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After watching Miller take a hooking penalty tonight, it occurred to me that it feels like he takes quite a few penalties. Sure enough when I look at net penalties/60 (drawn-taken), he's 2nd last on the team of anyone with 10+ games this year at -0.71. While Miller does take quite a few penalties, he particularly doesn't draw many, being 3rd last among forwards with 10+ games in that stat.

 

Compared to last year, I was surprised to find that the difference wasn't actually huge, but Miller was 11th out of 17 forwards with at least 10 games last year in net penalties/60 at -0.17, which is still better.

 

For some context, the top three forwards on the team in this stat in 2019-20 were Pettersson, Leivo, and Sutter, in that order and this year so far, it's Boyd, Pettersson, and Vesey (Sutter is 4th). Roussel has been dead last for both of the last two years.

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3 hours ago, -AJ- said:

After watching Miller take a hooking penalty tonight, it occurred to me that it feels like he takes quite a few penalties. Sure enough when I look at net penalties/60 (drawn-taken), he's 2nd last on the team of anyone with 10+ games this year at -0.71. While Miller does take quite a few penalties, he particularly doesn't draw many, being 3rd last among forwards with 10+ games in that stat.

 

Compared to last year, I was surprised to find that the difference wasn't actually huge, but Miller was 11th out of 17 forwards with at least 10 games last year in net penalties/60 at -0.17, which is still better.

 

For some context, the top three forwards on the team in this stat in 2019-20 were Pettersson, Leivo, and Sutter, in that order and this year so far, it's Boyd, Pettersson, and Vesey (Sutter is 4th). Roussel has been dead last for both of the last two years.

He's definitely a high-risk/high reward-type player. But, I don't think there's anyone else on the squad that brings it like he does, and, I get sick of hearing Corey Hirsch dog him every week because he shows emotion after making a mistake. Contrast that with what happened tonight after Demko gave up that 3rd or 4th goal ( I forget which), and clearly "showed emotion" in frustration towards his teammates, and gets a pass. But, Miller does it out of frustration at himself and people want to run him out of town. I think he's on the verge of being the Canucks best 2nd line C since Kesler if he doesn't get traded within the next year. Yes, I know EP centres the 2nd line (when healthy), but, hopefully, the next head coach will realise he's a legitimate sniper wasting away at C and will move him back to the wing. 

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7 hours ago, dpn1 said:

I was playing the draft simulation and it has us picking at #7 at this point.  Maybe it is our year to get the #1 pick this off-season.  I would love too be able to take Luke Hughes.B)

Wouldn’t it just be typical Canucks luck to get 1 OA the year, nobody knows for sure who really is the best player available. 
Nevertheless lets hope it happens, as we are in need of more talent coming through... 

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2 hours ago, Fakename70 said:

He's definitely a high-risk/high reward-type player. But, I don't think there's anyone else on the squad that brings it like he does, and, I get sick of hearing Corey Hirsch dog him every week because he shows emotion after making a mistake. Contrast that with what happened tonight after Demko gave up that 3rd or 4th goal ( I forget which), and clearly "showed emotion" in frustration towards his teammates, and gets a pass. But, Miller does it out of frustration at himself and people want to run him out of town. I think he's on the verge of being the Canucks best 2nd line C since Kesler if he doesn't get traded within the next year. Yes, I know EP centres the 2nd line (when healthy), but, hopefully, the next head coach will realise he's a legitimate sniper wasting away at C and will move him back to the wing. 

Don't mind him showing emotion but too often he just stops playing and whines. That's not ok and there are multiple examples of this each game. So while loving the trade last year - obviously - a bit more mixed feelings now, especially since I'm not sure his peak aligns with the contending window.

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3 hours ago, Fakename70 said:

He's definitely a high-risk/high reward-type player. But, I don't think there's anyone else on the squad that brings it like he does, and, I get sick of hearing Corey Hirsch dog him every week because he shows emotion after making a mistake. Contrast that with what happened tonight after Demko gave up that 3rd or 4th goal ( I forget which), and clearly "showed emotion" in frustration towards his teammates, and gets a pass. But, Miller does it out of frustration at himself and people want to run him out of town. I think he's on the verge of being the Canucks best 2nd line C since Kesler if he doesn't get traded within the next year. Yes, I know EP centres the 2nd line (when healthy), but, hopefully, the next head coach will realise he's a legitimate sniper wasting away at C and will move him back to the wing. 

I do love Miller and actually think he's being underrated this year overall, but it's an interesting way to see his frustration play out statistically.

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5 hours ago, J-P said:

Don't mind him showing emotion but too often he just stops playing and whines. That's not ok and there are multiple examples of this each game. So while loving the trade last year - obviously - a bit more mixed feelings now, especially since I'm not sure his peak aligns with the contending window.

I'd beperfectly fine with them moving Miller for a tidy return. I'm getting tired of his attitude

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Miller appears to be a miserable SOB,  I imagine he would be difficult to be around. Sure, sometimes he tries and goes to war so to speak, but there have been many times he gave up on backchecking, getting back to save a goal. He's made a lot of bad mistakes. I agree that if VAN could get a good return for him, they should trade him. There needs to be more positivity around this team. 

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6 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

we have 3 good centers on this team and JT is one of them. miller would be perfect mentoring podkolzin on his nhl career. i'ld rather see the canucks find a physical winger to compliment petey and boeser than trying to find a center who can carry and drive a line. i'ld much rather see us ice 3 scoring lines and 1 checking line than 2 and 2. just my opinion.

I think we'd need to get a very good 4C to make this work, as that guy will be needed to take a lot of the defensive draws. We don't have that guy anymore and we might be able to get away with some of the size we have now in MacEwan and Graovac. 

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On 2/1/2020 at 5:17 PM, Mathew Barzal said:

Miller is kind of what I hoped Goldobin would turn into. A guy who's production masks the fact that he has like 5 brutal turnovers a game. 

 

Miller honestly makes so many bone headed plays but his work ethic and offensive contributions make up for it and then some.

I called out his recklessness with the puck before it was cool. Where's my hipster card?

 

EDIT: Also, real Kesler vibes from this guy. He's clearly a sarcastic, overly-emotional douchebag but man can he play the game of hockey.

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1 hour ago, Mathew Barzal said:

I called out his recklessness with the puck before it was cool. Where's my hipster card?

 

EDIT: Also, real Kesler vibes from this guy. He's clearly a sarcastic, overly-emotional douchebag but man can he play the game of hockey.

I absolutely get Kesler vibes. Hyper-competitive and real emotional.

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15 hours ago, Fakename70 said:

He's definitely a high-risk/high reward-type player. But, I don't think there's anyone else on the squad that brings it like he does, and, I get sick of hearing Corey Hirsch dog him every week because he shows emotion after making a mistake. Contrast that with what happened tonight after Demko gave up that 3rd or 4th goal ( I forget which), and clearly "showed emotion" in frustration towards his teammates, and gets a pass. But, Miller does it out of frustration at himself and people want to run him out of town. I think he's on the verge of being the Canucks best 2nd line C since Kesler if he doesn't get traded within the next year. Yes, I know EP centres the 2nd line (when healthy), but, hopefully, the next head coach will realise he's a legitimate sniper wasting away at C and will move him back to the wing. 

Just read about some of the stuff Hirsch was saying, just some awful takes. Thinks that we don’t win with guys like that? We finally get a player with some fire and he wants to trade it away lol. Unreal. 

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2 hours ago, Kenny Blankenship said:

Just read about some of the stuff Hirsch was saying, just some awful takes. Thinks that we don’t win with guys like that? We finally get a player with some fire and he wants to trade it away lol. Unreal. 

I take anything he says with a grain of salt. He was an 8th round pick in 1991; played in the NHL mostly as a back up and had a NHL career save percentage of .896. Only lasted 3 years as a goalie coach before moving on to being a sports analyst. Has not been stellar in any of these incarnations IMO.

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4 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said:

I called out his recklessness with the puck before it was cool. Where's my hipster card?

 

EDIT: Also, real Kesler vibes from this guy. He's clearly a sarcastic, overly-emotional douchebag but man can he play the game of hockey.

I don't get the douchebag statement, but he sure has proven that he is a player that everyone wants on their team during playoffs.

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I wouldn’t judge a guy on this season. The whole year was a mess - professionally, and personally. Everybody is struggling with the craziness of this pandemic in different ways.
 

Miller watched his former team win the Cup, then got stuck in a country he couldn’t leave to see his family, then has his main line mate struggle for a 1/3 of the season, then miss the rest of the season. And the team has flat-out sucked. If he’s not happy about the situation, then good - he shouldn’t be.

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16 hours ago, Kenny Blankenship said:

Just read about some of the stuff Hirsch was saying, just some awful takes. Thinks that we don’t win with guys like that? We finally get a player with some fire and he wants to trade it away lol. Unreal. 

fire is good if channeled the right way.  I don't think the way Miller and Kesler channel it is healthy for a team.

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17 hours ago, stawns said:

fire is good if channeled the right way.  I don't think the way Miller and Kesler channel it is healthy for a team.

You love that 'fire' if you're winning; hate it if you're losing.  It's far from black and white.

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On 5/14/2021 at 3:18 PM, -AJ- said:

I absolutely get Kesler vibes. Hyper-competitive and real emotional.

Rather have that than a guy who doesn't give a $hit ie: Edler. Edler is one of our worst defencemen this season next to Chatfield. We've seen Edler mess up time and time again, he's never shown any emotion like he cares about the game. Just the same stupid look skating back to the bench

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