The Lock Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Timråfan said: What is so wrong in playing in AHL? He get paid there also and he will probably have more fun. Pretty simple answer to this: it's not the NHL and a lot of older players' careers have pretty much ended once they get sent down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Timråfan said: If I were Green I would have told Petey to not hit so much the first two years. While letting Petey get a few pounds muscles more. Then I think it's great if he walks in the footsteps of Peter Forsberg. That has to be the best thing I've ever read you've post and for once we agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Timråfan said: What is so wrong in playing in AHL? He get paid there also and he will probably have more fun. How many top Swedish players chose to accept demotion to the AHL, after having very good (and financially rewarding) NHL careers? Loui will not be the first. He will retire. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, Timråfan said: What is so wrong in playing in AHL? He get paid there also and he will probably have more fun. Those boys will eat him for breakfast.. have you ever heard the real conversations that take place in the ice.. the AHL will rip apart what’s left of LE mentally.. he will be FaceTiming his wife and kids every night for 2 weeks and then pull the plug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) On 7/7/2019 at 5:35 PM, Arrow 1983 said: The rumour that Eriksson didn't answer Bennings call is complete bs. 1) if their was an issue with Eriksson and the Canucks organization Benning would Call Eriksson's agent 2) if Benning did call Eriksson directly, Eriksson is not required to pick up or talk to Benning. What would happen is Eriksson would call his agent and ask his agent to call Benning, Eriksson could ask his agent to inform Benning tha He ( Eriksson would like all matters to go through his agent). If Benning kept calling Eriksson after Benning has been informed of this Benning could be under the breach of contract 3) the conclusion therefore, is the person who started this rumour was just trying to stir the pot and make headlines. Anyone understanding contract procedure would not breach a contract, therefore Benning as GM and president of an NHL club with a legal department would understand contract procedure. You sound like someone who doesn’t know contract law, or took a first year course pretending to know contract law. Also, literally everything you said was speculation... - You don’t know if LE has done anything like you have invented in your pretend scenario - You don’t know what Benning or the agent has done in your pretend scenario - You don’t know what clauses are in an SPC and what form it takes in Eriksson’s contract. There is no way that an SPC has a blanket clause that allows a player to demand all communication go through their agent. Employers have the right to speak to their employees with few limitations. Communications clauses refer to things like having the right for a representative to be present, or giving certain notice before formal interviews, etc. “Hey Loui, your shift for this P.K.”. “Sorry coach, talk to my agent if you want me on the ice... I have rights!” - You don’t seem to know that contracts in all walks of life get breached in small ways every day, no big deal. There are specific remedies or clauses pertaining to “material breaches” (look it up) in most contracts... that is a different thing. - Any sort of “communication clause” would not be considered by any 3rd party arbitrator or court to constitute a material breach of contract. Your invented scenario and the resulting idea that Benning wouldn’t contact LE is just nonsense. Beyond all of that, contracts are just a codified version of a relationship that you only fall back on if the relationship has failed. If Eriksson has any intention of salvaging his career with the Canucks, returning the phone calls from his boss is in his best interest. The actual contract states that he can be waived and sent to the minors at the whim of his employer. Edited July 10, 2019 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 To the general consensus that LE should and will be sent to the minors .... what can of worms is opened when he has a decent to strong training camp? What does a demotion say to the rest of rest of the team about merit based promotion? Is it believed that he will automatically cave when he comes back in September? Despite the comments, despite the contract he is still easily a 4th line if not top 9 talent. I don't see him "tanking". If the team decides to somehow or someway undermine his ability to show that he still belongs on the 23 man roster what an ugly path to take. What a horrible organizational precident. The public dissection of his performance over the last three years is fair game. I understand the visceral hatred. I just think how this challenge is dealt with will reflect the type of franchise we have here in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 8 hours ago, SilentSam said: Those boys will eat him for breakfast.. have you ever heard the real conversations that take place in the ice.. the AHL will rip apart what’s left of LE mentally.. he will be FaceTiming his wife and kids every night for 2 weeks and then pull the plug. So Loui doesn't know how AHL is? Do you care about what anybody says to you on the ice? I couldn't care less what people say. But, you have just named a real good reason why not send prospects to Utica. Get on the wrong foot with a player/coach in Utica and you can forget about playing in the Canucks. Only the ones accepting the abuse get further. Interesting approach to hockey. Eaten for breakfast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Timråfan said: So Loui doesn't know how AHL is? Do you care about what anybody says to you on the ice? I couldn't care less what people say. But, you have just named a real good reason why not send prospects to Utica. Get on the wrong foot with a player/coach in Utica and you can forget about playing in the Canucks. Only the ones accepting the abuse get further. Interesting approach to hockey. Eaten for breakfast... You seem to care a lot about what people say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: You seem to care a lot about what people say here. I have opinions like everyone else... Why do you bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, Timråfan said: I have opinions like everyone else... Why do you bother? Claiming you don’t care what people say, when you’ve taken the stance that anyone who criticizes a Canucks player online is a bad fan, just struck me as funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 9 hours ago, zimmy said: To the general consensus that LE should and will be sent to the minors .... what can of worms is opened when he has a decent to strong training camp? What does a demotion say to the rest of rest of the team about merit based promotion? Is it believed that he will automatically cave when he comes back in September? Despite the comments, despite the contract he is still easily a 4th line if not top 9 talent. I don't see him "tanking". If the team decides to somehow or someway undermine his ability to show that he still belongs on the 23 man roster what an ugly path to take. What a horrible organizational precident. The public dissection of his performance over the last three years is fair game. I understand the visceral hatred. I just think how this challenge is dealt with will reflect the type of franchise we have here in Vancouver. Rosters get built on more than pure performance, contract status and type of role required also matters. It is also very arguable that Eriksson merits being on the tram based on his performance. Gagner wasn’t the worst performer on the team, he just didn’t fit the role on the bottom half they were trying to build. We have plenty of “defensive players”, Sutter and Beagle beat him for a spot simply by virtue of being able to play centre. If they want energy guys or toughness in that roster spot, LE doesn’t fit. You also don’t get to pretend that each training camp is a fresh slate where you forget what happened in previous years. Three years of poor performance and they don’t owe him any more fresh starts, they don’t even need to bring him to training camp. It won’t reflect badly on the organization at all. The media and ex-player pundits ripped Eriksson for speaking out when his play and effort was so poor. Same again when he had his agent ask publicly for a trade. He always gets listed as one of the worst value contracts in the league. The team has all the moral authority in the world to not have him as part of the roster going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Provost said: Rosters get built on more than pure performance, contract status and type of role required also matters. It is also very arguable that Eriksson merits being on the tram based on his performance. Gagner wasn’t the worst performer on the team, he just didn’t fit the role on the bottom half they were trying to build. We have plenty of “defensive players”, Sutter and Beagle beat him for a spot simply by virtue of being able to play centre. If they want energy guys or toughness in that roster spot, LE doesn’t fit. You also don’t get to pretend that each training camp is a fresh slate where you forget what happened in previous years. Three years of poor performance and they don’t owe him any more fresh starts, they don’t even need to bring him to training camp. It won’t reflect badly on the organization at all. The media and ex-player pundits ripped Eriksson for speaking out when his play and effort was so poor. Same again when he had his agent ask publicly for a trade. He always gets listed as one of the worst value contracts in the league. The team has all the moral authority in the world to not have him as part of the roster going forward. All good points. I still believe the possible divorce from this player needs to be handled with a deft touch and without vitriol or public pronouncements. The fever pitch already established in these forums and in the media are not going to help a smooth "transition" but I suppose in the end it's not going to matter what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 hours ago, HerrDrFunk said: Claiming you don’t care what people say, when you’ve taken the stance that anyone who criticizes a Canucks player online is a bad fan, just struck me as funny. I'm not sure what you're talking about. I criticize players. But I don't talk $&!# about them... It's a big difference between criticizing and being an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/7/2019 at 6:09 PM, Arrow 1983 said: In contract terms we call this scenarios or possiblities or examples if you read the CBA you would notice a lot of them Food for thought: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Timråfan said: I'm not sure what you're talking about. I criticize players. But I don't talk $&!# about them... It's a big difference between criticizing and being an asshole. Maybe you're just extra sensitive to criticism since you seem to view any criticism towards a Swedish player as talking $&!#? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 13 hours ago, Timråfan said: So Loui doesn't know how AHL is? Do you care about what anybody says to you on the ice? I couldn't care less what people say. But, you have just named a real good reason why not send prospects to Utica. Get on the wrong foot with a player/coach in Utica and you can forget about playing in the Canucks. Only the ones accepting the abuse get further. Interesting approach to hockey. Eaten for breakfast... Keep your subscription for watching Eriksson play in the Swedish Elite League this season... His replacement has arrived.. https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/vancouver-canucks-micheal-ferland/c-308230376 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Loui won't be sent down but he may have to get used to being a healthy scratch until the injury bug hits. That in it's self may be enough to send Loui packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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