[Discussion] Should JB consider MacEwen in the Canuck top 6?

[48MPHSlapShot]

I don't know why Benning was so unprepared for this. We always knew it was coming, and if it wasn't going to hit us this year, it was going to hit us next year even harder. 

 

Besides, the amount of bad contracts on the team are far more stifling than the Luongo recapture penalty. Sure, it's a "kick in the shins", but Eriksson's contract, Sutter's contract and Beagle's contract are what's really killing us. 

[AV.]

Or..

 

He could have been a bit more patient and tried his luck with free-agency first before paying a premium for Miller.

 

JB's so infantile with his decision-making sometimes and then he has the nerve to go "wah wah Luongo ruined our off-season"

 

He should be so &^@#ing happy that the rumoured 8M a year re-capture isn't a thing.  Imagine losing Petey because of it.

[Canucks Curse]

Dzingel is still out there, he will make us better

have to move one of beartschi,. LE or Sutter to make it happen

I would hope JB would just play hard ball with LE and terminate his contract so he can Sogn for league minimum somewhere, I would tell him he is utica bound no mater what, bc honestly I rather have mcewen, goldy, beartschi, sutter, beagle, Gaudette, rousel, leivo, Virtanen, and if Lind or gadjo are good enough and win a spot (which I doubt) I rather have them.

[Canucks Curse]

11 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

Or..

 

He could have been a bit more patient and tried his luck with free-agency first before paying a premium for Miller.

 

JB's so infantile with his decision-making sometimes and then he has the nerve to go "wah wah Luongo ruined our off-season"

 

He should be so &^@#ing happy that the rumoured 8M a year re-capture isn't a thing.  Imagine losing Petey because of it.

pourque?

[Boudrias]

To an extent Benning can wait to move players well into October. The Canucks can even showcase players they want to move. There is always a period where teams adjust their rosters after 15 - 20 games. If Miller is a fixture on 1LW then I can see Sutter being retained. He takes pressure off Horvat in the d-zone FO's. Canucks have to establish the 2nd line as a reliable point producer to make playoffs. 

 

I do expect the Canucks to make playoffs which will be good for the younger players. IMHO this is secondary to development TOI for younger players who have to get NHL experience. The primary purpose to the upcoming season is development and evaluation. Oh ya, making playoffs can force the 1st rdr given up in the Miller trade to go next June instead of 2 years out. Better timing.  

[Jester13]

3 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I don't know why Benning was so unprepared for this. We always knew it was coming, and if it wasn't going to hit us this year, it was going to hit us next year even harder. 

 

Besides, the amount of bad contracts on the team are far more stifling than the Luongo recapture penalty. Sure, it's a "kick in the shins", but Eriksson's contract, Sutter's contract and Beagle's contract are what's really killing us. 

Because no one in the hockey world thought Lu would actually retire instead of going on ltir. He's injured and can't play and this would've qualified for it, like every one else does to help their team (in this case teams), but for some reason he morally decided to retire and we got hit. So it's not that JB wasn't prepared, just that he wasn't expected it. But it happened and he's dealing with it just fine.

 

As for the contracts that you say are hindering us, they are now getting in the way because the stellar play of the likes of Petey and Brock have sped up our rebuild a little unexpectedly. Those contracts were given with a specific timeline in mind, but now that our young guys are stars and transforming our team so quickly, the plan has sped up a little, so now those couple of contracts in hindsight don't look the greatest. The good news is some guys can either be traded or just expire when the time comes and we can move forward. Aside from LE, I still think Beagle and even Sutter (if they can stay healthy) can help us a ton this year. Aside from them, I can't wait until LE's gone haha.

[D.B Cooper]

2 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said:

Or..

 

He could have been a bit more patient and tried his luck with free-agency first before paying a premium for Miller.

 

JB's so infantile with his decision-making sometimes and then he has the nerve to go "wah wah Luongo ruined our off-season"

 

He should be so &^@#ing happy that the rumoured 8M a year re-capture isn't a thing.  Imagine losing Petey because of it.

Second post of yours I’ve read this morning and just shook my head.  

 

First off, he didn’t wine about it. 

This is media speculation.  You sound ridiculous. 

 

There werent many great UFA forwards out there.   Millar fits this team like a glove, and the value was fine.  Does it suck giving up a first?  Of course but you gotta pay to get good players.  

The whiners will shut their mouths about the trade soon enough.   Millar is great. 

 

And in what world would he let Petey go for something like that?   Give your head a shake.   That would be literally the LAST thing that would happen.  

He would probably just bite the bullet and pay a team the draft picks it would take to get rid of Eriksson if it came to that.  

 

Before you go and call someone infantile, take a deep breath, finish your cookie and  clean up your play doh first.  

Edited July 6, 2019 by drummerboy

[Hairy Kneel]

LE should just shake hands and terminate with JB. Those two agreed on something that didn't happen. 

JB should just get him a chunk of whats left money wise and LE should walk. Another NHL team or the SHL would be a fresh start for him.

[D.B Cooper]

1 minute ago, Hairy Kneel said:

LE should just shake hands and terminate with JB. Those two agreed on something that didn't happen. 

JB should just get him a chunk of whats left money wise and LE should walk. Another NHL team or the SHL would be a fresh start for him.

If he terminated his contract, he couldn’t play with another nhl team for 3 years. 

[Hairy Kneel]

24 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

If he terminated his contract, he couldn’t play with another nhl team for 3 years. 

So SHL then. Close to home.

[Dungass]

The only way we get rid of LE is by adding a sweetener exactly like Big Zach in the deal.  Nobody wants to help the Canucks out of this mess for free.  I wouldn't be surprised if teams weren't asking for Gaudette or Madden as well, in any package regarding Tanev or Sutter.  Nothing is free in this league, especially cap space.

[Gaudette Celly]

8 hours ago, -AJ- said:

Honestly, if that penalty made Benning say no to another top 6 forward, then I have even more faith in him. At this point, I'm wary of adding more big deals to our plate. We will have an incredible cap crunch hit us in two years when EP and Hughes need to be re-signed and I'd really like to avoid signing any more long-term deals so we can handle that better than Dubas is having to right now.

Not really, we have a whole lot of contracts ending by then.  Myers is the only dman signed, and aside from the last year of Eriksson (if still here) and Beagle/Roussel at just $3mil each, Bo and Miller are two of the only three forwards still signed, with Boeser as the only big-money contract.  They are well-aware of Petey and Hughes coming up, and mention it all the time.  But yes, being two years out from that they have the opportunity to plan and do it right this time.

[Gaudette Celly]

33 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

LE should just shake hands and terminate with JB. Those two agreed on something that didn't happen. 

JB should just get him a chunk of whats left money wise and LE should walk. Another NHL team or the SHL would be a fresh start for him.

He got almost 1/3 of that 5 days ago.

 

[D.B Cooper]

6 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

So SHL then. Close to home.

For max 500k?   Nahhhh

[theo5789]

I love how the Benning haters just read the title of this and didn't even read the post and just started bashing Benning.

 

With that said, the post doesn't have much to do with the title, so it is misleading.

 

With that also said, MacEwen will get his opportunity to win a spot in camp, it is up to him to earn it. There is an opening and maybe 6 or 7 players that are auditioning for a top 6 spot.

 

As for Benning, before the season even ended, there were questions about addressing our needs in free agency and while majority of people were dreaming about adding a Karlsson or Panarin, Benning had come out and said that we didn't have as much cap space as it may seem. He knew the concerns and didn't want to target a 7+ million dollar top 6 forward, so he acquired a top 6 guy at a good contract. He knew he needed to address the D, which people were asking, he has done that. He knew he needed to add more size, which people were asking for, and he did that. We can still sign Boeser and be under the cap, so he budgeted properly without putting himself in a spot where he needed to dump cap and give up a premium to do so. He knew the Luongo situation was a possibility, but had hoped he would go on LTIR in which he rightfully could have, however his current team wanted him to retire instead. Luongo retiring now was the best case scenario for us aside from going on LTIR. So the only player we may have missed out on is Nyquist because of the rumours and he could've been had for under 6 million too as it appears. Now we will hope a current player shines within our budget (and we have plenty of options), simple as that.

[EB43]

2 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said:

Or..

 

He could have been a bit more patient and tried his luck with free-agency first before paying a premium for Miller.

 

JB's so infantile with his decision-making sometimes and then he has the nerve to go "wah wah Luongo ruined our off-season"

 

He should be so &^@#ing happy that the rumoured 8M a year re-capture isn't a thing.  Imagine losing Petey because of it.

 

[bloodycanuckleheads]

'We don't need [a good NHL player], we can just use [insert random AHL'er here] instead!'

 

^ This is the exact recipe we used to become the worst team in the NHL over a multiple-year period recently!

[stawns]

5 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I don't know why Benning was so unprepared for this. We always knew it was coming, and if it wasn't going to hit us this year, it was going to hit us next year even harder. 

 

Besides, the amount of bad contracts on the team are far more stifling than the Luongo recapture penalty. Sure, it's a "kick in the shins", but Eriksson's contract, Sutter's contract and Beagle's contract are what's really killing us. 

How was he unprepared?  He, in fact, said they knew it was a strong possibility and then Luongo also gave them a heads-up.  

[stawns]

59 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

I love how the Benning haters just read the title of this and didn't even read the post and just started bashing Benning.

 

With that said, the post doesn't have much to do with the title, so it is misleading.

 

With that also said, MacEwen will get his opportunity to win a spot in camp, it is up to him to earn it. There is an opening and maybe 6 or 7 players that are auditioning for a top 6 spot.

 

As for Benning, before the season even ended, there were questions about addressing our needs in free agency and while majority of people were dreaming about adding a Karlsson or Panarin, Benning had come out and said that we didn't have as much cap space as it may seem. He knew the concerns and didn't want to target a 7+ million dollar top 6 forward, so he acquired a top 6 guy at a good contract. He knew he needed to address the D, which people were asking, he has done that. He knew he needed to add more size, which people were asking for, and he did that. We can still sign Boeser and be under the cap, so he budgeted properly without putting himself in a spot where he needed to dump cap and give up a premium to do so. He knew the Luongo situation was a possibility, but had hoped he would go on LTIR in which he rightfully could have, however his current team wanted him to retire instead. Luongo retiring now was the best case scenario for us aside from going on LTIR. So the only player we may have missed out on is Nyquist because of the rumours and he could've been had for under 6 million too as it appears. Now we will hope a current player shines within our budget (and we have plenty of options), simple as that.

A second top 6 fwd was always going to be a gravy move......... something that "could" happen if all the pieces fell into place.  Going into the off season he wanted size (check),  a top 6 fwd (check), a top 4 rhd (check) and d depth (check).  Why anyone would complain about the direction is beyond me.........he accomplished exactly what he set out to do, and more than I expected him to.

[theo5789]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

A second top 6 fwd was always going to be a gravy move......... something that "could" happen if all the pieces fell into place.  Going into the off season he wanted size (check),  a top 6 fwd (check), a top 4 rhd (check) and d depth (check).  Why anyone would complain about the direction is beyond me.........he accomplished exactly what he set out to do, and more than I expected him to.

And to fill that other top 6 spot, we currently have Eriksson, Baertschi, Virtanen, Goldobin, Leivo, Perron, Bailey, MacEwen and even Roussel when he returns. Who knows maybe Motte or Gaudette might even click there. I wouldn't be surprised if we tried Boeser with Pearson and Horvat and maybe giving Virtanen a look with EP and Miller. I like what we have to work with so that losing out on this "extra" top 6 signing isn't all that concerning for me. If any of those guys step up then there simply isn't any missed opportunity here.