Popular Post Dixon Ward Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) Over the past few days I have been shocked at the local and national media and the fans for the negative pile-on of Jim Benning. He has made some bad moves, yes. He has made some bad trades, yes. Name 1 GM who hasn't. He inherited a team that had Brendan Gaunce as it's only possible prospect who may ever make the NHL. The drafting of the 10 years before him was the worst in the league. He had aging superstars that he was not allowed to trade. The owner stepped in when he did try to clear out some FA's for picks(Hamhuis). Thanks to the stupid NHL lottery system he has fallen backwards in every draft he has picked in. He had Bo Horvat and a bunch of old guys with NMC's. Under him we have done the following: Brought along Horvat, Boeser, and Peterson into an enviable young core. Developed Markstrom into a number 1 and Demko to the point of challenging and Dipietro looking like a great future option. Picked up Baertschi, Granlund, Leivo, Stecher, Goldobin to attempt to fill in the missing generation of Canuck draft picks. WE have a great prospect pool quickly moving to nhl readiness Defence with realistice chance at NHL Hughes(Top 2 D) this year Juolevi(Top 3 D) later this year Sautner (4-6 D) ready Brisebois(4-6 D) ready Woo (Top 4) 1-2 years Tryamkin (Top 4) 1 year Rafferty (4-6 D) close Rathbone(2nd pair) 2 years Utunen (5-7th D) 2-3 years Forwards with realistic chance at NHL Gaudette (top 9) now Podkolzin (top 6) 2 years Lind (2-3 Line) 1-2 years Hoglander (2nd line) 1-2 years Madden (2-3 line) 2 years Gadjovich (3-4th line) 2 years Lockwood (depth forward) 2 years Goaltenders with a realistic chance at the NHL Dipietro (Starter) 4 years Kielly (backup) 2 years He has now added JT Miller who fits perfectly in our top 6. So we have great long term depth in quality goaltenders. We have 4-5 our our long term top 6 forwards. We have some excellent bottom 6 forwards. We have some quality Defensemen and are shopping for FA's. From where he started and with the restrictions he has had, I think he deserves much better coverage. Chiarelli started with McDavid, RNH and Draisatl and destroyed the team. Shanaplan is now falling apart despite having much better luck in the lottery and having the top FA centre available for years fall in their laps. They have terrible defence and are losing 2 of the ones they have. They have 6 million in space to improve their blueline and signe 10mil+ Marner after losing out in the 1st round. They are about to have 35$million committed to 3 forwards for the next 7 years. Anyway, I know I will probably get skewered. No I am not Jim Benning's biggest fan. I think he has made some bad trades. I just don't get the overwhelming $h!tstorm that the media and fans seem to want to inflict on him. Edited June 25, 2019 by Dixon Ward 11 10 14 2 63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 @Dixon Ward Thanks for taking the time to write such a well thought out post. 8 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 He's a big boy he can take it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Ward Posted June 25, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Maketherightmove said: He's a big boy he can take it. I am not saying he can't, I just don't get all the hate. He has done more good than bad by far imho. 1 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 It's easy to be critical and it gets hits on social media. It's the nature of the media market. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDragon23 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) I agree. The media is feasting on it because they like to cause a s$@* storm about anything Canuck related controversy. Unfortunately our fan base is a good chunk of immature whiny adolescents who believe any garbage the media spiels. I think JB is doing just fine. Edited June 25, 2019 by BlueDragon23 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dixon Ward said: I am not saying he can't, I just don't get all the hate. He has done more good than bad by far imho. It's not about Benning, of course he can take it. I just get sick of the vitriol. Did anybody hear Patterson ranting on about the type-o on the Miller trade. SN Trade Tracker had it down as a conditional 1st while wherever JPat was looking had it as a conditional pick. I find myself tuning out from local media 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 if we go back to JBs biggest blunder the Eriksson signing this fan base asked for it I'm sure many includin ownership watched him perform with the Sedins and applauded the signing at the time. hindsight is a biotch. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VegasCanuck Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Most of the negative is about the one trade. Here's my take on the trade: If Miller was a RFA, and we signed him to a offer sheet for 5.25 million, the compensation would be, oddly enough, a 1st and a 3rd. This is as per Capfriendly: https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-calculator So, we got a guy that we value, who is under contract at a reasonable rate for the next 4 years, with cap certainty, for pretty much EXACTLY what it would have cost us to Offer sheet him. I believe putting a goalie in was to make contracts match and to give us more room to work through to free agency, in case additional opportunities arise. So, I would say that this trade, regardless of all the bellyaching, at the end of the day, is fair, established value, and considering the low cap, its the type of player and cost certainty, that other teams at the draft would have also been looking for. I've yet to hear ONE person who would be qualified to ACTUALLY run an NHL team, give him negative feedback on the move. All the negative press has been from guys who get paid if they can get more people reading their stories, and bad press gets them more of that! 4 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dixon Ward said: and a bunch of old guys with NMC's. Only two guys had NMCs when Benning was hired. Those two old guys were in the top 10 in points in the first season he was on the job. Both those guys are likely HHOFers and played their entire career as a Canuck. Frankly they deserve more respect. Edited June 25, 2019 by NewbieCanuckFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roberts Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) jim benning is the reason we didn't win the Stanley Cup it's true (2011) Edited June 25, 2019 by Roberts 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CreamCheese Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) Off the top of my head here's why GMJB get's hate, i'm sure i'm missing some... He signed Loui Erikkson to a 6x6 deal He signed Brandon 4th line Sutter to a 5 year deal at huge money He Drafted Virtnanen over Nylander and Ehlers (both of who CDC basically unanimously wanted) Traded away McCann for Erik Pylon Gudbranson Drafted Juolevi over Tkachuk (everybody wanted Tkachuk) Signed Beagle and Roussell to 4 year deals to join the Sea of Granlunds Signed Schaller.... Who? Now he's traded away a potential lottery pick for a minor upgrade to Leivo. Am I missing anything? Edited June 25, 2019 by CreamCheese 2 2 2 16 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nucker 67 Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Benning has made some tough decisions lately. Selecting Podkolzin and trading for Miller. But these are both very good moves that will pay off. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Johnny Torts Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 He doesn't deserve all the hate and negativity. He's doing great. What we have now, minus Bo, is all a product of him. This is his build and I hope he sees this through. Doesn't get any credit. People forgot we just unloaded a pile of pucks for a 20 goal scorer in TP. That being said, it is crucial that he adds 1 top 4, 1 top 6 D and a 27-35 goal scoring winger. Whether its trade or FA. They have to be hardworking character guys that will compete every night like this team does. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, CreamCheese said: Off the top of my head here's why GMJB get's hate, i'm sure i'm missing some... He signed Loui Erikkson to a 6x6 deal He signed Brandon 4th line Sutter to a 5 year deal at huge money He Drafted Virtnanen over Nylander and Ehlers (both of who CDC basically unanimously wanted) Traded away McCann for Erik Pylon Gudbranson Drafted Juolevi over Tkachuk (everybody wanted Tkachuk) Signed Beagle and Roussell to 4 year deals to join the Sea of Granlunds Signed Schaller.... Who? Now he's traded away a potential lottery pick for a minor upgrade to Leivo. Am I missing anything? Now tell us how you really feel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wildwood12 Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 The media calls Dubas in Toronto a genius GM. He gives away a number one pick in the draft because of Cap issues. He will have 3 players making over 33 million. And he doesn’t have enough money left in his cap to pay for a proper defence! He is going to run out of number one picks to give away to sign players. Whose the dummy. 2 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Haters gonna hate. Benning has given the nay-sayers plenty of ammunition to use - especially during the first couple of years where he was given the impossible task of keeping our team a playoff team. Those same people conveniently ignore the fact he has restocked the cupboards with talent and is one or two moves away from making this team a serious playoff team again. They can say all they want - and they will quietly fade into archive history once this team is finished it's rebuild in a year or two. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, BlueDragon23 said: I agree. The media is feasting on it because they like to cause a s$@* storm about anything Canuck controversy. Unfortunately our fan base is a good chuck of immature whiny adolescents who believe any garbage the media spiels. I think JB is doing just fine. Immature man children who "act" like immature whiny adolescents- fixed it for you 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tystick Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Thank you. He's not even close to a bad GM. In fact, he's been very measured and consistent with his planning and execution. Considering Vancouver was his first gig, he's been quite impressive IMO. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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