguably should have gone much higher. 

 

If the kid sticks on Horvat's line, he probably won't play any PP or PK minutes but might get 10-12 mins depending on how he goes, and might really surprise some of the weaker Canadian defences. I'm hoping for a 30 point pace but you never know - his playmaking might bring out the playoff scorer in Horvat that Eriksson managed to bury deep down.

 

Lumping Podkolzin in with Virtanen on that critique is a bit of a leap.

 

Hockey smarts are part of Vasili's game. He's a very good playmaker, quickly finding the open man and making heads up plays. Jake doesn't have his playmaking abilty. Podkolzin's understanding on the defensive end is also much further ahead. If anything Podkolzin probably plays too conservatively as far as a balance between defense & offense, but its not a knock on Podkolzin's ability to make plays.

 

He'll be able to play with players like Pettersson because he has the smarts to be a great compliment, like Alex Burrows with the Twins, Kunitz with Crosby. Jake doesn't have that. 

 

 

[Smashian Kassian]

Horvat didn't hesitate to say he thinks Hoglander is ready. 

 

Doesn't seem like there is any doubt now. This has turned out to be best case scenario. 

 

[Beary Sweet]

Green playing Hogz with Pearson and Bo early in training camp has been a blessing. He’s showcased his bonifide skill set and doesn’t look rusty at all considering the games he’s playing in the Swedish League. Hoping for the best for him and that he makes the team!

[StiffStick33]

For those that have watched his games back in the SHL, was he on any of the powerplay units?

 

Say he makes the team, plays well, any chance he might get get some time on pp2 where virtanen plays? 

[The Teddy Bear]

10 minutes ago, StiffStick33 said:

For those that have watched his games back in the SHL, was he on any of the powerplay units?

 

Say he makes the team, plays well, any chance he might get get some time on pp2 where virtanen plays? 

Yes, he was on the second PP unit in Rögle. Prolly would be the guy that control the 2nd PP unit, but lets see if mgmt figured that out yet.

[elvis15]

It's not all roses:

We'll find out soon enough, it sounds like he's going to stick around.

[Brad Marchand]

Does anyone know if Hoglander has expressed any preference to how he wants his name pronounced? I've keep saying his name with the umlaut 'ö', but I sense that most people will call him 'Hog'-lander.

[WeneedLumme]

17 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Horvat didn't hesitate to say he thinks Hoglander is ready. 

 

Doesn't seem like there is any doubt now. This has turned out to be best case scenario. 

 

Horvat is a good captain, which means he is not likely to say anything that might damage a rookie's confidence. While I am certainly not saying that Hogs is not ready, you need to take Bo's statement with a grain of salt.

[Smashian Kassian]

2 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

Horvat is a good captain, which means he is not likely to say anything that might damage a rookie's confidence. While I am certainly not saying that Hogs is not ready, you need to take Bo's statement with a grain of salt.

 

There's ways of being nice to a player without the assertiveness of pro-claiming he's ready. I mean Erik Gudbranson was nice in saying Palmu would have a 'long career' but never said he was immediately ready.

 

And considering its Bo's potential linemate I put a bit more stock into him saying it so definitively.

 

[GoldenAlien]

We're just days away from moving this thread to Current Roster

Edited January 11, 2021 by GoldenAlien

[Rush17]

Hoglander article Sweden

 

https://hockeynews.se/articles/17910/

 

Need translation, my chrome did it for me

[BCNate]

On 1/8/2021 at 9:24 PM, elvis15 said:

It's not all roses:

We'll find out soon enough, it sounds like he's going to stick around.

I'd imagine that he will stick around, but we may see him and Jake swap roles a few times as the season progresses.

[aGENT]

22 minutes ago, BCNate said:

I'd imagine that he will stick around, but we may see him and Jake swap roles a few times as the season progresses.

Him, Jake, Gaudette etc. Yeah, I think we'll see a lot of movement throughout the season.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

On 1/9/2021 at 9:27 AM, Brad Marchand said:

Does anyone know if Hoglander has expressed any preference to how he wants his name pronounced? I've keep saying his name with the umlaut 'ö', but I sense that most people will call him 'Hog'-lander.

I heard him interviewed and he doesn’t seem to care too much how how people say his name.
 

He very patiently attempted to teach Canadian interviewers the Swedish pronunciation, but they couldn’t really get it right, and eventually he basically just said “close enough” and didn’t try to correct them any more. 
 

I’d imagine he’d prefer something that sounds closer to huh-glander or hoag-lander, instead of hog-lander/hawg-lander, but ultimately, he doesn’t care too much how people say his name, so long as they’re saying it while he plays hockey in the NHL.

[Gurn]

39 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I heard him interviewed and he doesn’t seem to care too much how how people say his name.
 

He very patiently attempted to teach Canadian interviewers the Swedish pronunciation, but they couldn’t really get it right, and eventually he basically just said “close enough” and didn’t try to correct them any more. 
 

I’d imagine he’d prefer something that sounds closer to huh-glander or hoag-lander, instead of hog-lander/hawg-lander, but ultimately, he doesn’t care too much how people say his name, so long as they’re saying it while he plays hockey in the NHL.

But how does Petey say Hoglanders name?