oldnews Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Could it not be like what we did with Pouliot last year. Don’t qualify so you can sign him for cheaper than his likely arb settlement? Yes, that's probably the only way something with Hutton would get done - not qualifying him is the right decision imo - he hasn't lived up to his late deal at 2.8/yr. The only advantage he'd have over veteran UFA placeholders is that he's younger and if his confidence and work ethic can remain on an improving trajectory he may perform as well as them, but the team also wants to integrate Hughes, and eventually Juolevi into the lineup, while already having a young, and although aggressive, relatively undersized Stecher in the lineup. So the counterpoint of adding a veteran with a heavier game is that they may be a more stabilizing partner than Hutton - or could form a legitimate shutdown partner for a guy like Tanev - while with Hutton it's somewhat of an uncertainty. I'm fine with either option really, but Hutton hasn't earned term or anything near 4 million, so unless he's realistic, it's the veteran placeholder option imo - and that may actually make them more flexible and competitive at the same time in the present, while assuming a guy can be signed for short term, leaving the opening for Juolevi in due course. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 6 hours ago, The 5th Line said: ??? Couldn't management forsee this possible scenario and move him earlier in the season? You're telling me a 26 year old D-man who can handle up to 20 minutes a night and makes just 2.8 can't get us anything? Do you think he won't get signed by anybody if he hits free agency? Why is he rumored to get close to 4 million dollars if he has no value? Hutton has been available for a while and no bites from around the league. The numbers show that every pairing he was on, he made worse. That is opposed to Stecher who carried him, and made every pairing better. Arbitration is a crap shoot, and the fact he played a lot of minutes last year (due to injuries and not merit) work against the team. There is no option to walk away from a crappy arbitration award. We only need a placeholder for Juolevi anyways, so a physical cheap 3rd pairing D is fine for us now. Hutton is good enough to find work in the league as a 3rd pairing guy, probably close to his current salary. It isn’t impossible his agent circles back to us when he sees the options out there. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drofssalg Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Not sure if there is confusion or not on the Hutton situation but since no one else spelled it out clearly I will take a shot at it. If Hutton is qualified, he only has to be qualified at 100% of his current salary. We can all agree that Hutton is not worth 2.8 (see Stecher at 2.3). The issue with being qualified is Hutton has arbitration rights. If he does not accept his qualifying offer (which I suspect he would not) he will take it to arbitration. Rick's comment about the sub 4.4 million is based on an arbitrator award and the walk away limits in the CBA. If the assumption is that Hutton will elect arbitration (which he would and not the team), then an award of less than 4.4 the team cannot walk away (CBA rules). This is the root of the issue - the Canucks qualify him and he takes them to arbitration then the Canucks are trapped to a contract. This is why Hutton has no trade value - the new team would be in the same boat. Hutton has to go UFA to get signed to a contract with proper value. He is not worth 2.8 (minimum qualifying offer) to 4.4 (max can't walk away arbitrator award). For those that want - Capfriendly lays out the arbitration rules very clearly. The other issue is that you cannot negotiate an amount less than the current salary when the player is an RFA. So the minimum the Canucks would sign Hutton at is 2.8 if they qualify him and he agrees. I think the Canucks would like to see Hutton more at the Stecher price point but the reality is they need change on the D and unfortunately Hutton is a victim of that circumstance. Once Edler was signed that was the last of Hutton. It is sad he has no trade value but that is not a slight to the team or to Hutton - it is a function of his current contract, the CBA and the likely award of an arbitrator. Plus if you are another GM - you are not giving up an asset when you can try to get the player for free. I would not be surprised to see Hutton sign on with Ottawa (home town) for 3 years at 2.25 to 2.75. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, combover said: So a player that the gm apparently can’t trade and has no value won’t qualify because he’s so crappy that in arbitration will award him 4mill...... Arbitration usually equals market value And short term. Far less risk than a 30 year old ufa vet sign for 6 years at 6 mill cough eriksdone. If Jim says so the cdc must defend and agree. If you knew how arbitration works in this situation you wouldn't be saying that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just let him walk. Let's see if we can sign Andrei Burakovsky with that 4M we would need to use on Hutton. . Sign one of Jamie Benn or Patrick Nemeth as a suitable replacement at a much cheaper cost. That's probably the wisest ways of handling it. This off season is presenting new opportunities so let's get creative and improve the team in new ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Have a hard time agreeing with the arbitration # of 4.0M + just because we don't have the depth and therefore put the minutes in when key injuries happened. His minutes should be judged when the D are relatively healthy to get a fair scope of a players value, not connect to the teams current depth situation. He's also a minus 21,22,and 23 in 3 of the last four years which is the highest overall of our D that have been with us for the same period. With Hughes slated to take the 2nd pairing minutes, 3M for 3 years would be a reasonable contract for a good 3rd pairing depth guy who could jump into the top 4 when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 35 minutes ago, oldnews said: Have you watched the Canucks the past few years? If you have, well so has the rest of the league - and their pro-scouts. Hutton's struggles have been so patently obvious that no one in the business could have whiffed on it. It's no secret they were willing to part with Hutton - so do tell us which takers Benning 'should have' dealt him to, and for what, if you're such astute armchair GM. High sodium content. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Duodenum said: ? Tampa got 10 NHL regulars not including any of their top 6 picks from the drafts from 2008-2013. Would've been 11 but Nesterov went back to the KHL. The Blackhawks also selected 10 regulars without any high picks. The Canucks picked 4, including Connauton who sucks and Hodgson who isn't in the league anymore due to medical reasons. I give u maybe 5 or 6 of the 10 you are talking about including kucherov.. most of them is at around 100 games played since drafted.. hardly considered an nhl regular. And you are comparing 08-13 on Tampa bay who's competing for lottery pick year after year to a team competing for the cup. With all the prospect available I'm sure they can afford to pick some player off the board. I think it's more fair if you compare teams drafting period when they were at the top of their league. Vs comparing drafting of team that's tanking. Coz if that's the case Benning drafting vs Tampa bay drafting from 08-13 vs 15-19 Tampa bay is way better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Maketherightmove Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Rush17 said: Gross. JB is desperate to make the playoffs and we are going to see a couple of over payments to very mediocre players in the next week. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Just let him walk. Let's see if we can sign Andrei Burakovsky with that 4M we would need to use on Hutton. . Sign one of Jamie Benn or Patrick Nemeth as a suitable replacement at a much cheaper cost. That's probably the wisest ways of handling it. This off season is presenting new opportunities so let's get creative and improve the team in new ways. Jamie would be a tad pricey in a trade, and I'm not sure how he is on defense. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 And canucks twitter is freaking out because we won't bring back a 5-6 defenceman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) If Hutton was going to be pushed down to the third pairing anyways, then we'd be better off saying goodbye and going with Sautner at a third of the cost. Edited June 25, 2019 by hlinkas wrister 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said: Gross. JB is desperate to make the playoffs and we are going to see a couple of over payments to very mediocre players in the next week. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, oldnews said: Solid contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, riffraff said: High sodium content. sodium begets sodium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, Maketherightmove said: Solid contribution. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: Do you think Myers is worth $7+ over 7 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philthy Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Outside of Edler, everyone was mediocre or a dumpster fire on our back end last year. I'm ready for a new corp that's not fragile and shows up.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Hutton is a really nice guy, most likely a great teammate, but he is not worth anything near $4 million. He's not even worth his current salary at $2.8 million. Losing him for nothing doesn't mean much if we can simply replace him with a UFA like Nemeth who plays a much heavier game, is a better 3rd pairing guy who can rotate with Juolevi and will come at a more reasonable cap rate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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