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1 minute ago, gurn said:

This was so good, but that looks a lot like Brandon Lee, might just be the hair though.

Bruce or Brandon would have done a fine job in the trilogy.

The algorithm stretches the fake face over the original. Its Bruce, on Keanu, which looks like Brandon at times.

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1 hour ago, gurn said:

This was so good, but that looks a lot like Brandon Lee, might just be the hair though.

Bruce or Brandon would have done a fine job in the trilogy.

Forgive me as I don't claim to be anything more than a casual fan of the genre but it seems in the few movies Bruce Lee made, they more or less were grounded in reality (eg., unlike the Matrix trilogy).  That beyond reality stuff works with that 'wire-fu' stuff but Bruce Lee's movies (yeah there were some wire work done) seemed to me like the Nolan Batman movies (where you could believe some of the things he did were possible in today's reality).  Like Jackie Chan movies, were you know he 'does his own stunts'.  Doesn't require as much 'suspension of belief' (granted, his movies don't tend to get too 'heavy' heh)..  Course, he only did three movies (not mentioned Game of Death which he never finished & only another person to a hack job on 'finishing it off').

 

Sorry for the rather sloppy analysis (as I hope you understand where I'm going with this heh.....).

 

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27 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Forgive me as I don't claim to be anything more than a casual fan of the genre but it seems in the few movies Bruce Lee made, they more or less were grounded in reality (eg., unlike the Matrix trilogy).  That beyond reality stuff works with that 'wire-fu' stuff but Bruce Lee's movies (yeah there were some wire work done) seemed to me like the Nolan Batman movies (where you could believe some of the things he did were possible in today's reality).  Like Jackie Chan movies, were you know he 'does his own stunts'.  Doesn't require as much 'suspension of belief' (granted, his movies don't tend to get too 'heavy' heh)..  Course, he only did three movies (not mentioned Game of Death which he never finished & only another person to a hack job on 'finishing it off').

 

Sorry for the rather sloppy analysis (as I hope you understand where I'm going with this heh.....).

 

Jackie Chan movies are fantastic, including the out takes at the end of the show.

Maybe with Bruce as the lead the director doesn't need as much cgi? Or in the intervening 26 years between his death and the original matrix he might approve of the same use of cgi as fitting for a sci/fi movie.?

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22 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

This is insane. What is the endgame for the people proliferating the deepfakes? Some people clearly have way too much time on their hands.

The same reason why people photoshop stuff.  

 

(I have no idea why).  

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22 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

This is insane. What is the endgame for the people proliferating the deepfakes? Some people clearly have way too much time on their hands.

$$ and control... Look how easily the masses are duped right now (both sides of the political spectrum). Its just taking it to the next level. 

 

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On 7/29/2019 at 3:37 PM, PhillipBlunt said:

This is insane. What is the endgame for the people proliferating the deepfakes? Some people clearly have way too much time on their hands.

I see the end of the free internet as we know it coming because of this stuff. 

Its only a matter of time before there is some kind of high stakes international political crisis over this stuff.


And the fallout will be biometric logins for internet licences or some garbage.

 

Wildwest of the net is just about over...

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I wonder if this will bring back the idea of real film again, this time with a physical method of ensuring that is both authentic and unaltered? 

 

You also have to know hollywood is going to milk this with dead actors and give us films that never should have been made, and not have to pay anyone. 

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Now the police are faking pictures of suspects:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/witnesses-said-a-bank-robber-didnt-have-facial-tattoos-so-police-digitally-altered-a-suspects-mugshot/ar-AAG1jiX?ocid=spartandhp

 

Witnesses said a bank robber didn’t have facial tattoos. So police digitally altered a suspect’s mugshot.

 
 
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a close up of a man: Prosecutors have said the move was necessary because Tyrone Lamont Allen could have been wearing makeup. But his attorney argues that admitting the evidence could have worrisome implications.Prosecutors have said the move was necessary because Tyrone Lamont Allen could have been wearing makeup. But his attorney argues that admitting the evidence could have worrisome implications.

It would be hard to miss Tyrone Lamont Allen’s facial tattoos.

The 50-year-old’s forehead is covered in delicate script, reaching from his eyebrows to his hairline. A single teardrop appears under his left eye, while his right cheek is unmistakably inked with a looping design.

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So when authorities got a tip that Allen was behind a string of bank and credit union robberies in Portland, Ore., in April 2017, there was one major problem: None of the tellers had mentioned seeing any tattoos on the robber’s face. Surveillance footage, too, showed a man with no visible tattoos.

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Yet, Allen was charged with the crime — after police took an unusual step. As the Oregonian first reported Friday, investigators used Photoshop to digitally alter his mug shot, covering up his distinctive tattoos. Two of the tellers, who weren’t told that the image had been edited, subsequently picked him out of a photo array of five similar-looking men and identified him as the robber.

Now, a federal judge in Oregon is tasked with determining whether that crucial evidence should be thrown out of court, and whether Allen’s rights were violated. His attorney, Mark Ahlemeyer, argued that the question has weighty implications, given that today’s technology makes it easier than ever to manipulate a photograph.

If covering up a suspect’s prominent facial tattoos is considered fair game, the federal public defender wrote in a recent motion, “there would presumably be nothing wrong with adjusting various pixels to make someone’s face appear slimmer, so long as the government’s theory was that the suspect had gained weight since the crime.”

Allen faces three counts of robbery and one count of attempted robbery, all stemming from holdups that took place in northeast Portland in early April 2017. The culprit, nicknamed the “Foul Mouth Bandit” by police because of his frequent use of profanity, made trips to four banks and credit unions over the course of four days, each time claiming that he had a gun and demanding cash. All but one of the tellers complied, and the robber ultimately walked off with more than $14,000.

That same month, Allen was arrested after police stopped him on the freeway for driving a car with no license plates, headlights or taillights. According to a criminal complaint filed in the U.S. District Court of Oregon in May 2017, officers found a glass pipe inside his pocket. Another pipe, which appeared to have drug residue on it, was underneath the driver’s seat.

Later, police got a call from a tipster who knew Allen through a mutual friend, and asked to remain anonymous for his safety. The tipster said that his friend had shown him Allen’s mug shot, along with surveillance footage of the serial bank robber that appeared on KPTV. His head “immediately started spinning,” he said, explaining that the robber looked just like Allen, but without the tattoos.

Though one of the tellers had mentioned seeing faded tattoos on the robber’s neck, and another had noticed tattoos on his hand, none had described him with any ink on his face. Investigators subsequently used Photoshop to paint over Allen’s tattoos, and showed them to the tellers in a double-blind lineup, court filings say. According to the criminal complaint, only two of the four tellers identified Allen as the robber — one picked a different man from the lineup, while another was unable to decide.

Police also searched the car that Allen had been driving when he was arrested, which was full of clothing and looked like he had been living in it. They found several black hooded sweatshirts, two pairs of gray sweatpants, one pair of burgundy sweatpants, and a gray ski mask, which they said matched the clothing that the “Foul Mouth Bandit” had been wearing during two recent robberies.

Last month, when Allen’s attorney discovered that his client’s mug shot had been digitally manipulated before it was added to a lineup, he filed a motion to have the evidence thrown out of court. In response, prosecutors argued that the robber’s “immutable facial features” looked enough like Allen’s to justify adding him to the photo array, noting that he could have put on makeup before committing the robberies.

Allen “should not reap a windfall because the investigators were able to take steps to counteract his efforts to disguise his identity,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul T. Maloney wrote. By using Photoshop to paint over Allen’s tattoos, he argued, investigators simply “applied the digital equivalent of makeup."

Police have also justified the controversial move by arguing that Allen’s tattoos could have been distracting to witnesses tasked with picking out the culprit from a photo lineup. During a Wednesday hearing, Portland Police Detective Brett Hawkinson testified that the point of altering the mug shot was to “mask things that would stand out,” the Oregonian reported.

Ahlemeyer, the defense attorney, claimed the Photoshop job had a different motivation: It made his client look more like the perpetrator. Admitting the results into evidence could be a “slippery slope,” he argued.

“If a witness reports that a perpetrator did not have any front teeth, can the government simply black out a suspect’s teeth on the theory that it could be done with cosmetics?” he wrote. “Or if a suspect’s skin color is too dark or too light as compared to objective video evidence, can the government simply press a few strokes on a computer keyboard and adjust the color to match that objective evidence?”

Those questions largely haven’t been tested in court before, but Allen apparently isn’t the only one whose mug shot was digitally altered by the Portland Police Bureau. According to the Oregonian, Mark Weber, the forensic criminalist who “painted over the tattoos,” testified that he had edited other suspects’ photos for lineups before, and didn’t write up a report because the police department doesn’t require it.

U.S. District Judge Marco A. Hernandez said that he plans to issue a written ruling on the issue soon, the paper reported.

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The fact that deep fakes are entertaining is enough for people to overlook how dangerous this really is. As long as they're buzzed on the entertainment value, people don't care.

 

Just look at social media and how easily and the speed at which people were willing to part with their privacy in order to be validated. 

 

People should be angry about this ... really angry. But look, it's so cool. Isn't it cool what they can do. Just like Tech Geeks have been saying for 20 years and walking us all off a cliff without any restraint.

 

 

 

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