Johnny Torts Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Here are some of my many questions surrounding Goldy: 1. Does he work hard? Coach Green says he's really trying, and listens. 2. He's 23, He played 38 games the year prior to last, and 63 games last year. Are we ready to give up on him? This one kills me because last year was his first full-ish year and like many first year players outside the Van-City microscope, they struggle from time to time. I mean, the kid DID have 8 G and 6 A in the 38 games he played prior to last year which was without EP40. He does not actually have 4 full years of experience in the NHL. He had 63 Games last year, half season the year prior and not much besides that. 2015-2016: 9 NHL Games with SJS 2016-2017: 2 Nhl Games with SJS, 2 With VAN 3. Does he have a spot on this team? I think Goldy has just as much of a spot as JV. 4. Speaking of JV, who do you think is closer to breaking out and becoming a top 6 stud? They are different players, and have different issues. Jake needs to use his frame more and Goldy needs to let go of the puck quicker. Plain and simple. That's how cut and dry their situations are when I watch them play every night. There have been instances where we see them doing this, which makes us hungrier for that version of them. The Breakout: Jake uses straight line speed and gets the puck into the O-Zone. Goldobin makes some very nice dekes to get into the O-Zone. Please Goldy, shoot the puck or use the playmaking ability we've seen to make a pass. Don't hold on to it for that long. I see Kapanen in Goldy next year. I feel the issues surrounding him are minimal, and if he's coachable, they can be fixed. Im talking video, drills, or maybe even puck handling classes if he really cant give up the puck a second faster. (funny enough, when I looked Kasperi up, they have a similar GP history, and a similar stat line, Kapanen with the edge of course) Let the community know what your thoughts on these players are! Go Canucks Go! We have such a passionate fan base but lets give it to JB for stealing Podkolzin and Hoglander at the draft, and adding a top-6 player to our roster! With what we have now in Petey and Brock and Quinn and Bo etc, we have to actively start trying to win, because all the pieces are there, or hopefully will be after FA & trade. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RowdyCanuck Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 I think Jake all the way....I think if Green leaves him with Bo for ten game atleast we will see..Sutter does Jake no favors. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post *Buzzsaw* Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Jake Virtanen is a far more valuable player than Goldobin. He is exactly the type of player who shines in the playoffs. Canucks need him. Not that I am all for rejecting Goldy.... I think the Canucks should give him one more try this year... if he doesn't sign in the KHL instead. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I'd love to see them reach their max potential. Jake I still have a ton of hope for and think he needs to be utilized different and given more time with better players. Goldy...I just don't see it. Too soft and continually makes such bad plays. He had that 10 game window where I thought he was getting it but then Green just pretty much shut him down for the year. At this point I'd be happy to see him packaged for for picks / D man etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I am way past the point of done with Goldobin. If we can get anything at all for him, we need to jump on it. Virtanen is developing just fine. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post naslund.is.king Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Who needs Goldobin when you have Podkolzin Id be pissed if they gave up on Virtanen so early 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) I think the organization has shown great patience with both players. With Jake, most of us knew he was going to be an NHL player in some capacity - but we also all wanted him to live up to his draft position. It is just so frustrating to see his slow progress with all those skills, and as long as we forget his draft position I truly think he should be an important part of this team. I have always believed his ceiling to be an elite 3rd liner like Raffi Torres for us, and I still believe that today. (Though if he did have a breakout year, I am happy to be wrong). Goldy is an enigma. He has obvious skill, but he just hasn't absorbed the "other" things he is being taught very well. Before he was benched permanently, I actually thought I saw improvement there. I am really cheering for this guy, but I fear he may have limited opportunities to be given good ice time and another true shot. I would hate to give up on him, but he absolutely has to step it up this season because this will be his last with us otherwise. I actually really like Goldy. He hasn't complained, and has been pretty classy outwardly to the media. He even completely danced around a reporter's question as to whether or not he feels he has a future in Vancouver. (What a question.) It would be amazing if he managed to find his game - both for our team and for himself. Heck - nothing saying a Goldy-X-Podkolzin line couldn't happen. But with Leivo, Baertschi, Pearson, and Virtanen, he is in tough company to try to secure those final top 6 minutes. Edited June 25, 2019 by kloubek 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustABandwagoner Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Im cheering for Goldy. Would really love to see Goldy - Tryamkin - Pod becoming best buddies 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Virtanen is a no-brainer / keeper who worst case is an excellent complement to Sutter on the shudown line, best case steps up and seizes a role on Horvat's wing. But I can't see where Goldy makes a place for himself on this roster. Miller EP Boeser Pearson Horvat (Baer/Virt/LE/Leivo) Roussel Sutter Virtanen Leivo/Granlund Beagle Motte I give him a not very good chance of taking minutes from Pearson - or earning that 2RW spot. Bottom six he just doesn't cut it. If there were injuries to Baertschi, Pearson, etc - maybe an opening for another shot for Goldy - perhaps they keep him around for that contingency and because he has such creative upside when he is applying himself - but down the stretch last year he just nowhere near maintained the kind of attention to detail without the puck - or the aggressiveness necessary - to stick - and his opportunities are only tightening as this team distills. Tough battle ahead for Goldy - if he's not moved - or if he's even qualified. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 First full seasons here: Goldy 63 GP - 7g 20a 27pts -10 Ice time per game = 14:59 total - 2:33 pp time per game Giveaways 33, takeaways 20 Vey 75 GP - 10g 14a 24pts -3 Ice time per game = 13:10 total - 1:52 pp time per game Giveaways 28, takeaways 25 Fans wanted Vey gone asap - fans want Goldobin to stay. I don't really see much difference other than Goldy getting more opportunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goog16 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I think Jake is doing just fine,he's been progressing every year we've had him.I think it's too early to give up on him,play him tons with better players and see what happens...he's not worth much now if you trade him! Goldobin maybe give him a one last cheap prove yourself or gone contract! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: Im cheering for Goldy. Would really love to see Goldy - Tryamkin - Pod becoming best buddies and Panarin and Bobrovsky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Jake has move to give I think. Goldobin isn't really much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) Goldobin got gifted lots of opportunities last year and not only didn't produce, he didn't put in much of an effort. He's useless in the bottom 6 and there's no room for him in the top 6. He could still put it together, but it won't be here. Virtanen needs to be given his shot in the top 6 now that he's proven to be capable of handling a 3rd line role. Edited June 25, 2019 by King Heffy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Goldy can help our club win reg season games. Virt can help our club win playoff games. Both are important but i am team Virt all the way. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I'm pulling for both of them because they are both young, skilled and great on the budget if they find success. The difference between the two is Virtanen can play through the lineup, Goldy is a top six or bust. Their failures are Virtanen's off season needs to devoted to strength and conditioning and Goldy has got to "grow some" and learn how to play a man's game! Good luck to both of them, their time is now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Where is all this JV developing fine crap coming from? He has looks in the top 6 before or on the pp and he has looked terrible. Goldie has looked good in flashes. Not sure what kind of crack most people are smoking but JV looks terrible and Goldie has his moments. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, oldnews said: Virtanen is a no-brainer / keeper who worst case is an excellent complement to Sutter on the shudown line, best case steps up and seizes a role on Horvat's wing. But I can't see where Goldy makes a place for himself on this roster. Miller EP Boeser Pearson Horvat (Baer/Virt/LE/Leivo) Roussel Sutter Virtanen Leivo/Granlund Beagle Motte I give him a not very good chance of taking minutes from Pearson - or earning that 2RW spot. Bottom six he just doesn't cut it. If there were injuries to Baertschi, Pearson, etc - maybe an opening for another shot for Goldy - perhaps they keep him around for that contingency and because he has such creative upside when he is applying himself - but down the stretch last year he just nowhere near maintained the kind of attention to detail without the puck - or the aggressiveness necessary - to stick - and his opportunities are only tightening as this team distills. Tough battle ahead for Goldy - if he's not moved - or if he's even qualified. it will be tough for him to find a spot, if he's even here. with his skills, he would be best suited for a second line role, & his opportunity might be there. Leivo isn't a 2nd player, LE is a question mark, Rou is out till what, xmas? that leaves baer, but as mentioned, how long will he be healthy? Spooner? Schaller? hmm.. that said, Goldy has glaring holes in his hand that would need to be addressed before any kind of committed time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just goldy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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